Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Rich2Hassan]

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Spo called yesterday's game Hassan's best stat line of the season because he did the little things that we needed to get us the win.

So they didn't trust Hassan, but they trusted rookie Winslow??? Sounds like BS...,.

Justise is one of our best perimeter defenders. He's not facing much competition in that regard. Bosh on the other hand is one of the best PnR defenders in the game which is why Hassan wasn't seeing 4th quarter playing time. Spo isn't playing favorites, he's trying to help Hassan and our team and its clearly working. Hassan is a better defender today than he was to start off the season.

I get what you are saying Q, but how was Spo "helping" our team when we went on to lose 3 straight, and struggled badly in the wins that we did get? I agree, Hassan is better than he was at the start of the season, BUT he could've helped us in those games, as alot were calling for him to be inserted in those games. Spo is a video coordinator/stats guy and i honestly believe that he went off of those "stats" saying Hassan was a negative. My point is, you win with your best players, talent trumps all. Hassan is a better "player" regardless of position than Winslow.

[QUIZ]

I get what you are saying Q, but how was Spo "helping" our team when we went on to lose 3 straight, and struggled badly in the wins that we did get?

Every loss isn't his fault just like every win isn't thanks to his coaching.

[Rich2Hassan]

I get what you are saying Q, but how was Spo "helping" our team when we went on to lose 3 straight, and struggled badly in the wins that we did get?

Every loss isn't his fault just like every win isn't thanks to his coaching.

True. I just think that the article is BS, teammates starting to trust Hassan? LOL, sounds backwards. Spo just doesn't trust Hassan, typically rookies have to gain trust. Spo just would rather play small ball over anything that's all. It's all Spo.

[smartcane]

I get what you are saying Q, but how was Spo "helping" our team when we went on to lose 3 straight, and struggled badly in the wins that we did get?

Every loss isn't his fault just like every win isn't thanks to his coaching.

What spo did with Whiteside in the 4th may have cost a game or so but i think it has made Whiteside better. He is actually starting to play PnR properly instead of just staying in the paint. So in the end benching Whiteside in the 4th of a couple early games to get his point across to him may have been one of Spo better coach move this year so far because if Whiteside starts playing the PnR properly we will become a better team.

[Hoops23]

The question is not Whiteside versus DeRozan but Whiteside versus DeRozan PLUS a center for $10m to $12m.

Shouldn't it be:
Whiteside plus a wing for $10-12m
or
DeRozan plus a centre for $10-12m?

Either way, the quality drops off once you get past that $15-18m price.

if you read most of my post, I said its should be Whiteside plus a wing player but not for &10-12m or 2nd tier free agents. My argument is, Whiteside is not worth the max. And its should be Whiteside ($15m) and a wing player like KD or DeRozan. I''m not in favor of giving Whiteside the max contract coz Heat needs cap space to give it to KD. The current roster will not make Miami pass the Cavs. I suggest the least Miami can get are G/F DeRozan & another center like Noah or Ezeli if Whiteside ask for max contract. two versus one.

I believe Riley will not give Whiteside max contract coz he needs the cap space to add another big name free agent. I wish he can duplicate the 2010 signing by maximizing the cap space to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh.. Few months ago, a lot of poster here said that Goran Tragic will be signed to $20m, a lot of posters claims that and those posters are also telling us here Whiteside will get the max.

[puppa bear]

if you read most of my post, I said its should be Whiteside plus a wing player but not for &10-12m or 2nd tier free agents. My argument is, Whiteside is not worth the max. And its should be Whiteside ($15m) and a wing player like KD or DeRozan. I''m not in favor of giving Whiteside the max contract coz Heat needs cap space to give it to KD. The current roster will not make Miami pass the Cavs. I suggest the least Miami can get are G/F DeRozan & another center like Noah or Ezeli if Whiteside ask for max contract. two versus one.

But there is still a lot of cap space left over after he gets the max in your scenario. If we can get KD and Whiteside for $15m, then we can give him the max & still be in the hunt for DD, Parsons, Batum.

I can't see how you say the difference between him getting $15m & $21m amounts to a two for one. It's $6m difference, when KDs max is like $26m!

