MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[MettaWorldPanda]

I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.

Yeah i’m puzzled at the suggestion of Allen. Cavs are going to resign him anyway. The big market for us is Markkannen, Portis, Theis, Ibaka, and Kaminsky. These are the Center/PF’s that are playable with Bam. Now if we go for more of a pure stretch PF we are looking at Gay, JaMychal Green, and Lyles.

Pat has always liked his big men. JA is a legit big man. The Cavs will put an effort into resigning him, but how much will they be willing to invest?

I think your vision is a bit limited with Bam. He is not a paint big. He's a high post guy. Imagine if he would have taken the 100 plus open 15 footers he was given in the Bucks series. He can absolutely make that shot. Does he absolutely have to have a 7 footer shooting 3 pointers next to him? Or could he also play with a big who can rebound his misses?

Agreed. I just don’t think Allen is in the cards. Cavs traded for him as a building block.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I mean would it really shock anyone if Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry are in our starting lineup next year? Both are super close and have played together with the Grizz and Raps. Jimmy brings in Lowry and Lowry brings in Gay to slide into PF spot.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think they'd work well together. JA is a simple man. However, he has a definitive skill set that translates to winning basketball. Bam is more of a basketball artist whose potential has yet to be unlocked. Bam can be really good, but he needs a post partner to help bring out his best assets.

I like Allen but seriously doubt we make an aggressive enough play that Cavs won’t match.

I've already responded to that same question, but how much do you think the Cavs will invest?

Enough to match any offer we make unless we max him out which i highly doubt. Restricted free agents are tough to snag and in most cases must highly over pay.

[AirP.]

Unfortunately he's just too soft for me. Always hurt. Always playing with a lingering injury, or sitting out games.

For that money and a similar impact/fit I'd rather have John Collins.

John Collins is not an option. Collins has to become an option for one to say rather. I rather have Durant. Porzingis being publicly disgruntled for a while now and the fact that the Mavs, did shop him before the trade deadline makes him a reasonable option. And Porzingis asked to be traded to Miami once before.

Collins, Lillard and Leonard are not options. Players that fans would like but there never been any indications that they will be on the market to move. Sure if one of those players make it known that they want to be moved to Miami, then it will be an option.

So Collins, Lillard, and Leonard aren't options, even though 2 of the 3 will be free agents this off-season, but KP is an option since he's disgruntled.........because you say so? Lol. Sounds like something LEIF would say.

No offense, but YOU don't make the criteria. People can talk about whatever "options" they'd like. I don't know who you think you are to determine what players are "options" and what players are not.

They probably aren't going to be available because of their situations.

Collins is a RFA, yes Atlanta would like to pay less for him but at this point they can't let him go, they have other contracts they're going to be able to move if they need space under the tax.

Leonard did the LeBron move with the 2+1 contract so he'll be able to hold the Clipper's hostage with his free agency to get them to do his bidding. If he wants George moved they'll move him. If LA fails to win a championship this year, I could absolutely see them going after Lowry themselves with some expiring's and a young player or draft asset(or draft for Toronto this season and then trading that player and expirings).

Lillard is everything for Portland and they just fired their coach to take one more shot with their roster in hopes a different style will get a better result. If anything it'll keep their fans hopeful and if they end up getting D'Antoni they'll get to see Lillard in the Harden role and possibly push his value even higher if they decide to move him next year.

[DayofMourning]

I mean would it really shock anyone if Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry are in our starting lineup next year? Both are super close and have played together with the Grizz and Raps. Jimmy brings in Lowry and Lowry brings in Gay to slide into PF spot.

If we sign Rudy Gay to be our PF, I might punch somebody.

[twix2500]

Going to have to come up with some different rumors brehs. Put Lillard to bed.

I'd be happy with Derrick Rose as our point to be honest. He's older, but he's gotten to be pretty efficient.

Add Rose and Jarrett Allen (need another poster on the JA bandwagon) and I feel like we've done pretty well within the constraints of our team building approach.

I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.

Cavs are going to resign him anyway. The big market for us is Markkannen, Portis, Theis, Ibaka, and Kaminsky. These are the Center/PF’s that are playable with Bam. Now if we go for more of a pure stretch PF we are looking at Gay, JaMychal Green, and Lyles.

I can see Ibaka as trade option if the Heat get Lowry

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[DayofMourning]

I like Allen but seriously doubt we make an aggressive enough play that Cavs won’t match.

I've already responded to that same question, but how much do you think the Cavs will invest?

Enough to match any offer we make unless we max him out which i highly doubt. Restricted free agents are tough to snag and in most cases must highly over pay.

