Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[JLop]

Trade Butler to GSW for contracts, the 2nd pick and Minny's lotto in 2021. Draft Wiseman and Cade Cunningham.

*Ducks tomatoes*

I have always been a huge follower of your comments, but after reading this, I feel the need to rethink my decisions in life.

[twix2500]

Unless it’s Giannis, i don’t want to risk the floor spacing with Jimmy and Bam working the interior of the court. Our ideal big can play elite defense, and maintain our spacing. He probably isn’t so good that we feel bad benching him in a small ball lineup.

We need another ball handler unless nunn and Herro take giant leaps, they aren’t ready to be primary which is what we need need when there is an injury to goran or Jimmy. Likely replacing nunn in the rotation.

Imho the ideal place for a star is jae’s spot. Somebody who is excellent on defense but a higher volume scorer. VO or Jrue would fit at the right price (neither are max players).


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That is a key point. I think we get too hyperbolic when we talk contracts. We either think a player is Max, Min or MLE.

IMO We need a big talent player to get us over the hump, and those usually get max contracts or close to that.

Unless the younglings really amaze with their growth and really make huge strides :


1. I don't expect Duncan get much better (think he improves a bit more, hopefully becomes better defender)

2. Nunn is an older rookie, He will improve some but not going to get a ton better if we're realistic.

3. Bam already made a huge jump this year, hard to tell what his celling is. I expect him to improve, but can he become a true consistent offensive weapon against quality bigs? Hopefully, but seems unfair to expect that from him.

4. Herro looked great, and will for sure improve a lot. But how long will it take him to reach his prime? How high will his prime be, considering his physical limitations?

5. KZ is very intriguing to me but still an unknown.


It's not wise to bank on huge, quick improvements IMO. It could happen, but it's more realistic to add the biggest talent we possible could and hope the young guys grow next to him and Jimmy.

I pretty much agree with this. In regards to Nunn, I try to not be too low or too high on him. But I do think most of you are overly harse about his age. His age does not cap his potential at all. His age caps how much time he has to reach his potential. I think Nunn has resonablely 2 to 3 years (possibly more as long as his body doesnt breakdown) that he can potentially improve. Nunn is already physically talented enough to play at a high level, his biggest problem is mostly mental. The concern I have is how COVID affects these players ability to improve during the offseason. The plus side is both Nunn and Herro have gotten valuable experience playing in this playoffs. It should extremely increase their learning curve, in fact it should be part of their learning curve. But at the end on the day its up to Nunn and Herro to use the few months off wisely. Nunn as of right now is the most talented player physically to blow by his man than anyone on the team. Its his decisions afterwards that gets him in trouble. Which is understandable because he is a rookie.

One of the reasons I want a veteran point guard that is similar to Nunn physical talent is to help Nunn in his development. I would hope Wade opens the door for Nunn to workout with players like Chris Paul. Nunn has to learn what going on on the court and how to use his body to draw fouls when defenders are scrambling to recover after he blows by them. Chis Paul is great at those type of moves that kept him around for so long. I will never expect Nunn to be a great passer, but I do think he can definitely improve to be a decent passer and it has a lot to do with body position. He puts himself such bad angles or position to pass the ball. He doesnt know how to put the defender in a vulnerable position. Herro is already aware of body positioning for passing, so he is ahead of the game in passing than Nunn.

Nunn bread and better is as a scorer, and he can be a dam good one if he raise his BBall IQ. As a scorer, I think Nunn has the physical talent to draw fouls. Strong kid for his height, very fast and athletic. Nunn is not Rodney McGruder, Nunn is indeed very physically talented player. Nunn has a lot of potential just not a lot of time.


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[AirP.]

This is funny, the reason the trade didn't go through at the deadline was because he wanted a longer contract.

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[Vertical Limit]

Hes going to sign a 4 year 70 million deal for sure..

[RonaldSeikaly]

The priority needs to be on developing Bam, Herro, Duncan, and Nunn, over signing another megasuperstar. Not that we shouldn't if the right opportunity is there, but what this core group of youngsters showed in their first year together was nothing short of spectacular. Let's see how they grow together. Bam and Herro in particular are our future superstars.

Watching game 5 with some friends, we discussed if we would trade Herro for Beal straight up (or with other pieces attached). I was the only one to say hell no. To be fair, those friends went to UF, so they are biased in favor of Beal. I told them all that Herro will be better 7 years from now than Beal is today, and after starting in these finals as a 20 year old has already ingrained himself in Heat legend.