[ThaFranchize84]

Forgive me for not being well versed in the cap rules but can Whiteside be signed and traded this offseason even though we have no bird rights?

[QUIZ]

Forgive me for not being well versed in the cap rules but can Whiteside be signed and traded this offseason even though we have no bird rights?

Any team getting him would need to have the cap space to recieve him anyway. There'd be no benefit to a S&T. They'd be better off just signing him outright.

[3ballbomber]

I believe Riley will not give Whiteside max

that's all that needs to be said about this Hassan and Max nonsense. I've been saying over and over that the kid will not be max'd. Riles is selling Championship! He has has done it before getting everybody to sacrifice w/ the promise of a title. I believe this is his plan again.

I feel if Whiteside wants to walk and chase a bigger offer then let him, it means he wasn't loyal to begin with. If he wants to disrespect the organization that dug him from the depths of nothingness then good bye. but i believe he does stay loyal, he'll take Riles offer and this max stuff will be squashed.

[QUIZ]

I believe Riley will not give Whiteside max

that's all that needs to be said about this Hassan and Max nonsense. I've been saying over and over that the kid will not be max'd. Riles is selling Championship! He has has done it before getting everybody to sacrifice w/ the promise of a title. I believe this is his plan again.

I feel if Whiteside wants to walk and chase a bigger offer then let him, it means he wasn't loyal to begin with. If he wants to disrespect the organization that dug him from the depths of nothingness then good bye. but i believe he does stay loyal, he'll take Riles offer and this max stuff will be squashed.

Riley has gotten tons of people to take pay cuts but only enough to offer wiggle room.

If it isn't his full max of 4 year $94mill it'll be something close like 4 year $80-85mill. Which in the grand scheme of things would only be around $3mill per year in savings.

[ThaFranchize84]

Thanks for the input on S & T with Whiteside. I was thinking we could sign him to the max or near max and then trade him for another max player. Or if he walks use our cap space to trade for Carmelo which could fit this roster better spacing the floor with McBob at the 4 and Bosh back at the 5. Also would allow more space for Dragic to operate. Of course this all is predicated on swinging and missing on Durant.

Option 2 would be if Whiteside does resign I wonder if Riley could convince him to take a 1 year deal with the promise of near maxing him out when I cap rises again the following year. Maybe do a 1 year at $12-15 million with a player option which seems to be a popular choice these days with the cap rising.

[Flash4thewin]

The question is not Whiteside versus DeRozan but Whiteside versus DeRozan PLUS a center for $10m to $12m.

Shouldn't it be:
Whiteside plus a wing for $10-12m
or
DeRozan plus a centre for $10-12m?

Either way, the quality drops off once you get past that $15-18m price.

if you read most of my post, I said its should be Whiteside plus a wing player but not for &10-12m or 2nd tier free agents. My argument is, Whiteside is not worth the max. And its should be Whiteside ($15m) and a wing player like KD or DeRozan. I''m not in favor of giving Whiteside the max contract coz Heat needs cap space to give it to KD. The current roster will not make Miami pass the Cavs. I suggest the least Miami can get are G/F DeRozan & another center like Noah or Ezeli if Whiteside ask for max contract. two versus one.

I believe Riley will not give Whiteside max contract coz he needs the cap space to add another big name free agent. I wish he can duplicate the 2010 signing by maximizing the cap space to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh.. Few months ago, a lot of poster here said that Goran Tragic will be signed to $20m, a lot of posters claims that and those posters are also telling us here Whiteside will get the max.

I dont know how to break this to you but Dragic is signed to an 18 mil a year contract.... 90/5 = 18. A savings of what 10% at the most? 2 mil a year difference in signing a player who no one else was trying to sign? A better example would be Bosh who is a big who multiple teams will offer the max. How much of a discount did Bosh give us? Yup Zero, he was signed to the max because that was the only way to keep him with other teams offering maxes.

Guys we are a Business, loyalty is the same as personality when going on a bind date. Wake up. If we need to bring up loyalty we are toast and we know it

Thats why Whiteside will do whats best for him and Pat will do what he thinks is best.

