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Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It? 

Post#521 » by County of Wade » Sat Nov 9, 2019 10:27 pm

KO is out there to open up the paint for everyone. He has the green light to shoot. Just his threat to shoot still opens up things for everyone. He's unfortunately struggling big time right now though.

Bam needs to become a threat to shoot though. Bigs having to close on him, with his athleticism and passing ability, would open up so much for both himself and everyone else.
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Post#522 » by Kobewade11 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 10:30 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Back to BBall talk. This is what is most frustrating, Bam with only 7 shot attempts in 39 mins. Olynyk with 11 shot attempts in 28 mins. There needs to be emphasis from coaches on getting Bam more shot attempts, and stop using Olynyk as a go too scorer. It was cute a few years ago when the Heat had no one to go too. But now it's ridiculous.

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I dont think they’re using Olynyk as a go to scorer, he’s just more aggressive in his shot attempts. How many times do we watch Bam freeze with the ball in his looking to pass instead of taking an open shot? Cant really blame the coaches if a guy just doesnt have that aggression in him.
You can blame the coaches. It's their job to teach the player the role they want in the offense.Olynyk didn't come to the Heat with the mind frame to jake up all the shots he does.The coaches pushed him too, he said that his first year. It was new to him and adjustment he had to make. Spo was publically saying Olynyk wasn't taking enough shots. You don't hear no talk about Bam needing to take more shots. I remember Olynyk saying he had to seek advice from Ellington on playing how Spo wants him to play.

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Olynyk shot attempts per game with Boston: 7.6
Olynyk shot attempts per game with Miami: 7.4

Maybe he had to quote unquote learn how to play within Spo’s system, but the myth of him coming here and learning to jack up shots is exactly that, a myth.
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Post#524 » by Bishop45 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 11:10 pm

County of Wade wrote:KO is out there to open up the paint for everyone. He has the green light to shoot. Just his threat to shoot still opens up things for everyone. He's unfortunately struggling big time right now though.

Bam needs to become a threat to shoot though. Bigs having to close on him, with his athleticism and passing ability, would open up so much for both himself and everyone else.


Man Bam with a drive and kick game would be next level. 'specially with his free throw rate
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Post#525 » by twix2500 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 11:13 pm

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I dont think they’re using Olynyk as a go to scorer, he’s just more aggressive in his shot attempts. How many times do we watch Bam freeze with the ball in his looking to pass instead of taking an open shot? Cant really blame the coaches if a guy just doesnt have that aggression in him.
You can blame the coaches. It's their job to teach the player the role they want in the offense.Olynyk didn't come to the Heat with the mind frame to jake up all the shots he does.The coaches pushed him too, he said that his first year. It was new to him and adjustment he had to make. Spo was publically saying Olynyk wasn't taking enough shots. You don't hear no talk about Bam needing to take more shots. I remember Olynyk saying he had to seek advice from Ellington on playing how Spo wants him to play.

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Olynyk shot attempts per game with Boston: 7.6
Olynyk shot attempts per game with Miami: 7.4

Maybe he had to quote unquote learn how to play within Spo’s system, but the myth of him coming here and learning to jack up shots is exactly that, a myth.


When I say jacking up shots I mean 3 pointers especially in crunch time. We are not talking about general shot attempts when I say jacking up shots . His 3 point shot attempts has increase at the request of Spo.

So let's set this straight, kobewade are you fine with Olynyk jacking up a bunch of 3s (clarify jacking up shots) in crunch time? Especially now that the Heat have alternative shooters? I wanna be clear on where u stand, and just not trying to just find a hole in my argument that may be irrelevant. I'm trying to solve a problem to get the best players the shots.

It was fine when the heat don't have an alternative. The Isaiah Thomas Celtics who didnt have alternative scorers and the first two years of the Heat were the same. It's time for Bam to take someone attempts and KO is the one who should be taking less. The Heat are not gonna increase their shot attempts so someone has to give up shots for Bam. It's that simple.

Now I'm not saying KO shouldn't shoot the ball. I'm saying the ball should not end up in his hands so much in the first place. The first year the Heat ran offense through him more, as a decision maker. That's because they had sucky offensive players. Now it's running through Bam more and ending in KO hands to shoot way too much. I want Bam to at the very least be in the 13 shot attempts range. And not all being13 alley oops.

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Post#526 » by twix2500 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 11:19 pm

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County of Wade wrote:KO is out there to open up the paint for everyone. He has the green light to shoot. Just his threat to shoot still opens up things for everyone. He's unfortunately struggling big time right now though.

Bam needs to become a threat to shoot though. Bigs having to close on him, with his athleticism and passing ability, would open up so much for both himself and everyone else.


Man Bam with a drive and kick game would be next level. 'specially with his free throw rate
Bish, that would be nice but that is not the scheme and role Bam is in. CoW, I understand he spreads the floor for others. But I'm speaking in the context of Bam. And making Bam more of a scoring option.

