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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#461 » by Heat3 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:11 pm

Fans here were mad Heat didn’t overpay for Beal before the Dame thing even happened. That isn’t even mentioned anymore. I wonder why…Fans here still crying about Dame even though he didn’t do anything on a better team in year 1 and is already broken in year 2. Our window will already be closed with him.

Anyone want a broken Dame right now? Portland wanted Jimmy or Bam. Didn’t even pickup the phone for anything else. Imagine our team now. No Bam. Broken Dame. Jimmy causing trouble :lol:

Now people mad about KD. An old ass player who only won when he joined the best team of all time almost a decade ago. Failed with Booker and Beal. Failed with Kyrie and Harden. Failed with Harden and Westbrook. But it was going to be better here at age 37???

You all need to understand the Heat are not in a position to win it all right now and can’t afford to give up youth and future assets for fools gold. Everyone complains about dumb trades they’ve made in the past and still push for dumb trades now as if it will be different.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#462 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:11 pm

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Wouldn’t getting Pat out of the front office basically solve that issue in itself?
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#463 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:12 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#464 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:14 pm

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I wonder what is plan B because rarely do they just fall on your lap all the way to 20.

If some team reads about how much you like a guy, theyll swipe him up and try to get you to trade with them.

What are the Heat willing to do to move up and if hes gone, whos next
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Post#465 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:18 pm

Heat3 wrote:Fans here were mad Heat didn’t overpay for Beal before the Dame thing even happened. That isn’t even mentioned anymore. I wonder why…Fans here still crying about Dame even though he didn’t do anything on a better team in year 1 and is already broken in year 2. Our window will already be closed with him.

Anyone want a broken Dame right now? Portland wanted Jimmy or Bam. Didn’t even pickup the phone for anything else. Imagine our team now. No Bam. Broken Dame. Jimmy causing trouble :lol:

Now people mad about KD. An old ass player who only won when he joined the best team of all time almost a decade ago. Failed with Booker and Beal. Failed with Kyrie and Harden. Failed with Harden and Wesrbrook. But it was going to be better here at age 37???

You all need to understand the Heat are not in a position to win it all right now and can’t afford to give up youth and future assets for fools gold. Everyone complains about dumb trades they’ve made in the past and still push for dumb trades now as if it will be different.


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Post#466 » by CrossOver » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:18 pm

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Post#467 » by VaDe255 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:33 pm

Heat3 wrote:Fans here were mad Heat didn’t overpay for Beal before the Dame thing even happened. That isn’t even mentioned anymore. I wonder why…Fans here still crying about Dame even though he didn’t do anything on a better team in year 1 and is already broken in year 2. Our window will already be closed with him.

Anyone want a broken Dame right now? Portland wanted Jimmy or Bam. Didn’t even pickup the phone for anything else. Imagine our team now. No Bam. Broken Dame. Jimmy causing trouble :lol:

Now people mad about KD. An old ass player who only won when he joined the best team of all time almost a decade ago. Failed with Booker and Beal. Failed with Kyrie and Harden. Failed with Harden and Wesrbrook. But it was going to be better here at age 37???

You all need to understand the Heat are not in a position to win it all right now and can’t afford to give up youth and future assets for fools gold. Everyone complains about dumb trades they’ve made in the past and still push for dumb trades now as if it will be different.


Fans aren’t mad, they’re just disappointed and frustrated. This FO seems completely cooked at this point. Year after year, they keep setting the bar lower, and it’s difficult to keep any faith
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Post#468 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:38 pm

VaDe255 wrote:- They invest in the Jimmy window and get Terry, fine. But then they don’t follow through by extending Jimmy in the offseason?
- They’re not extending Jimmy but then they don’t trade him either, and it predictably turns into a mess with him eventually asking out and tanking the season
- Jovic is supposedly a great young player they don't want to trade, yet he’s not starting, barely sees the floor, and has to fight for bench minutes?
- They act like they’re serious about getting KD, great, then get him. Instead, they put out a lowball offer and won’t include Jovic?!?

At this point, I have no idea what this front office is doing. What’s the plan here? What are they even doing? Feels weak, no balls to take real risks.
They probably don’t know either.


The very clear problem is that they haven’t picked a direction. They either need to decide between option 1 or option 2.

Option 1 - go into a full rebuild and trade Bam, Herro, and anybody else who isn’t on a rookie contract or cheap, acquire as many assets as possible.

Option 2 - commit to winning now, extend Jimmy (too late), stop lowballing teams, and don’t worry about trading your young players like Jovic for a superstar like Dame

They are in limbo between those 2 options so we will stay In basketball purgatory.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#469 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:40 pm

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Heat3 wrote:Fans here were mad Heat didn’t overpay for Beal before the Dame thing even happened. That isn’t even mentioned anymore. I wonder why…Fans here still crying about Dame even though he didn’t do anything on a better team in year 1 and is already broken in year 2. Our window will already be closed with him.