[Bourne85]

Loyalty? Please.

Where is Rio? Where is Mike Miller? Why is Birdman on the bench everyday and not being used? (He is getting traded too). Deng mcbob all have been in trade rumors.
Team will do anything to get under that luxury tax.

This is a business, there is no loyalty. Micky better open up his wallet, Hassan will command Max offers or very close to max like it or not. See Deandre Jordan, Enes Kanter, Asik etc.

Open up that Wallet Micky.

[Rocky M5]

You guys gotta let go of this "loyalty" and "Heatlifer" thing.. Its all bullsh*t.

You're not selling a guy who played in Lebanon and China to take less in the name of loyalty. If i were Hassan I would not take a penny less than the max offer, f*ck being a "Heatlifer" look where that sh*t got Rio. Make your money Hassan, if its with the Heat (Cheapskate cruiseline owner probably says no) or not

[insfo]

Shouldn't it be:
Whiteside plus a wing for $10-12m
or
DeRozan plus a centre for $10-12m?

Either way, the quality drops off once you get past that $15-18m price.

if you read most of my post, I said its should be Whiteside plus a wing player but not for &10-12m or 2nd tier free agents. My argument is, Whiteside is not worth the max. And its should be Whiteside ($15m) and a wing player like KD or DeRozan. I''m not in favor of giving Whiteside the max contract coz Heat needs cap space to give it to KD. The current roster will not make Miami pass the Cavs. I suggest the least Miami can get are G/F DeRozan & another center like Noah or Ezeli if Whiteside ask for max contract. two versus one.

I believe Riley will not give Whiteside max contract coz he needs the cap space to add another big name free agent. I wish he can duplicate the 2010 signing by maximizing the cap space to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh.. Few months ago, a lot of poster here said that Goran Tragic will be signed to $20m, a lot of posters claims that and those posters are also telling us here Whiteside will get the max.

I dont know how to break this to you but Dragic is signed to an 18 mil a year contract.... 90/5 = 18. A savings of what 10% at the most? 2 mil a year difference in signing a player who no one else was trying to sign? A better example would be Bosh who is a big who multiple teams will offer the max. How much of a discount did Bosh give us? Yup Zero, he was signed to the max because that was the only way to keep him with other teams offering maxes.

Guys we are a Business, loyalty is the same as personality when going on a bind date. Wake up. If we need to bring up loyalty we are toast and we know it

Thats why Whiteside will do whats best for him and Pat will do what he thinks is best.

Dragic's salary is actually 85/5 .. so basically a 15% discount? That's not something to sneeze at. And I totally agree with the last part of the last sentence. Pat will do what he thinks is best ... and I'm hoping that does not reflect the folks posting on here dying to push a Max contract down Hassan's throat

[KingDavid]

You guys gotta let go of this "loyalty" and "Heatlifer" thing.. Its all bullsh*t.

You're not selling a guy who played in Lebanon and China to take less in the name of loyalty. If i were Hassan I would not take a penny less than the max offer, f*ck being a "Heatlifer" look where that sh*t got Rio. Make your money Hassan, if its with the Heat (Cheapskate cruiseline owner probably says no) or not

Eloquent name-calling aside, I agree. Rio could have gotten a bit more on the market, but instead settled for something reasonable and still got tossed. Ethan said it best, that heatlifer stuff is for the fans, not the players/organization.

[Chalm Down]

I believe Riley will not give Whiteside max

that's all that needs to be said about this Hassan and Max nonsense. I've been saying over and over that the kid will not be max'd. Riles is selling Championship! He has has done it before getting everybody to sacrifice w/ the promise of a title. I believe this is his plan again.

I feel if Whiteside wants to walk and chase a bigger offer then let him, it means he wasn't loyal to begin with. If he wants to disrespect the organization that dug him from the depths of nothingness then good bye. but i believe he does stay loyal, he'll take Riles offer and this max stuff will be squashed.

How many millions of dollars do you think Whiteside should give up so as not to "disrespect" the Heat?

Yes, the Heat were the team that gave Whiteside a chance, but imo he has re-payed that chance with his level of play that well exceeds his current salary (not to mention all the fan excitement/money he has generated for the team).

