Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back

[inhabitMiami]

Some of yall need to get off the gas talking about unloading Herro for picks and salary dumps. Herro will get moved for real players, dudes who can start and contribute to this team.

[Vertical Limit]

Read on Twitter

Here's an interesting post I hadn't seen.

Beal only going to accept to go to PHX if the package is CP3 and Shamat's 3yr 10mil deal.

Kinda feels like we should have this locked up with Lowry, Robinson, FRP and a swap or maybe less.

Washington would be dumb to take PHX's deal just to save 15mil and not get any assets back for Beal.

Washingtons position may be to take the least amount of salary back.. they dont want herro, they dont want ayton, those are awful contracts and theyre trying to get rid of their own awful contract in Beal and dump it to phoenix or miami.

Theyre also dealing with teams that dont have much draft assets. This is purely a salary dump move and i get it from the Wizards perspective.. they performed just about the same with or without Beal. Theyre no where closer to the postseason with him than they were without him.

[IceColdCubano]

Please let this get done in our favor today. Really want this resolved before the draft so we can potentially keep building through draft day trades.

Its going to get done prior the draft for sure. Wiz arent going to let the bidders walk into the draft and spend their caufers.

[ShulaDon92]

Read on Twitter

Here's an interesting post I hadn't seen.

Beal only going to accept to go to PHX if the package is CP3 and Shamat's 3yr 10mil deal.

Kinda feels like we should have this locked up with Lowry, Robinson, FRP and a swap or maybe less.

Washington would be dumb to take PHX's deal just to save 15mil and not get any assets back for Beal.

Washingtons position may be to take the least amount of salary back.. they dont want herro, they dont want ayton, those are awful contracts and theyre trying to get rid of their own awful contract in Beal and dump it to phoenix or miami.

Theyre also dealing with teams that dont have much draft assets. This is purely a salary dump move and i get it from the Wizards perspective.. they performed just about the same with or without Beal. Theyre no where closer to the postseason with him than they were without him.

Herros is not an awful contract, that's a troll right there lol

-SHULA

[Lennyzinho]

Read on Twitter

Here's an interesting post I hadn't seen.

Beal only going to accept to go to PHX if the package is CP3 and Shamat's 3yr 10mil deal.

Kinda feels like we should have this locked up with Lowry, Robinson, FRP and a swap or maybe less.

Washington would be dumb to take PHX's deal just to save 15mil and not get any assets back for Beal.

Washingtons position may be to take the least amount of salary back.. they dont want herro, they dont want ayton, those are awful contracts and theyre trying to get rid of their own awful contract in Beal and dump it to phoenix or miami.

Theyre also dealing with teams that dont have much draft assets. This is purely a salary dump move and i get it from the Wizards perspective.. they performed just about the same with or without Beal. Theyre no where closer to the postseason with him than they were without him.

Herros is not an awful contract, that's a troll right there lol

-SHULA

Agreed. Ayton is a pretty bad deal. Not many teams if any want to touch that. Poole has less value than herro and even the warriors are getting interest for Poole and kuminga. Herro deal isn't amazing or anything but it's definitely a contract and player that carries some value. Wizards don't want ANYONE that carries salary past this year. They want a full rebuild. And no one is sending a top 20-30 player for Beal. Even Duncan after these playoffs and another year down, have a hard time believing its a terrible contract.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

-IF- and thats a big if, it's true that Beal wants Phoenix over Miami...

all my hype for that dude is gone. what a loser. Phoenix makes no sense for phoenix or Beal as a team. Miami is the perfect fit.

[Flash4thewin]

Please let this get done in our favor today. Really want this resolved before the draft so we can potentially keep building through draft day trades.

Its going to get done prior the draft for sure. Wiz arent going to let the bidders walk into the draft and spend their caufers.

Normally I would agree, but we are just talking about the 18th pick here. If it was a top pick I get it, but it's the 18th. All things being equal or close the Wiz want Beal out of the conference, let alone in the same division.

[Vertical Limit]

Read on Twitter

Here's an interesting post I hadn't seen.