Herro's biggest hindrance right now are the mental mistakes. For every beautiful bucket he made these last two rounds, there was a sloppy mistake in there. Chalk it up to him being a rookie, making his first career starts in the Finals. I have no doubt Pat and Spo will eliminate those mental errors. If he takes the kinds of leaps that Bam has done from year 1 -> 2 -> 3, he's going to be an unstoppable beast sooner than later.

So while signing a supermegaultrastar in free agency over the next couple of seasons would be nice, it should not be at the expense of our young core from this year.

Also, there's no doubt next year will be a tougher road, with KD returning for the Nets and Steph/Klay for the Warriors.

Developing the guys we have is the only thing that is completely in our control. And there is enough talent there to get us back to the finals if everything works out near perfectly.... but it’s not enough to make us the favorites.


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[Flash4thewin]

ESPN NBA power rankings for next season.... Miami Heat #9 ....

The disrespect is real dam.

On the other hand i love it because it give our young players motivation for next season

[RexBoyWonder]

ESPN NBA power rankings for next season.... Miami Heat #9 ....

I couldn't care less about ESPN, BUT...I do feel road is getting harder next year.

Sixers and Celtics will be better. Bucks might too.

And more importantly, I'm having trouble seeing us adding a game changer this offseason. And I think we need to, because the team will be mentally and physically drained after this bubble run.

I Don't want to over-rely on the Rooks, or expect Bam to become Kevin Garnett, or hope Jimmy can average a triple double.

We're a piece away, And that piece is almost impossible to get right now.

Dragic gave everything he had, and he'll continue hopefully for the rest of his career. But Jimmy needs a in-prime, all-star level Guard/wing to help carry the team. Everything else will then fall into place.

[RexBoyWonder]

This is funny, the reason the trade didn't go through at the deadline was because he wanted a longer contract.

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Yea, very strange comment from Gallo conidering.

Maybe he had a change of heart, or maybe he now sees us as a contender, when he didn't before.

This might open the door for a 1 year big money deal. But..that means Goran or Crowder are gone. We cant pay all 3.

[twix2500]

This is funny, the reason the trade didn't go through at the deadline was because he wanted a longer contract.

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Yea, very strange comment from Gallo conidering.

Maybe he had a change of heart, or maybe he now sees us as a contender, when he didn't before.

This might open the door for a 1 year big money deal. But..that means Goran or Crowder are gone. We cant pay all 3.

Probably would move Olynyk to clear room if they go after Gallo

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[wadeskywalker]

This is funny, the reason the trade didn't go through at the deadline was because he wanted a longer contract.

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Yea, very strange comment from Gallo conidering.

Maybe he had a change of heart, or maybe he now sees us as a contender, when he didn't before.

This might open the door for a 1 year big money deal. But..that means Goran or Crowder are gone. We cant pay all 3.

Maybe he intends joining Lakers?

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[RexBoyWonder]

This is funny, the reason the trade didn't go through at the deadline was because he wanted a longer contract.

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Yea, very strange comment from Gallo conidering.

Maybe he had a change of heart, or maybe he now sees us as a contender, when he didn't before.

This might open the door for a 1 year big money deal. But..that means Goran or Crowder are gone. We cant pay all 3.

Maybe he intends joining Lakers?

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FML

[AirP.]

This is funny, the reason the trade didn't go through at the deadline was because he wanted a longer contract.

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Yea, very strange comment from Gallo conidering.

Maybe he had a change of heart, or maybe he now sees us as a contender, when he didn't before.

This might open the door for a 1 year big money deal. But..that means Goran or Crowder are gone. We cant pay all 3.

Sign and trade after you sign the guys you want to keep.

[Bishop45]

Realex, We'll have enough room to add a max salary after this upcoming season. That means we won't need to give up assets and we would keep Bam, Herro, and anyone else we want to keep from this current team.

The best free agents options for the 2021-2022 season are :

1. Giannis
2. Kawhi
3. LBJ and Davis - NOT hapening.
4. Paul George
5. Jrue Holiday
6. Victor Oladipo
7. Justise Winslow

In 2022-2023 these guys become options (But we don't want to wait that long with Jimmy already here) :

1.James Harden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Stephen Curry
4. Bradley Beal
5. Zach LaVine

If Yimmy Harden comes available in the offseason I'd be willing to risk it all to see Harden/Butler/Robinson trio

I don't believe it Bish, Harden looks content to just ride out his career with the Rockets. Unless he has a sudden change of heart and decides to force his way out, I don't see the Rockets ever being the ones to give up on him.

