Offseason Thread VOL 5 - I WILL BRING LIGHT

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Fellas, my good friend golfed with Randy Embry (former Heat scout responsible for us drafting Wade and to a lesser extent Bam and Herro) today and he pretty much backed what ICC said. We’re close on getting KD.

He didn’t go into specifics on the trade package but he said Pat is a little worried about KDs work ethic and if he has that dog in him to play for the Heat because the Heat operate so different than everyone else and are hardcore.

He said he’s a little worried on how him and Jimmy would play together because Jimmy is so hardcore.

He wasn’t big on Dipo lol says he’s an athlete first and needs to work on his shot more if he wants to keep taking all the big shots he takes

Don't lie to me. Don't do this. Is this true?

On everything I love this was just texted to me about 20 minutes ago.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Choose your words wisely…if It happens you and icc are forever legends

If it doesn’t…then you are on mine and everyone else’s poopoo list

Hey it is what it is lol, I’m not saying I have an inside source at all or anyone within the organization like our guy ICC has but this was literally just texted to me about 15 minutes ago from my friend who just finished up playing golf with him. Said all Randy’s golf stuff is decked out with Heat logos

I am all decked out with Heat logos, does that make me a scout?

It depends, can I google your name and back it up? Can we see you face to face to ensure you’re who your say your are?

[HeatingUp3]

We are in the frozen zone right now. Let's hope we break the ice.

[AirP.]

Lol I knew what was in that spoiler box before even clicking it

It's the easiest example. I could have put the play where he got the ball completely open in the corner and waited for the defender to go from the middle of the lane to the 3pt line to contest the shot.

Spoiler:

Um that was from the 2021 season. If it's so easy to find these plays I'd think you wouldn't have to reach to a completely different season

He's a 22yo SG, I'm sure there's plays in his career where his shot selection might be questionable. Just as there are for virtually every 22yo SG in NBA history

It coming from his 2nd year on a team that just lost in the finals makes it even worse. It seems pretty disrespectful to teammates to do that type of S)($.

But go ahead, keep making excuses. I'm fine saying he's skilled offensively, I'm also fine with looking at his complete game objectively. If he was dropping a very efficient 21 ppg off the bench I probably see him in a different light but then again his efficiency is probably much higher if he isn't throwing away possessions like he does.

Here's from this year's playoffs for you against Atlanta.

He's calling for the ball near the end of the shot clock, why not come towards the ball vs go to half court to get the pass with NOBODY around him?

Spoiler:

He's completely out of the shot, why? There's 3.9 seconds left on the shot clock and the ball isn't even to him yet.

[DayofMourning]

I still say you build thru the draft, get lucky, and build a long term team.

However, if we get Durant, we've gotten a generational talent 3 times during Rileys tenure.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

It's the easiest example. I could have put the play where he got the ball completely open in the corner and waited for the defender to go from the middle of the lane to the 3pt line to contest the shot.

Spoiler:

Um that was from the 2021 season. If it's so easy to find these plays I'd think you wouldn't have to reach to a completely different season

He's a 22yo SG, I'm sure there's plays in his career where his shot selection might be questionable. Just as there are for virtually every 22yo SG in NBA history

It coming from his 2nd year on a team that just lost in the finals makes it even worse. It seems pretty disrespectful to teammates to do that type of S)($.

But go ahead, keep making excuses. I'm fine saying he's skilled offensively, I'm also fine with looking at his complete game objectively. If he was dropping a very efficient 21 ppg off the bench I probably see him in a different light but then again his efficiency is probably much higher if he isn't throwing away possessions like he does.

Ok but I was comparing Herro to Barrett and you come in with an example of poor shot selection from Herro

Again, Barrett posted a 51% TS on 41/34/71 shooting splits. If we're talking shot selection then most of Barrett's FGAs were poor shot selection based on his horrendous efficiency

[AirP.]

Um that was from the 2021 season. If it's so easy to find these plays I'd think you wouldn't have to reach to a completely different season

He's a 22yo SG, I'm sure there's plays in his career where his shot selection might be questionable. Just as there are for virtually every 22yo SG in NBA history

It coming from his 2nd year on a team that just lost in the finals makes it even worse. It seems pretty disrespectful to teammates to do that type of S)($.

But go ahead, keep making excuses. I'm fine saying he's skilled offensively, I'm also fine with looking at his complete game objectively. If he was dropping a very efficient 21 ppg off the bench I probably see him in a different light but then again his efficiency is probably much higher if he isn't throwing away possessions like he does.

Ok but I was comparing Herro to Barrett and you come in with an example of poor shot selection from Herro

Again, Barrett posted a 51% TS on 41/34/71 shooting splits. If we're talking shot selection then most of Barrett's FGAs were poor shot selection based on his horrendous efficiency

Right, one is a 2 way player that doesn't take crazy ass shots, the other could be a big scorer who takes some highly questionable shots, I easily take RJ before Herro and to me it's not a hard decision.