A max would be too much. I'd pay as much as $25 million per year for him if I were the GM. Call me crazy, but I'd bet on our perimeter boys being much better with his addition.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I mean would it really shock anyone if Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry are in our starting lineup next year? Both are super close and have played together with the Grizz and Raps. Jimmy brings in Lowry and Lowry brings in Gay to slide into PF spot.

If we sign Rudy Gay to be our PF, I might punch somebody.

Not out the realm of possibility considering what’s out there. At very least could be the backup PF. He’s tight with Lowry and considering our desperate need at the 4 he would seem like an affordable option.

[DayofMourning]

I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.

Cavs are going to resign him anyway. The big market for us is Markkannen, Portis, Theis, Ibaka, and Kaminsky. These are the Center/PF’s that are playable with Bam. Now if we go for more of a pure stretch PF we are looking at Gay, JaMychal Green, and Lyles.

I can see Ibaka as trade option if the Heat get Lowry

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I'm down with Ibaka as well.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I've already responded to that same question, but how much do you think the Cavs will invest?

Enough to match any offer we make unless we max him out which i highly doubt. Restricted free agents are tough to snag and in most cases must highly over pay.

A max would be too much. I'd pay as much as $25 million per year for him if I were the GM. Call me crazy, but I'd bet on our perimeter boys being much better with his addition.

https://cavaliersnation.com/2021/05/16/report-nba-agent-says-jarrett-allen-could-draw-contract-at-around-25-million-per-year/

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Rudy Gay isn't old or small enough to be our starting PF

[MettaWorldPanda]

Cavs are going to resign him anyway. The big market for us is Markkannen, Portis, Theis, Ibaka, and Kaminsky. These are the Center/PF’s that are playable with Bam. Now if we go for more of a pure stretch PF we are looking at Gay, JaMychal Green, and Lyles.

I can see Ibaka as trade option if the Heat get Lowry

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I'm down with Ibaka as well.

Ibaka is another that can follow Lowry here with Gay.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Wonder what Richaun Holmes would cost. He's an UFA and I doubt he would be all that heartbroken to leave Sacramento lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.

Cavs are going to resign him anyway. The big market for us is Markkannen, Portis, Theis, Ibaka, and Kaminsky. These are the Center/PF’s that are playable with Bam. Now if we go for more of a pure stretch PF we are looking at Gay, JaMychal Green, and Lyles.

I can see Ibaka as trade option if the Heat get Lowry

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Trade option? He has a player option. He’ll be a free agent. We might have to throw mid level at him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Rudy Gay isn't old or small enough to be our starting PF

I think we tried hard to get him at the deadline. Always seems like a target for us. If Lowry comes i feel like without a doubt Gay follows him here.

[DayofMourning]

Rudy Gay isn't old or small enough to be our starting PF

He's 35. Think he fits right into the Iggy/Ariza timeline.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Rudy Gay isn't old or small enough to be our starting PF

He's 35. Think he fits right into the Iggy/Ariza timeline.

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/03/19/miami-heat-tried-to-trade-for-rudy-gay-from-spurs/

Just some insight. Internally the organization wanted Gay at the deadline but looks like the Spurs were playing hard ball. This made us have to settle for Ariza. If Gay does come here I only view him as a 20 minute a night spot starter/backup PF.

[DayofMourning]

Rudy Gay isn't old or small enough to be our starting PF

He's 35. Think he fits right into the Iggy/Ariza timeline.

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/03/19/miami-heat-tried-to-trade-for-rudy-gay-from-spurs/

Just some insight. Internally the organization wanted Gay at the deadline but looks like the Spurs were playing hard ball. This made us have to settle for Ariza. If Gay does come here I only view him as a 20 minute a night spot starter/backup PF.

Don't think we're close enough to sign tweener forwards when we've got Precious and KZ who need the opportunity.

[MettaWorldPanda]

He's 35. Think he fits right into the Iggy/Ariza timeline.

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/03/19/miami-heat-tried-to-trade-for-rudy-gay-from-spurs/

Just some insight. Internally the organization wanted Gay at the deadline but looks like the Spurs were playing hard ball. This made us have to settle for Ariza. If Gay does come here I only view him as a 20 minute a night spot starter/backup PF.

Don't think we're close enough to sign tweener forwards when we've got Precious and KZ who need the opportunity.

Gay would serve as a veteran bridge to those players. Rudy is not that small at 6'8 250. I can't get over the fact at how useless KZ was last year. Hoping he gets dealt this offseason TBH.

[Slot Machine]

I really don’t want Rudy Gay