Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread

[Slot Machine]

Pelicans shopping Robin Lopez, I would take him in a second.

Miami could offer Joel + 1st rounder for Robin. Would save the Pelicans 2 million and get themselves a defensive center with championship intangibles. HAHAHA

Well yeah, no one's taking Joel. I wonder if Varnado+Jones+Lewis would be enough. Varnado is unguaranteed and the rest are expiring. Maybe throw in a pick if they're actually trying to get value rather than just a salary dump.

[LoveMyHeat]

Nawlens already bought out Shard, doubt they would want him again.

I would LOVE Robin on this team though.

[GreenHat]

I think you are understanding in circles just for the sake of arguing. Really? A late first round pick in a weak draft (2012)?

You have yet to name a player that is was worth paying luxury tax money with a guaranteed contract and/or risk our cap flexibility in 2014 IF any one, two or all three of the big three bolt.

Here is a list of the players drafted from #27 (Heat slot) and on in 2012 NBA Draft:

Arnett Moultrie
Perry Jones III
Marquis Teague
Festus Ezeli
Jeffery Taylor
Tomáš Satoranský
Bernard James
Jae Crowder
Draymond Green
Orlando Johnson
Quincy Acy
Quincy Miller
Khris Middleton
Will Barton
Tyshawn Taylor
Doron Lamb
Mike Scott
Kim English
Justin Hamilton
Darius Miller
Kevin Murphy
Kostas Papanikolaou
Kyle O'Quinn
İzzet Türkyılmaz
Kris Joseph
Ognjen Kuzmić
Furkan Aldemir
Tornike Shengelia
Darius Johnson-Odom
Tomislav Zubčić
İlkan Karaman
Robbie Hummel
Marcus Denmon
Robert Sacre

Do you see the name of player that would've have played this season? A player that would've played this upcoming season?

If you are going to have any of those players ride the bench a la Varnado, why do it on a guaranteed contract, eliminate roster flexibility, pay a higher tax bill and complicate your cap flexibility in 2014? Don't you think that future first round pick from Philly - or two high 2nd rounder as it looks like now - are more valuable as assets when evaluating the whole situation we are in now and in 2014?

Again you are creating strawmen everywhere.

Once again I bring up the original quote that you quoted:

We are way past the luxury tax line, there is no flexibility with a pick or not.

Having that pick would do nothing to damage that flexibility, unless you consider the ability to sign Juwan Howard flexibility. And yes there are guys there I'd rather have than Juwan Howard.

But that's irrelevant. I wasn't arguing for or against the trade at this time or in the future (in which case I'm sure by 2014 some of those guys pan out)

What I was saying was having a first round pick does not kill any kind of flexibility. The salary on a late first round pick is 1 million dollars. What do you think the cap hold on a minimum salary is? Not to mention the contract is only guaranteed for two years. If you don't like the guy you can let him go for free in time for your ridiculous hypothetical of needing cap flexibility in 2014.

Of course those team options are almost always picked up because its a bargain contract of 3 mil/2yrs at that point.

Just think of the contract like Norris Cole's contract. How much flexibility would we gain if we never had that pick? Nothing.

We are so far over the cap that a 2mil/2year contract has no bearing on our flexibility. We have none. By 2014 that contract is a player option which we could decline if needed. A late first round pick from last year would have no effect on our flexibility.

I'll try this one more time.

Since you are sitting tight on that one quote from the original poster, let me clarify to you that I am speaking of our overall cap situation including 2014 and although yes THIS upcoming off-season we have no cap flexibility, the goal with Riley has always been 2014 flexibility for reasons already discussed.

Now, when I mentioned flexibility, I was also referring to roster in addition to cap. Right now we have a couple of roster spots that are interchangeable. That is how we were able to land Birdman. If we have end of bench rookies with fully guaranteed contracts, you sort of eliminate that roster spot since it would be harder to cut a fully guaranteed contract.

I agree with you in that a rookie worth developing who is able to contribute to the team right away (Chalmers, Cole etc), you gladly draft and take him on your roster with a fully guaranteed commitment. If you take a minute to look over the list of players that were available at #27 in last year's weak draft, can you find a name that would be worth eliminating that flexibility for?

That was my point from the get go. Miami did the right thing in trading the pick, convert it into assets that could be used in a future trade and STILL maintain the 2014 flexibility I am speaking off. Cap, small luxury tax breaks and roster flexibility for now and 2014. I just don't get why you would jeopardize all of that for any of the names on that 2012 draft list.

I keep focusing on that quote because that was what you quoted.

