Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

C C Wood(stretch 5) 6’10 C D Dedmon 7’0 C UD 6’8
PF B Adebayo 6’9 PF PJ Tucker 6’5 PF/C M Morris 6’9
SF J Butler 6’7 SF C Martin 6’5 SF D Nwaba 6’5
SG T Herro 6’5 SG V Oladipo 6’4 SG/SF M Strus 6’5
PG K Lowry 6’1 PG G Vincent 6’3 PG K Guy 6’1

After Wood trade this depth chart is deep and ready for a chip. The bench defense is pure violence

I’m starting Strus and cutting either Gabe or Dedmon out of the rotation

[Zasterror]

I trust our organization to polish a guy like Wood if he ever comes here. Yeah, he has defensive inefficiencies but a guy with his talent and size can be groomed correctly. Hell, we all thought Whiteside was an good defender in his first couple of years. I don't really want to jump ship off of Robinson though...at least not yet. This is a long season where anything can happened, we need all the depth we can get even though it seems we have plentiful.

[MorbidHEAT]

AirP, 5 Reasons said there was a 90% chance Herro gets moved last offseason..they dont know ****. Dipo was dying to come to Miami for years, he’ll be here as long as the team wants to have him.

I doubt it. They are way too high on him for that to move him for anybody other than a real difference maker. They certainly wouldn't move him to make room for a Dipo salary. They would probably move Duncan to make room for Herro and Dipo if they had to, since we don't have expiring contracts.

[MorbidHEAT]

My guess is Gabe is the first one to fall out of the rotation.

dipo has yet to prove himself. it would be a slap in the face to the gabe now that he's playing well

I agree. Gabe has been playing a whole lot better recently. He's up to 44% from the field and 38% from three after having a horrid shooting start to the year. He's become a very stable option at point for us.

He isn't set in the rotation. They wouldn't have signed Kyle Guy if he was.

[DayofMourning]

dipo has yet to prove himself. it would be a slap in the face to the gabe now that he's playing well

I agree. Gabe has been playing a whole lot better recently. He's up to 44% from the field and 38% from three after having a horrid shooting start to the year. He's become a very stable option at point for us.

He isn't set in the rotation. They wouldn't have signed Kyle Guy if he was.

Is that what signing Guy meant? I figure having a 35 year old point who's likely going to miss some games (see exhibit A) with no other point guard on the roster other than Gabe might suggest signing a two way.

[oreon]

AirP, 5 Reasons said there was a 90% chance Herro gets moved last offseason..they dont know ****. Dipo was dying to come to Miami for years, he’ll be here as long as the team wants to have him.

I doubt it. They are way too high on him for that to move him for anybody other than a real difference maker. They certainly wouldn't move him to make room for a Dipo salary. They would probably move Duncan to make room for Herro and Dipo if they had to, since we don't have expiring contracts.

Agree, that makes no sense. Going foward Herro is likely to be signficantly better than Dipo. We can't assume Dipo is ever going back to that one great year where he was an allstar. I think teams would be hesitant to committ any long term salaries. Guys who had multiple significant injuries tend to get hurt again, Kawhi is a recent example.

But the tax going forward will be an issue. Herro is restricted at the end of next season and so are Yurt, Caleb and Struss. It's going to be hard to keep everyone with Butler's massive deal. I think it's almost certain Duncan gets moved in the offseason but I think it would be an expiring to give the team more leeway.

[AirP.]

Anyone have access to Mark Stein's substack? We've heard it before but wonder if there's new info on that situation. Have heard Wall much like Dragic are working out on their own in Miami.

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[dshearn]

Anyone have access to Mark Stein's substack? We've heard it before but wonder if there's new info on that situation. Have heard Wall much like Dragic are working out on their own in Miami.

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I don't love Wall, but if the Heat are spamming dribble hand offs out side Wall can attack the basket in a blink of the eye. Wall would have a massive effect on Tucker's corner 3 and Bam's mid-range jumper.

[twix2500]

Anyone have access to Mark Stein's substack? We've heard it before but wonder if there's new info on that situation. Have heard Wall much like Dragic are working out on their own in Miami.

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I don't love Wall, but if the Heat are spamming dribble hand offs out side Wall can attack the basket in a blink of the eye. Wall would have a massive effect on Tucker's corner 3 and Bam's mid-range jumper.

Unless the Heat about make a big package trade.

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[AirP.]

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Anyone have access to Mark Stein's substack? We've heard it before but wonder if there's new info on that situation. Have heard Wall much like Dragic are working out on their own in Miami.

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I don't love Wall, but if the Heat are spamming dribble hand offs out side Wall can attack the basket in a blink of the eye. Wall would have a massive effect on Tucker's corner 3 and Bam's mid-range jumper.

Unless the Heat about make a big package trade.

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This is about him being a buyout candidate which he's not giving up money, if you can come up with enough money to match what he'd giving up this year and next I'm sure he'd be fine taking a buyout.

[twix2500]

Spoiler:

I don't love Wall, but if the Heat are spamming dribble hand offs out side Wall can attack the basket in a blink of the eye. Wall would have a massive effect on Tucker's corner 3 and Bam's mid-range jumper.

Unless the Heat about make a big package trade.