Idk if Harden's content but if he is, I don't see how Tilman is content with them being at abject inflexibility and still not competitive. If they're even 1% open to a rebrand, I don't see how they would scoff at a package that included Herro/Bam

Tough to think about out-loud, but we're not getting a top 5 player via trade without a package that included them both-- none of our other assets combined even comes close

[contract]

A part of me expects a relatively mundane offseason because of the uncertainty regarding the cap. On the other hand I also find it hard to believe that we're gonna use the 20th pick and draft somebody we're actually gonna keep.

I think the opposite. Teams caps will be squeezed. Taxes will be owed. This is the stuff Pat Riley dreams about. While everyone else is running from the brushfire, Pat will be picking off rabbits.

That's assuming that the NBA doesn't just decide to blow off the tax due to the covid apocalypse.

[Vertical Limit]

Ive seen players like Gallo talk that nonsense about competing for championships, just to end up signing with a team that is no where near a championship because of the money

Just wait, he’s going to sign for 70-80 million for some loser franchise like the Magic or the Knicks. Then we are going to be like what happened to that talk about competing?

[contract]

The priority needs to be on developing Bam, Herro, Duncan, and Nunn, over signing another megasuperstar. Not that we shouldn't if the right opportunity is there, but what this core group of youngsters showed in their first year together was nothing short of spectacular. Let's see how they grow together. Bam and Herro in particular are our future superstars...

I'm old enough to remember when Josh Richardson was our future star. If you aren't a superstar today you better keep your bags packed, because you are a trade chip. Pat will trade potential for proven players every time.

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[twix2500]

The priority needs to be on developing Bam, Herro, Duncan, and Nunn, over signing another megasuperstar. Not that we shouldn't if the right opportunity is there, but what this core group of youngsters showed in their first year together was nothing short of spectacular. Let's see how they grow together. Bam and Herro in particular are our future superstars...

I'm old enough to remember when Josh Richardson was our future star. If you aren't a superstar today you better keep your bags packed, because you are a trade chip. Pat will trade potential for proven players every time.

Riley tossed Caron Butler and Odom quick for old 2 yr window Shaq. People do it every time. I almost got banned from the Lakers room when I told them their young players and draft picks were nothing but trade chips when Lebron signed. They tried to tell me Lebron went to LA because he wanted to play with the ypung promising talent

Few fans watch BBall to see a young player grow up, most people and all teams do not. Watching Justise Winslow development was excruciating to me. I get it thou I was hurt when Steve Smith was traded. But I quickly learned I enjoyed watching Zo and Timmy 100x more than Glenn Rice and Rony Seikley

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[Heat3]

The priority needs to be on developing Bam, Herro, Duncan, and Nunn, over signing another megasuperstar. Not that we shouldn't if the right opportunity is there, but what this core group of youngsters showed in their first year together was nothing short of spectacular. Let's see how they grow together. Bam and Herro in particular are our future superstars...

I'm old enough to remember when Josh Richardson was our future star. If you aren't a superstar today you better keep your bags packed, because you are a trade chip. Pat will trade potential for proven players every time.

Riley tossed Caron Butler and Odom quick for old 2 yr window Shaq. People do it every time. I almost got banned from the Lakers room when I told them their young players and draft picks were nothing but trade chips when Lebron signed. They tried to tell me Lebron went to LA because he wanted to play with the ypung promising talent

Few fans watch BBall to see a young player grow up, most people and all teams do not. Watching Justise Winslow development was excruciating to me. I get it thou I was hurt when Steve Smith was traded. But I quickly learned I enjoyed watching Zo and Timmy 100x more than Glenn Rice and Rony Seikley

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That one hurt bad, but truth be told he wouldn't even make my all-time heat team now. Even though he was my favorite as a youngster.

I think Bam is untradable in Pat's eyes, but the other guys can all be trade chips even though I'm sure he'd prefer to keep Tyler. Nunn has trade piece written all over him but I hope he stays.

[daviddpc]

Trade Nun & Kelly 1 pick 2020-2021 for Jrue Holiday