Anyone want a broken Dame right now? Portland wanted Jimmy or Bam. Didn’t even pickup the phone for anything else. Imagine our team now. No Bam. Broken Dame. Jimmy causing trouble :lol:

Now people mad about KD. An old ass player who only won when he joined the best team of all time almost a decade ago. Failed with Booker and Beal. Failed with Kyrie and Harden. Failed with Harden and Wesrbrook. But it was going to be better here at age 37???

You all need to understand the Heat are not in a position to win it all right now and can’t afford to give up youth and future assets for fools gold. Everyone complains about dumb trades they’ve made in the past and still push for dumb trades now as if it will be different.


Fans aren’t mad, they’re just disappointed and frustrated. This FO seems completely cooked at this point. Year after year, they keep setting the bar lower, and it’s difficult to keep any faith


I don’t see why this is so hard to understand. Other front offices are killing it while ours is stuck in the mud looking clueless as it gets. We were damn near champions 3 times in a 4 year span and each year came back worse than the prior lol make it make sense. We needed to be proactive like Boston and make the right moves to get over the hump, after that if we’re in a bad spot and the build has run its course then do what you have to do, blow it up or whatever the case may be. At least we have a championship to show for it, that used to be what this organization was about, not anymore.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#470 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:44 pm

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VaDe255 wrote:- They invest in the Jimmy window and get Terry, fine. But then they don’t follow through by extending Jimmy in the offseason?
- They’re not extending Jimmy but then they don’t trade him either, and it predictably turns into a mess with him eventually asking out and tanking the season
- Jovic is supposedly a great young player they don't want to trade, yet he’s not starting, barely sees the floor, and has to fight for bench minutes?
- They act like they’re serious about getting KD, great, then get him. Instead, they put out a lowball offer and won’t include Jovic?!?

At this point, I have no idea what this front office is doing. What’s the plan here? What are they even doing? Feels weak, no balls to take real risks.
They probably don’t know either.


The very clear problem is that they haven’t picked a direction. They either need to decide between option 1 or option 2.

Option 1 - go into a full rebuild and trade Bam, Herro, and anybody else who isn’t on a rookie contract or cheap, acquire as many assets as possible.

Option 2 - commit to winning now, extend Jimmy (too late), stop lowballing teams, and don’t worry about trading your young players like Jovic for a superstar like Dame

They are in limbo between those 2 options so we will stay In basketball purgatory.


Nows the perfect time to trade Bam and Herro. Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics fans are on twitter running rampant as we speak for the opportunity to trade for Bam and several other teams like the Pacers/Rockets/Thunder/Pistons/Grizzlies/etc. have tons of assets to trade out. It makes sense for both bam and the Heat

Herro is coming off his 1st and possibly last all star appearance (Dame being hurt helps his case next season) but has the looming extension. The closer we get to his $50M days the less and less value he will have, it’s best to move him now.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#471 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:46 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:- They invest in the Jimmy window and get Terry, fine. But then they don’t follow through by extending Jimmy in the offseason?
- They’re not extending Jimmy but then they don’t trade him either, and it predictably turns into a mess with him eventually asking out and tanking the season
- Jovic is supposedly a great young player they don't want to trade, yet he’s not starting, barely sees the floor, and has to fight for bench minutes?
- They act like they’re serious about getting KD, great, then get him. Instead, they put out a lowball offer and won’t include Jovic?!?

At this point, I have no idea what this front office is doing. What’s the plan here? What are they even doing? Feels weak, no balls to take real risks.
They probably don’t know either.


The very clear problem is that they haven’t picked a direction. They either need to decide between option 1 or option 2.

Option 1 - go into a full rebuild and trade Bam, Herro, and anybody else who isn’t on a rookie contract or cheap, acquire as many assets as possible.

Option 2 - commit to winning now, extend Jimmy (too late), stop lowballing teams, and don’t worry about trading your young players like Jovic for a superstar like Dame

They are in limbo between those 2 options so we will stay In basketball purgatory.


Nows the perfect time to trade Bam and Herro. Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics fans are on twitter running rampant as we speak for the opportunity to trade for Bam and several other teams like the Pacers/Rockets/Thunder/Pistons/Grizzlies/etc. have tons of assets to trade out. It makes sense for both bam and the Heat

Herro is coming off his 1st and possibly last all star appearance (Dame being hurt helps his case next season) but has the looming extension. The closer we get to his $50M days the less and less value he will have, it’s best to move him now.


Spurs would be pretty interesting. Lakers legit don't have anything good to offer. It's a disaster to even entertain them as a suitor as that places a drag on perceived Bam value. They have role player salary (including Knecht and Reaves--whos due for a new contract) and like 1 tradeable FRP.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#472 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:52 pm

I dont think theyll ever trade Bam but if it were up to me Bam is available on teams with a minimum of 4 lottery picks available. But i probably will want 5.

