Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[SoFlaKingReal]

If contracts were not an issue, I would love to have Chris Paul here. I have not seen good PG play here in a long time.

Dragic is a fine player, but he’s more of a slashing/shooting combo guard...the Heat haven’t seen true point guard play since what Jason Williams?

[HeatGuyInChicago]

Let me restate that. I mean elite PG play.

[DayofMourning]

Yeah, Goran's definitely a combo. PG in name only. That's why I don't abide by traditional positioning labels. Just because he shows up on the boxscore as a PG, doesn't mean that's what he is. CP3 on the other hand...

[twix2500]

I totally understand the contract with the age issue. But Paul as a player I would completely be excited watching Paul with the Heat. If you want the unproven guys to get shots then you should want Paul.

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[Bishop45]

Herro isn't ready to start, yet. Watch everything beyond his pull-up shooting and the couple dimes he dropped and he will have a hard time staying on the court at an NBA level. For him to be effective its going to have to be against the 2nd string guys, at least in the beginning.

Herro's already a starter on a playoff team for most who seen him wild out in SL

Dion's literally our best off-ball shooter, but he's a lesser player than Herro... Bold strategy, we'll see how it works out cotton

[Sgt P]

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Dude... you can't do that. We already have Doc and myself.We are not doing a "P" collection... smh

[rate_]

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Dude... you can't do that. We already have Doc and myself.We are not doing a "P" collection... smh

I think the only reason why they are considering Dion off the bench is because of his ball stopping tendencies. Dion will be solid as an off shooter if he is OK with that role.

[MartyConlonJr]

I looked at every roster to see if any other team would be interested in Paul and we are really competing against ourselves. I think all the options are:
- Trade CP3 for Wiggins: Can't imagine OKC taking on a 4th year though Wiggins could fit more with a youth movement in OKC rebuild. Minny gets someone to feed KAT and ends contract a year earlier.
- Knicks trade a few of those short term contracts for Paul to run the show, feed the young guys and train up DSJr and Ntikilina in the process. This seems not so different to OKC though in terms of where the team is at in their rebuild, but is for a bigger market where his name may sell tickets and jerseys. Knicks have preached patience in this rebuild though and this would seem in conflict with that
- OKC organises a buyout with Paul immediately e.g. 30 mill total off his contract (10 mill per season) and just eats 30 mill a year on their cap for the next 3 years so as not to have a malcontent there. Paul signs somewhere on a 2 or 3 year contract for MLE and gets most of it back. This lets OKC keep picks, earn good stead with Paul, his agent and perception in the league and allows young guys to develop. On the other hand, in a vacuum you are saying Miami's 2 picks (likely in the 20's) you would pay $60 million to have (or whatever the difference between the salaries Miami gave you back would be in an offer like Dragic, JJ and Dion). There are two versions of This option. One where you stretch, one where you don't. I assume no stretch as there is no immediate need for cap space now, but there will be later.
- Keep Paul till trade deadline and try to beef up his value, lessen overall length of contract organically and try to trade at that point. Risk is alienating young guys, having a grumpy Paul and risking injury making that contract even less movable.
- A combination of 2 of the above is you basically let him play out one full season (all the same problems as options above in stifling youth, grumpy Paul) then buyout/waive after season. If you wait until end August next year you can stretch only the final year. Absorbing full cap hit in 2nd year, with the last year stretched across 3. This means only a 14 mill or whatever cap hit which isnt as much a killer.
- As above option, wait 1 year then look to trade. Many repeated problems in stifling youth and grumpy paul but more favourable trade propositions
- Convince Paul to waive player option. Basically not happening. Can't see this one.
- Just play the whole contract out, mad Paul, stifled youth, full picks, draft a couple guys in the 20s to show for it from Miami picks
- Trade with Miami give back both picks (maybe give other things like 2nd rounders and cash as well IMO) for some poo-poo platter of 1 and 2 year contracts that are not in our future e.g. Dragic and 2 of Dion, JJ and Olynyk

It really sounds like the Miami offer (if it exists) is the necessary evil. Still from a Miami point of view, it makes me unsettled and tells me we should not do it

[SoFlaKingReal]

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[insfo]

For Bish

[MettaWorldPanda]

For Bish

Keeping doubting this man. He coming for blood this year.

[fishfuego.]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

I agree with this^. I think Herro will have to prove to Spo that he is beyond ready lol. For what I saw in SL, Herro had some elite passing going on, with his shooting and everything else he seems able to do, it would be a good compliment to start with Butler and specially Winslow if he is the starter.

I agree entirely, but I would temper expectations a bit. It's summer league. He was playing against guys who won't make rosters, guys on two way deals, and rookies. It's going to be very different when he's facing off against viable NBA starters in rigid, well rehearsed NBA systems.

Yes I also agree with what you’re saying here and on what you said on the post above. Dragic is a proven player who had an injury. He will be the starting PG IMHO. Unless traded lol.

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I just checked the salaries, and this will end up with us taking an additional 6 mil+, which I don't think is possible since we are up against the hard cap. Plug needs to up his game!

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I agree with this^. I think Herro will have to prove to Spo that he is beyond ready lol. For what I saw in SL, Herro had some elite passing going on, with his shooting and everything else he seems able to do, it would be a good compliment to start with Butler and specially Winslow if he is the starter.

I agree entirely, but I would temper expectations a bit. It's summer league. He was playing against guys who won't make rosters, guys on two way deals, and rookies. It's going to be very different when he's facing off against viable NBA starters in rigid, well rehearsed NBA systems.

Yes I also agree with what you’re saying here and on what you said on the post above. Dragic is a proven player who had an injury. He will be the starting PG IMHO. Unless traded lol.

Plus we have to up his trade value! Unless he's traded before then, there is no way that Dragic is not the starter when the season begins.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Savage Philly is byke. Believe that

[Rapaz]

POST A BUTTPLUG TWEET AGAIN!

I dare you.

I double-dare you, mother ****!

Post a Buttplug tweet one more goddamn time.

[MettaWorldPanda]

POST A BUTTPLUG TWEET AGAIN! I dare you. I double-dare you, mother ****! Post a Buttplug tweet one more goddamn time.

I'm just waiting for buttplug to give us the insider on De Culo.

[SoFlaKingReal]

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Attack of the butt plug!

I just checked the salaries, and this will end up with us taking an additional 6 mil+, which I don't think is possible since we are up against the hard cap. Plug needs to up his game!

Yes, we would need to be sending out more money. This guy is most likely full of sh*t lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm telling you all right now. 7-11 is going to be starting and thriving with buckets this year. Keep dropping Winslow into your fake starting lineups all you want. Winnie is going to captain the second team and be the swiss army off the bench. Riley basically told you all to stop penciling Winslow into where you want. I think Winslow has a great year for the record and will be the reason we win a ton of games but it's going to come as 6th man of the year.

[fishfuego.]

Plus we have to up his trade value! Unless he's traded before then, there is no way that Dragic is not the starter when the season begins.