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This is about him being a buyout candidate which he's not giving up money, if you can come up with enough money to match what he'd giving up this year and next I'm sure he'd be fine taking a buyout.

That was considering picking him up via buyout. Like you said he is not interested in losing money. So the Rockets would have to buy him out completely. Which I'm pretty sure will not happen.

And if they did, the only way Heat would be interested is if they did a package deal in a separate trade thought would open up a roster spot at PG.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yea if Wall comes it won’t be this season unfortunately.

[heatwillbeback]

Wall has so much money left on that deal. Unless he accepts a huge paycut, the Rockets have no reason to buy him out. And he has zero reason to accept the paycut.

And to be honest, I don't respect him for the mutual decision for him to sit out this year. He should be doing everything he can to get on that court and show he still could play at a high level. Instead, he has sat at home and who knows what shape he is in physically.

Before the year, I would have been excited (even though its still unlikely with the buyout). With Gabe doing his thing, I don't really care anymore.

[dshearn]

Unless the Heat about make a big package trade.

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This is about him being a buyout candidate which he's not giving up money, if you can come up with enough money to match what he'd giving up this year and next I'm sure he'd be fine taking a buyout.

That was considering picking him up via buyout. Like you said he is not interested in losing money. So the Rockets would have to buy him out completely. Which I'm pretty sure will not happen.

And if they did, the only way Heat would be interested is if they did a package deal in a separate trade thought would open up a roster spot at PG.

I don't think ANYONE wants that contract unless they are giving up something else of real value to move Wall....


Like Twix said, i am sure we are interested in Wall if he is removed from that contract.

I dont even want Wall to be honest, I am kind in the same boat as HWBB. We don't need him, and who knows what shape he is in with that much time off.

You could really make him fit the Heat offense though. Hard to completely vacate the paint when guys like Wall can attack the paint in a blink of an eye... fastest player I have ever watched play.

[AirP.]

Unless the Heat about make a big package trade.

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This is about him being a buyout candidate which he's not giving up money, if you can come up with enough money to match what he'd giving up this year and next I'm sure he'd be fine taking a buyout.

That was considering picking him up via buyout. Like you said he is not interested in losing money. So the Rockets would have to buy him out completely. Which I'm pretty sure will not happen.

And if they did, the only way Heat would be interested is if they did a package deal in a separate trade thought would open up a roster spot at PG.

They wouldn't have to buy him out completely but possibly not much of a discount, Wall can expect he'll get at least a vet minimum so there's around 4 million you can remove from his money owed.

I expect Wall to stay with Houston until the summer where I'd think Houston would want Wall's agent to look to see what he could get elsewhere if he were a free agent and try to take off a percentage of that money to agree to a buyout, let Wall somewhat double dip while Houston gets to save some dough. I have to believe some contender would like to add Wall for the full midlevel to sure up a weak staring PG position or have a strong scoring PG coming off the bench. It's quite possible he'd start on a few possible contenders, like Philly, either LA team, Dallas, NY or add him to NO with BI and a healthy Zion.

[AirP.]

I dont even want Wall to be honest, I am kind in the same boat as HWBB. We don't need him, and who knows what shape he is in with that much time off.

I bet Miami knows what shape he's in since he's in Miami currently working out on his own.

I think Miami is interested in him for just this season, I expect to see Dragic back with a "hometown" discount this summer to try to get him a ring with Miami. Yes, Dragic will be getting up there in age but by the looks of it, he may have just had a year where he just worked on his game and didn't have to deal with the wear and tear of the season.

Although I like this year's team, I'm excited to see what Miami ends up having at the start of next season, I think a couple of changes are coming!

[balla345]

ehh not to sure about Wall. Gabe has played another level this year I think he would be okay as a back up. We even have a few guys that can play backup PG. Rather we focus on a PF which is our biggest need.

[twix2500]

ehh not to sure about Wall. Gabe has played another level this year I think he would be okay as a back up. We even have a few guys that can play backup PG. Rather we focus on a PF which is our biggest need.

Not picking him up as currently constructed. I think next season would be the time to talk about it

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[3ballbomber]

I agree. Gabe has been playing a whole lot better recently. He's up to 44% from the field and 38% from three after having a horrid shooting start to the year. He's become a very stable option at point for us.

The issue now comes who gets benched? Oladipo if looking healthy will probably be eased in with about 15-18 minutes a game. Where do those minutes come from? I feel like Gabe has etched himself into the rotation as the backup PG. Herro undoubtedly will be getting starters minutes upwards in the 30 minute range. You run into a situation now that Oladipo, Strus, Martin and Robinson are now fighting for minutes as the backup 2 and 3 for 4 players. I know most fawn about Herro coming off the bench but I guarantee you he wants to start deep down inside. If we trade Robinson for a 4 then we can insert Herro into the starting lineup and have Oladipo as the mircowave off the bench.

Duncan's deficiencies on D could likely get him moved, especially looking at the roster crunch. There's just no way you can vote for Duncan over Martin this year. Martin has been a two way wonder for us. Strus has been as well. You can't not give those two minutes.

People still don't understand the importance of what Duncan's presence does for this team. Spo's only been stating it publicly all season as he continues his support even through the slump. He's currently having a fantastic stretch & people still want him gone

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