I also can see why someone may pick Herro over RJ because of the scoring potential, this is probably why there's such a wide difference of reported opinions from GMs on Herro.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

On RJ and Herro, I can see the rumors being true. RJ was far more highly touted coming out of high school, is an inch taller, weighs 20 more pounds, has a 7 inch longer wingspan etc. he just has far more physical tools and better athleticism than Herro and that can’t be taught. It’s not surprising to me if execs view him as having more potential than Herro.

Context matters too, RJ was a starter and the go to option on the Knicks and was gameplanned as such. Herro came off the bench and got to warm up against bench players while being gameplanned for less. Just is what it is.

Time will tell, but not surprising at all to me.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

It coming from his 2nd year on a team that just lost in the finals makes it even worse. It seems pretty disrespectful to teammates to do that type of S)($.

But go ahead, keep making excuses. I'm fine saying he's skilled offensively, I'm also fine with looking at his complete game objectively. If he was dropping a very efficient 21 ppg off the bench I probably see him in a different light but then again his efficiency is probably much higher if he isn't throwing away possessions like he does.

Ok but I was comparing Herro to Barrett and you come in with an example of poor shot selection from Herro

Again, Barrett posted a 51% TS on 41/34/71 shooting splits. If we're talking shot selection then most of Barrett's FGAs were poor shot selection based on his horrendous efficiency

Right, one is a 2 way player that doesn't take crazy ass shots, the other could be a big scorer who takes some highly questionable shots, I easily take RJ before Herro and to me it's not a hard decision.

How do you know Barrett doesn't take bad shots? He took more shots than Herro despite being SIGNIFICANTLY less efficient. A 51% TS player taking over 17 shots/game is by definition taking bad shots

And how are you sure he's a 2 way player? Knicks were 5.6 points per 100 possessions WORSE defensively with Barrett on the floor. Even your beloved individual DRTG says Herro is the better defender. I don't agree with that, individual ORTG/DRTG are pretty close to worthless stats, and I think Barrett is the better defender or at least has the potential to be, but the question is whether the gap in defense is so great as to overcome Barrett's offense-killing combo of high volume and brutal inefficiency

[Daffy]

Fellas, my good friend golfed with Randy Embry (former Heat scout responsible for us drafting Wade and to a lesser extent Bam and Herro) today and he pretty much backed what ICC said. We’re close on getting KD.

He didn’t go into specifics on the trade package but he said Pat is a little worried about KDs work ethic and if he has that dog in him to play for the Heat because the Heat operate so different than everyone else and are hardcore.

He said he’s a little worried on how him and Jimmy would play together because Jimmy is so hardcore.

He wasn’t big on Dipo lol says he’s an athlete first and needs to work on his shot more if he wants to keep taking all the big shots he takes

Don't lie to me. Don't do this. Is this true?

On everything I love this was just texted to me about 20 minutes ago.

I believe you.

[greg4012]

Suns fans are absolutely convinced they will be landing KD in this mega deal with Mitchell going to the Nets.

Suns are new to this. TBD if they’re true to this. My guess is they’re bait, line sinker hooked on to the prevailing media narratives (like half our fanbase seems to be on here).

Reality lies in the margins of the prevailing media updates

[Daffy]

I wonder what's the main hold up. Sounds like everything is pretty much in place according to inside sources.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

If this is the case and the KD stuff falls apart we should be able to do something to get Mitchell

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I wonder what's the main hold up. Sounds like everything is pretty much in place according to inside sources.

Yea now that what ICCs insider has been saying is confirmed I have no clue what the hold up could even be. Maybe just trying to find ways to bring in an additional pick or 2 like we’ve been talking about

[SoFlaKingReal]

Read on Twitter

Everyone in PHX is being fed the same info...

[DayofMourning]

I say we need a six team trade. Has there ever been one? Let's make history.

[heatwillbeback]

I say we need a six team trade. Has there ever been one? Let's make history.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1343542/amp

I believe our 2005 trade still is the record.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

My bad, Randy isn’t a former scout he actually still scouts for the Heat. He’s just so old I figured he was done by now. He told my boy he probably only has 1-2 years left though but he’ll see. He said as long as he can still walk into the gym and remember where his car is after he’s going to keep scouting lol

[SoFlaKingReal]

From Randy Embry's Bio on Heat website:

"Prior to his coaching career, Embry played four seasons of college basketball and baseball at the University of Kentucky (1961-65). On the basketball court, he played under the tutelage of legendary coach Adolph Rupp and was a teammate of HEAT President Pat Riley."


Pat takes care of his own man....plus maybe this guy really does have info straight from Pat.

[insfo]

On the Barrett vs Herro value argument, Bill Simmons seem to give the edge Herro. I think both Ainge and him were heartbroken when we picked Tyler, so let's see.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/7/11/23203674/bill-simmons-nba-trade-value-2022-summer-list