[puppa bear]

if you read most of my post, I said its should be Whiteside plus a wing player but not for &10-12m or 2nd tier free agents. My argument is, Whiteside is not worth the max. And its should be Whiteside ($15m) and a wing player like KD or DeRozan. I''m not in favor of giving Whiteside the max contract coz Heat needs cap space to give it to KD. The current roster will not make Miami pass the Cavs. I suggest the least Miami can get are G/F DeRozan & another center like Noah or Ezeli if Whiteside ask for max contract. two versus one.

I believe Riley will not give Whiteside max contract coz he needs the cap space to add another big name free agent. I wish he can duplicate the 2010 signing by maximizing the cap space to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh.. Few months ago, a lot of poster here said that Goran Tragic will be signed to $20m, a lot of posters claims that and those posters are also telling us here Whiteside will get the max.

I dont know how to break this to you but Dragic is signed to an 18 mil a year contract.... 90/5 = 18. A savings of what 10% at the most? 2 mil a year difference in signing a player who no one else was trying to sign? A better example would be Bosh who is a big who multiple teams will offer the max. How much of a discount did Bosh give us? Yup Zero, he was signed to the max because that was the only way to keep him with other teams offering maxes.

Guys we are a Business, loyalty is the same as personality when going on a bind date. Wake up. If we need to bring up loyalty we are toast and we know it

Thats why Whiteside will do whats best for him and Pat will do what he thinks is best.

Dragic's salary is actually 85/5 .. so basically a 15% discount? That's not something to sneeze at. And I totally agree with the last part of the last sentence. Pat will do what he thinks is best ... and I'm hoping that does not reflect the folks posting on here dying to push a Max contract down Hassan's throat

I for one hope that Pat can get him for less than the max, but am preparing myself for the possibility that other teams will throw that type of money at him & we are forced to match or move on.

[3ballbomber]

I believe Riley will not give Whiteside max

that's all that needs to be said about this Hassan and Max nonsense. I've been saying over and over that the kid will not be max'd. Riles is selling Championship! He has has done it before getting everybody to sacrifice w/ the promise of a title. I believe this is his plan again.

I feel if Whiteside wants to walk and chase a bigger offer then let him, it means he wasn't loyal to begin with. If he wants to disrespect the organization that dug him from the depths of nothingness then good bye. but i believe he does stay loyal, he'll take Riles offer and this max stuff will be squashed.

How many millions of dollars do you think Whiteside should give up so as not to "disrespect" the Heat?

Yes, the Heat were the team that gave Whiteside a chance, but imo he has re-payed that chance with his level of play that well exceeds his current salary (not to mention all the fan excitement/money he has generated for the team).

I'm not a cap guy but i predict he will accept or will settle for something everybody can be happy with. I know Riles will have a number and i believe he'll get what he wants from Hassan or close to it if push comes to shove.

As for you statement about generating revenue and fanfare for the team we still do have Wade & Bosh foremost. Remember that this kid was waiting for invites and call backs and was getting nothing. He was playing pick up games and rotting away until we gave him a chance. He has not re-payed as much as you think. We have given him the opportunity to shine. He could have been picked up by another organization whom he may not have fit well with, mis-managed his attitude and given him the wrong guidance. But because we are the Miami Hea,,t one of the most professional & disciplined organization he flourished here w/ guidance from Riles, Mourning, JHoward, Wade, Bosh, Deng & Spo. THat is alot of experience, integrity, veteran leadership & championship pedigree. I say he owes us his career.

Furthermore the kid has not proven anything. He is still yet to play a sigle playoff game. He still has plenty to learn, spite of the numbers he is still inexperienced. Individual stats don't mean nothing right now.

I'll be gobsmacked if we accept Hassan getting max. I cannot see Riley doing that. Riles and the Heat will get what ever it is done that they feel is necessary. Plenty have come here discounted for the opportunity to play for an organization w/ championship DNA, to play beside Wade & Bosh.......Why would Hassan be any different!

[HIF]

start with Hassan and TJ and work from there.