Herro is available on teams with 2 firsts, one of them being a lottery could be top 5 protected… if Milwaukee wants him then lets send Herro home.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#473 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:59 pm

Actually nevermind on Milwaukee, they have all their picks tied to swaps up to 2029. Goodness.. they just need to trade Giannis theyre not going to do ****.

Herro
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For Giannis

If they want Ware, ill budge to close the deal
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#474 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:02 pm

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The very clear problem is that they haven’t picked a direction. They either need to decide between option 1 or option 2.

Option 1 - go into a full rebuild and trade Bam, Herro, and anybody else who isn’t on a rookie contract or cheap, acquire as many assets as possible.

Option 2 - commit to winning now, extend Jimmy (too late), stop lowballing teams, and don’t worry about trading your young players like Jovic for a superstar like Dame

They are in limbo between those 2 options so we will stay In basketball purgatory.


Nows the perfect time to trade Bam and Herro. Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics fans are on twitter running rampant as we speak for the opportunity to trade for Bam and several other teams like the Pacers/Rockets/Thunder/Pistons/Grizzlies/etc. have tons of assets to trade out. It makes sense for both bam and the Heat

Herro is coming off his 1st and possibly last all star appearance (Dame being hurt helps his case next season) but has the looming extension. The closer we get to his $50M days the less and less value he will have, it’s best to move him now.


Spurs would be pretty interesting. Lakers legit don't have anything good to offer. It's a disaster to even entertain them as a suitor as that places a drag on perceived Bam value. They have role player salary (including Knecht and Reaves--whos due for a new contract) and like 1 tradeable FRP.


Yea I’m confused how they’re the favorites, especially with +190 odds. That just seems crazy to me.

I guess a move they could make would be to move a piece for a 1st that in return will give them access to trading their own picks that they have? I think that would only give them access to 3 1sts. Like we always say it’s never the favorite who lands them though, Spurs easily make the most sense.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#475 » by Shewasfly » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:02 pm

As I've said before, I just don't think we have good relationships in the league with other front offices. FOs seems to want to bleed us dry, while playing fair or even being very generous with other teams.

I truly don't think Pat is well liked among his peers anymore. And that doesn't even come into talking about the league's obvious bias against him. The Commissioner(s) have hated him since how he dealt with their golden cow, the biggest cupcake of them all, LeBron. And he's probably still getting karma for how he did Wade.
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Post#476 » by Shewasfly » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:04 pm

I wonder if in all this Micky Arison starts considering selling the team too. Maybe the 10b deal for the Lakers has him licking his chops to get out before a true rebuild is forced on him and income declines.
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Post#477 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:06 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:I dont think theyll ever trade Bam but if it were up to me Bam is available on teams with a minimum of 4 lottery picks available. But i probably will want 5.

Herro is available on teams with 2 firsts, one of them being a lottery could be top 5 protected… if Milwaukee wants him then lets send Herro home.


Damn brother one minute Julius Randle is a far superior player to Bam (so is Turner, Chet, KAT, OG, Mobley, Allen, JJJ, Sabonis, Gobert, etc.) and the next you’re wanting 5 lottery picks in a trade for him, which is it? :lol:
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Post#478 » by greg4012 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:14 pm

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Nows the perfect time to trade Bam and Herro. Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics fans are on twitter running rampant as we speak for the opportunity to trade for Bam and several other teams like the Pacers/Rockets/Thunder/Pistons/Grizzlies/etc. have tons of assets to trade out. It makes sense for both bam and the Heat

Herro is coming off his 1st and possibly last all star appearance (Dame being hurt helps his case next season) but has the looming extension. The closer we get to his $50M days the less and less value he will have, it’s best to move him now.


Spurs would be pretty interesting. Lakers legit don't have anything good to offer. It's a disaster to even entertain them as a suitor as that places a drag on perceived Bam value. They have role player salary (including Knecht and Reaves--whos due for a new contract) and like 1 tradeable FRP.


Yea I’m confused how they’re the favorites, especially with +190 odds. That just seems crazy to me.

I guess a move they could make would be to move a piece for a 1st that in return will give them access to trading their own picks that they have? I think that would only give them access to 3 1sts. Like we always say it’s never the favorite who lands them though, Spurs easily make the most sense.


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They're the favorites bc it's just vibes-based to put out odds for a player that likely isn't available for trade to get people to give sportsbooks money for speculating on a fun sports narratives fueled by the most obnoxious and spoiled fanbase out there
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#480 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:32 pm

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I wonder what is plan B because rarely do they just fall on your lap all the way to 20.

If some team reads about how much you like a guy, theyll swipe him up and try to get you to trade with them.

What are the Heat willing to do to move up and if hes gone, whos next

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