Beal only going to accept to go to PHX if the package is CP3 and Shamat's 3yr 10mil deal.

Kinda feels like we should have this locked up with Lowry, Robinson, FRP and a swap or maybe less.

Washington would be dumb to take PHX's deal just to save 15mil and not get any assets back for Beal.

Washingtons position may be to take the least amount of salary back.. they dont want herro, they dont want ayton, those are awful contracts and theyre trying to get rid of their own awful contract in Beal and dump it to phoenix or miami.

Theyre also dealing with teams that dont have much draft assets. This is purely a salary dump move and i get it from the Wizards perspective.. they performed just about the same with or without Beal. Theyre no where closer to the postseason with him than they were without him.

Herros is not an awful contract, that's a troll right there lol

-SHULA

Probably one of the worst contracts in the NBA for many reasons stated repeatedly. We owned ourselves by not letting him reach RFA this offseason to get an offer sheet, which many teams in the NBA do all the time. The Suns did it to Ayton and owe him less money than they would have if they just extended beforehand. Herro would have received a contract offer somewhere around 4 years 90 million. What would be his first year number, 17 million?

And then you match that offer sheet. Instead we tied ourselves up to 27 million on its first year and we are now trying to figure out how the hell do we move that contract should we get Beal or Dame. Because we are not going to be paying 70 million on one position.

Awful contract, awful cap management. We would have a different conversation right now about our tax issues if we didnt give him that deal, on a season Herro regressed by the way.

Not to mention he is a revolving door defensively and inefficient as hell. Would we even need to pursue a guard right now if Herro was worth a damn?

[ShulaDon92]

Washingtons position may be to take the least amount of salary back.. they dont want herro, they dont want ayton, those are awful contracts and theyre trying to get rid of their own awful contract in Beal and dump it to phoenix or miami.

Theyre also dealing with teams that dont have much draft assets. This is purely a salary dump move and i get it from the Wizards perspective.. they performed just about the same with or without Beal. Theyre no where closer to the postseason with him than they were without him.

Herros is not an awful contract, that's a troll right there lol

-SHULA

Probably one of the worst contracts in the NBA for many reasons stated repeatedly. We owned ourselves by not letting him reach RFA this offseason to get an offer sheet, which many teams in the NBA do all the time. He would have received a contract offer somewhere around 4 years 90 million. What would be his first year number, 17 million?

And then you match that offer sheet. Instead we tied ourselves up to 27 million on its first year and we are now trying to figure out how the hell do we move that contract should we get Beal or Dame. Because we are not going to be paying 70 million on one position.

Awful contract, awful cap management. We would have a different conversation right now about our tax issues if we didnt give him that deal, on a season Herro regressed by the way.

Not to mention he is a revolving door defensively and inefficient as hell. Would we even need to pursue a guard right now if Herro was worth a damn?

Watch Herro cook utah again and then send your algorithm to the depths of hell

That contract is market value, easily

-SHULA

[twozeroMM]

Please let this get done in our favor today. Really want this resolved before the draft so we can potentially keep building through draft day trades.

Its going to get done prior the draft for sure. Wiz arent going to let the bidders walk into the draft and spend their caufers.

Normally I would agree, but we are just talking about the 18th pick here. If it was a top pick I get it, but it's the 18th. All things being equal or close the Wiz want Beal out of the conference, let alone in the same division.

I feel like this whole in the same conference/division has always been overstated. Like why does that matter if you play the player you traded a few times a year. That should’nt determine if a deal happens or not.

[Vertical Limit]

Herros is not an awful contract, that's a troll right there lol

-SHULA

Probably one of the worst contracts in the NBA for many reasons stated repeatedly. We owned ourselves by not letting him reach RFA this offseason to get an offer sheet, which many teams in the NBA do all the time. He would have received a contract offer somewhere around 4 years 90 million. What would be his first year number, 17 million?

And then you match that offer sheet. Instead we tied ourselves up to 27 million on its first year and we are now trying to figure out how the hell do we move that contract should we get Beal or Dame. Because we are not going to be paying 70 million on one position.