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Post#527 » by twix2500 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 11:33 pm

I knew Bam attempts were low, but I just looked at it. 7.6 attempts a game, that is too freaking low. He can do a lot more, hell he scoring at 54%. He can take 5 more attempt from somebody, instead of passing so much.
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Post#528 » by Kobewade11 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 11:36 pm

Your reply was too much text for me to wanna read on my phone, just saying its up to Bam to be aggressive with his shot attempts.
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Post#529 » by AirP. » Sat Nov 9, 2019 11:51 pm

kobewade11 wrote:Your reply was too much text for me to wanna read on my phone, just saying its up to Bam to be aggressive with his shot attempts.

How the roster is constructed, Bam is way too important on the defensive end to chance some offensive fouls.
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Post#530 » by AirP. » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:10 am

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Post#531 » by County of Wade » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:28 am

twix2500 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
County of Wade wrote:KO is out there to open up the paint for everyone. He has the green light to shoot. Just his threat to shoot still opens up things for everyone. He's unfortunately struggling big time right now though.

Bam needs to become a threat to shoot though. Bigs having to close on him, with his athleticism and passing ability, would open up so much for both himself and everyone else.


Man Bam with a drive and kick game would be next level. 'specially with his free throw rate
Bish, that would be nice but that is not the scheme and role Bam is in. CoW, I understand he spreads the floor for others. But I'm speaking in the context of Bam. And making Bam more of a scoring option.

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There are multiple times a game where Bam gets the ball at the elbow and doesnt even look at the rim. He immediately looks to hand the ball off to someone else or looks for a cutter. He's a great passer so it doesnt hurt too much, but in those situations, he could be more aggressive.

Its really on him to develop a J, or at least to confidently take them. It would open up much more things for him and the Heat. Pick and pops, pump fakes and drives, drive and kicks, etc.
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Post#532 » by al bondiga » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:32 am

Bishop45 wrote:Bam needs to shoot the dam 3, that's a large part of why Kelly shoots more. He's not going to be a low-post or mid-post guy, that much should be known. Just embrace the shot big fella
I know KO is not known for his post presence but maybe he should, he is somehow sneaky and has an okay footwork, maybe he could learn ...we don't have many options unless we get a good player via trade
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Post#533 » by puppa bear » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:12 am

County of Wade wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
Man Bam with a drive and kick game would be next level. 'specially with his free throw rate
Bish, that would be nice but that is not the scheme and role Bam is in. CoW, I understand he spreads the floor for others. But I'm speaking in the context of Bam. And making Bam more of a scoring option.

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There are multiple times a game where Bam gets the ball at the elbow and doesnt even look at the rim. He immediately looks to hand the ball off to someone else or looks for a cutter. He's a great passer so it doesnt hurt too much, but in those situations, he could be more aggressive.

Its really on him to develop a J, or at least to confidently take them. It would open up much more things for him and the Heat. Pick and pops, pump fakes and drives, drive and kicks, etc.

A mid-range like KG had would drag bigs out to him and allow for him to put it on the floor and get to the rim. His passing will mean he gets more people more open looks.

Wasn’t he advertised as having more of a jumper than was shown in college? What’s happened to that?
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Post#534 » by County of Wade » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:45 am

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Miami Heat guard Dion Waiters experienced a panic attack on the team's charter flight Thursday night after consuming a THC-infused edible, sources told ESPN.

Waiters received medical treatment after the plane landed in Los Angeles following the Heat's victory over the Phoenix Suns. Waiters was listed as out for Friday's game against the Lakers due to illness and did not attend the game.

Waiters missed the game in Phoenix because of a stomach ache and was seeking relief when he took the edible that he was unfamiliar with, sources said. League rules prohibit the use of THC.

The Heat declined to comment.

He did fly back to Miami with the Heat Saturday.


Good news was that it was a panic attack and not a seizure.
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Post#535 » by Kobewade11 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:51 am

League rules prohibit the use of THC

The bad news for Dion is he’s gone for a loong time
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Post#536 » by Bishop45 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:57 am

League finna put the paws on Dion

Pretty interesting considering the recent drug related suspensions. Godspeed
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Post#537 » by Kobewade11 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:05 am

Interestingly enough I read Sefolosha got 5 games for weed and that was after failing multiple tests. I guess the league is a little harsher on PEDs unless you’re doing hard drugs like Tyreke Evans. But that this took place on a team plane I can see them putting a little extra on it, he’ll probably get an additional suspension from the team too.
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Post#538 » by County of Wade » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:07 am

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League rules prohibit the use of THC

The bad news for Dion is he’s gone for a loong time

Not really. Depends on how many tests he's failed:

NBA policy: No offseason tests. During the regular season, players are subject to four random tests.

Punishment: 1st positive test: Enter substance abuse program. 2nd: $25,000 fine. 3rd: Five-game suspension, and five more games are added to each ensuing positive test.

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Post#540 » by KingDavid » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:15 am

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