Speaking even to the overall cap situation a 2 mil/2year deal does NOTHING to the flexibility. You keep on harping on 2014 flexibility. A rookie deal from last year would be a TEAM OPTION in 2014. You can cut the guy for FREE with no cap hit.

Were you unaware that it was a team option for the third year or did you know that and you are just ignoring the fact?

Yes that goes to cap flexibility, cap flexibility, every kind of flexibility. Its no risk at all. If you don't want the guy after the first two years you just don't pick up the TEAM option in 2014. There is no risk at all for 2014. The risk would be we would not be able to keep Juwan Howard. You're also ignoring that you can move a guy who is an expiring 1 millionish expiring any time.

If a rookie deal that low is as deadly as you seem to think we never should have drafted Cole either.

Again I'm not saying the trade was good or bad. I'm attacking your flexibility comment because its nonsense.

It does nothing to cap flexibility, we are way over the cap now and it is a TEAM OPTION in 2014
It does nothing to roster flexibility, we were carrying Juwan last year, its an expiring deal now and its a TEAM OPTION in 2014
It does next to nothing for luxury tax flexibility, look at the difference between Moultrie's salary and a minimum contract cap hold.

The move had nothing to do with flexibility and having a 2 year deal last year for slightly more than 2 million does nothing to damage any type of flexibility.

You can see it was a good deal or a bad deal but if you are using flexibility as your reasoning then that is using faulty logic.

[HIF]

you need to learn how to get over yourself and drop things.

Have you noticed how many different posters you get into these "dialogues" with?

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Why didnt we get andray blatche? 1.4mil for one year deal with the nets???????????????????

[puppa bear]

Why didnt we get andray blatche? 1.4mil for one year deal with the nets???????????????????

As mentioned: he grew up in NY, so it's a bit of a home town discount. Plus they just got KG, so he's primed as 3rd big.

Plus, it was his choice to sign with them last year & opt in this year.

[+ Kyle +]

Man... I still haven't seen the group of ring chasers that want to join us.

[HIF]

Man... I still haven't seen the group of ring chasers that want to join us.

yeah it's already July 2 - nobody wants to come.

[+ Kyle +]

Man... I still haven't seen the group of ring chasers that want to join us.

yeah it's already July 2 - nobody wants to come.

Haha yeah, but I mean the past 3 seasons.

[HEATVols865]

Saw a tweet from one of these NBA writers that said the Pelicans can buy out Lopez for $500K

[Duane]

Would you guys take Marcus Camby if Raptors buy him out or something?

No. Did he even get a chance to play last year before he got injured? He was injured most of the season. I'm not sure he's at the point in his career where he can bounce back.

[S Curry]

Saw a tweet from one of these NBA writers that said the Pelicans can buy out Lopez for $500K

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/352013400177512449[/tweet]

Anyone know if he is a good rebounder ? his stat PER36 is not impressive
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... zro01.html

[RexBoyWonder]

Yea if Pelicans buys him out, Lopez for MiniMLE could be a good move. not sure who will offer him more money.

Another option to keep an eye on.

[Altered_Beast]

lopez is terrible. last player id want on this team given the guys available. id rather sign aaron gray than him

[DayofMourning]

Would choose Dalembert over Lopez easily if given the option between the two. Probably even a question mark in Oden as well. Lopez would fall in after those two.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Man... I still haven't seen the group of ring chasers that want to join us.

yeah it's already July 2 - nobody wants to come.

Haha yeah, but I mean the past 3 seasons.

yeah, all the following players came to miami simply because we offered them the biggest contract :

mike bibby
zydrunas ilgauskas
mike miller
ronny turiaf
shane battier
ray allen
chris andersen
rashard lewis

[WD]

Just curious, how long did it take us to get Allen last year?

Sometimes we act kinda "arrogant' when it comes to role players, like they should be lucky to play for us versus "we want you"....we're tops when it comes to pursuing HARD the top FA's


IMO

[Heat_Fan_87]

I would love Lopez

[Biscayne Beast]

Please bring side show bob to Miami.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Just curious, how long did it take us to get Allen last year?

Sometimes we act kinda "arrogant' when it comes to role players, like they should be lucky to play for us versus "we want you"....we're tops when it comes to pursuing HARD the top FA's


IMO

We actively pursued the ish out of Allen last summer... all our guys were texting him a bunch too. I think it may seem a little more layed back or "arrogant" as you say because we make it a point to not leak much info, if any. Nobody knew what our moves were going to be 2 summers ago when quietly Battier was the guy we were going after the whole time. And apparently last year we called Camby at 12:01 at the start of free agency... if that's not blatant interest especially for a washed up Heat hater, I don't know what is lol