Awful contract, awful cap management. We would have a different conversation right now about our tax issues if we didnt give him that deal, on a season Herro regressed by the way.

Not to mention he is a revolving door defensively and inefficient as hell. Would we even need to pursue a guard right now if Herro was worth a damn?

Watch Herro cook utah again and then send your algorithm to the depths of hell

-SHULA

What does cooking Utah do for us? Herro averages 32 % from 3 with an overall 42% on the floor in the playoffs. Thank god he was not available this playoffs else we wouldve been bounced by the Bucks

[ShulaDon92]

Probably one of the worst contracts in the NBA for many reasons stated repeatedly. We owned ourselves by not letting him reach RFA this offseason to get an offer sheet, which many teams in the NBA do all the time. He would have received a contract offer somewhere around 4 years 90 million. What would be his first year number, 17 million?

And then you match that offer sheet. Instead we tied ourselves up to 27 million on its first year and we are now trying to figure out how the hell do we move that contract should we get Beal or Dame. Because we are not going to be paying 70 million on one position.

Awful contract, awful cap management. We would have a different conversation right now about our tax issues if we didnt give him that deal, on a season Herro regressed by the way.

Not to mention he is a revolving door defensively and inefficient as hell. Would we even need to pursue a guard right now if Herro was worth a damn?

Watch Herro cook utah again and then send your algorithm to the depths of hell

-SHULA

What does cooking Utah do for us? Herro averages 32 % from 3 with an overall 42% on the floor in the playoffs. Thank god he was not available this playoffs else we wouldve been bounced by the Bucks

You're entitled to your predictions but the fact remains you have a starter coming into prime that played at an allstar level in the regular season and played very well in the PO before going down as a casualty through no fault of his own.

Herro's fine. If he's moving it's due to fit and chemistry.

-SHULA

[Flash4thewin]

Its going to get done prior the draft for sure. Wiz arent going to let the bidders walk into the draft and spend their caufers.

Normally I would agree, but we are just talking about the 18th pick here. If it was a top pick I get it, but it's the 18th. All things being equal or close the Wiz want Beal out of the conference, let alone in the same division.

I feel like this whole in the same conference/division has always been overstated. Like why does that matter if you play the player you traded a few times a year. That should’nt determine if a deal happens or not.

But it does, especially to owners. They couldn't surround Beal with players needed to win but now a team in the same conference, in the same freaking division is doing what they couldn't. Talk about insult to injury. Again we are talking about billionaires here, this does play a role unfortunately for us. Its one thing to lose a star player, its another things to basically give one away to a rival which in theory should make us win a championship. All of this petty stuff plays a role. Didnt Cuban walk out of a deal just to spite us? Billionaires do things differently.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Its going to get done prior the draft for sure. Wiz arent going to let the bidders walk into the draft and spend their caufers.

Normally I would agree, but we are just talking about the 18th pick here. If it was a top pick I get it, but it's the 18th. All things being equal or close the Wiz want Beal out of the conference, let alone in the same division.

I feel like this whole in the same conference/division has always been overstated. Like why does that matter if you play the player you traded a few times a year. That should’nt determine if a deal happens or not.

agree

that stuff actually matters in the NFL, since 2 games out of 17 is a lot

but nba is 82 games...

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Spurs hang up the phone lol. They are not trying to win year one, they have a plan to gradually get better so they can get another lottery pick next year. They dont want to deal with the Lebron/Luca effect, where the teams won so early it backfired on them. They will take it slow and easy thinking of the big picture.

If you think that’s how the Spurs and Pop are thinking after adding arguably the greatest draft prospect ever you don’t know how the spurs operate lol

They will "load manage" him. Spurs think big picture. They will use the pretext of keeping him on limited minutes for health reasons. That way he can get stronger after the offseason. No need for them to go all in on a win now mode. They of all teams know how to play the game.

Yea that’s not happening lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

All the local guys are saying to watch out for us snagging Draymond. That doesn’t work unless you have 2 high volume 3 point shooters like a Dame/Strus backcourt or something and Jimmy and Bam along with the coaching staff make it an effort to work the 3 ball more into their games

[QUIZ]

Washingtons position may be to take the least amount of salary back.. they dont want herro, they dont want ayton, those are awful contracts and theyre trying to get rid of their own awful contract in Beal and dump it to phoenix or miami.

Theyre also dealing with teams that dont have much draft assets. This is purely a salary dump move and i get it from the Wizards perspective.. they performed just about the same with or without Beal. Theyre no where closer to the postseason with him than they were without him.

Herros is not an awful contract, that's a troll right there lol

-SHULA

Probably one of the worst contracts in the NBA for many reasons stated repeatedly. We owned ourselves by not letting him reach RFA this offseason to get an offer sheet, which many teams in the NBA do all the time. The Suns did it to Ayton and owe him less money than they would have if they just extended beforehand. Herro would have received a contract offer somewhere around 4 years 90 million. What would be his first year number, 17 million?

And then you match that offer sheet. Instead we tied ourselves up to 27 million on its first year and we are now trying to figure out how the hell do we move that contract should we get Beal or Dame. Because we are not going to be paying 70 million on one position.

Awful contract, awful cap management. We would have a different conversation right now about our tax issues if we didnt give him that deal, on a season Herro regressed by the way.

Not to mention he is a revolving door defensively and inefficient as hell. Would we even need to pursue a guard right now if Herro was worth a damn?

It literally isn’t. Poole is objectively a worse contract. RJ has the same contract and is not a materially better player.

People need to adjust their expectations in the new cap era. Decent role players get $20 mill these days

[AirP.]

All the local guys are saying to watch out for us snagging Draymond. That doesn’t work unless you have 2 high volume 3 point shooters like a Dame/Strus backcourt or something and Jimmy and Bam along with the coaching staff make it an effort to work the 3 ball more into their games

I think there's a way to make it work well. You start and end games with all 3, during the game you can have one of Bam or Green on the court to always keep the defense at a high level IQ wise. From the 6 minute mark of the first quarter to the 6 minute mark in the 4th quarter (36 minutes) you only have 2 of the 3 guys out there with 3 3pt shooters, I'd also tell Butler these 12 minutes you 3 are together is your time to make your imprint on the offensive side of the game.

If you just dropped Draymond in say Herro's spot(since he wasn't playing and will be a larger contract) during the finals I think Miami goes further then 5 games with Denver with possibly causes issues for Jokic with a Bam/Draymond front court. Having someone as smart as Draymond on defense and outgoing would have helped everyone on the team defensively.

Also, having a team with Bam and Draymond, not only do you want 3pt shooters, you want guys who anticipate passes to get deflections and steals for some easy buckets while Bam and Draymond do the dirty work and it wouldn't hurt Bam's future of learning some information and tricks from Draymond.

[AirP.]

Herros is not an awful contract, that's a troll right there lol

-SHULA

Probably one of the worst contracts in the NBA for many reasons stated repeatedly. We owned ourselves by not letting him reach RFA this offseason to get an offer sheet, which many teams in the NBA do all the time. The Suns did it to Ayton and owe him less money than they would have if they just extended beforehand. Herro would have received a contract offer somewhere around 4 years 90 million. What would be his first year number, 17 million?

And then you match that offer sheet. Instead we tied ourselves up to 27 million on its first year and we are now trying to figure out how the hell do we move that contract should we get Beal or Dame. Because we are not going to be paying 70 million on one position.

Awful contract, awful cap management. We would have a different conversation right now about our tax issues if we didnt give him that deal, on a season Herro regressed by the way.

Not to mention he is a revolving door defensively and inefficient as hell. Would we even need to pursue a guard right now if Herro was worth a damn?

It literally isn’t. Poole is objectively a worse contract. RJ has the same contract and is not a materially better player.

People need to adjust their expectations in the new cap era. Decent role players get $20 mill these days

The new cap era is pushing max and minimum players, the middle class may start disappearing.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What has Herro done to undoubtedly make him and better player than Poole and RJ or are we just talking about them because they’re similar players on a similar contract?