Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[ShulaDon92]

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

I'm skeptical of how the spacing of that actually works on the court. Especially in playoff basketball. If Porzingis isn't spacing the floor, Bam absolutely will not be either. Jimmy f**ked

Bingo.

-SHULA

[AirP.]

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

I'm skeptical of how the spacing of that actually works on the court. Especially in playoff basketball. If Porzingis isn't spacing the floor, Bam absolutely will not be either. Jimmy f**ked

Not exactly, you put Bam in the dunker's spot and pick and pop with Butler and Porzingis, I think it would work well with the PG and SG out beyond the 3pt line. It would be nearly perfect for all of them in crunch time.

[greg4012]

Exactly. This is just spit ball fan lore. I thought about this same deal a few hours ago then completely back tracked off of it. It's better for us to just keep Herro for his age and salary compared to Beal and just add Porzingis. This deal has zero regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Wouldn't Porzingis extension just be filling the salary going out of Lowry and Oladipio?

Would it? If he plays like he did this season, I'm certain his looking for a large pay day. We're starting to talk all of our salary dedicated to these 3 players. While there's a synergy between Bam and KP's game, KP would absolutely have to modify his offensive playing style and likely reduce total impact. THe overlap makes it a bit of a bind if his cost gets too high--hence the reference to tax penalties and cap restrictions.

[ShulaDon92]

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

I'm skeptical of how the spacing of that actually works on the court. Especially in playoff basketball. If Porzingis isn't spacing the floor, Bam absolutely will not be either. Jimmy f**ked

Not exactly, you put Bam in the dunker's spot and pick and pop with Butler and Porzingis, I think it would work well with the PG and SG out beyond the 3pt line. It would be nearly perfect for all of them in crunch time.

Nope. Not enough space for all of this. Turnovers and strips galore. Especially bam and Porzingis

-SHULA

[greg4012]

Nah you keep Porzingis in his stregthn which is the paint, he has the size advantage. Then you make Bam strictly feast on his best attribute, high energy, rim rolling, high post dribble drive big still capable of giving you an easy 20ppg. Bam will make Porzingis life very easy with his passing, and Porzingis will make Bams life easy when he is rolling. Perfect match.

Then your clogging jimmys game. Not gonna work

-SHULA

Jimmy's game doesn't start until the 7 minute mark of the 4th quarter. He seems to like it that way.

If only it were so simple. If Jimmy is on the court and not playing his game. the defender will sag all the way into the paint. Porzingis inherently needs to be a floor spacer first when he's playing with both Jimmy and Bam on the floor. If not, it's a paint party for the defense and Miami isn't invited

[ShulaDon92]

One could argue that the trading for Porzingis with intent to sign him to an even larger deal is what really has no regard for the massive tax penalties and cap restrictions in the future.

I like the fit with Bam and in a vacuum, I love adding Porzingis. But, the reality is that he wants to generate the majority of his offense in the paint so there's an inherent sacrifice in his game and diminution of net offensive impact if he's forced to become just a spot up floor spacer for the majority of his minutes on the floor--see Brook Lopez in MIL after being a 20+ ppg scorer. The question becomes viability of dedicating a huge chunk of salary cap to such a role.

Wouldn't Porzingis extension just be filling the salary going out of Lowry and Oladipio?

Would it? If he plays like he did this season, I'm certain his looking for a large pay day. We're starting to talk all of our salary dedicated to these 3 players. While there's a synergy between Bam and KP's game, KP would absolutely have to modify his offensive playing style and likely reduce total impact. THe overlap makes it a bit of a bind if his cost gets too high--hence the reference to tax penalties and cap restrictions.

Agreed w this too. Very pricey .

-SHULA

[twozeroMM]

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Toronto is one team that could push the reset and would probably welcome both Simons and Scoot to take the place of Trent and Van Vleet. They have also dealt with Portland in the past.

I hate to hear this, but realistically speaking that would be a great move for both Portland and Toronto.

Siakam is a great 2nd option, and Toronto using the pick on Scoot or Miller to build around either + Scottie is a great duo for the future.

[AirP.]

I'm skeptical of how the spacing of that actually works on the court. Especially in playoff basketball. If Porzingis isn't spacing the floor, Bam absolutely will not be either. Jimmy f**ked

Not exactly, you put Bam in the dunker's spot and pick and pop with Butler and Porzingis, I think it would work well with the PG and SG out beyond the 3pt line. It would be nearly perfect for all of them in crunch time.

Nope. Not enough space for all of this. Turnovers and strips galore. Especially bam and Porzingis

-SHULA

What? Butler would be handling the ball. I think it would be nearly unstoppable, the weakest link would be an open baseline jumper by Bam.

[greg4012]

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Toronto is one team that could push the reset and would probably welcome both Simons and Scoot to take the place of Trent and Van Vleet. They have also dealt with Portland in the past.

I hate to hear this, but realistically speaking that would be a great move for both Portland and Toronto.

Siakam is a great 2nd option, and Toronto using the pick on Scoot or Miller to build around either + Scottie is a great duo for the future.

Portland shipping away Simons & #3 for an expiring Pascal Siakam deal is terrible for Portland. Siakam and Grant would form the worst rebounding frontcourt in the NBA and then Portland will have to give in to paying Siakam a max contract that sees him making over $50M when he's 34 years old.

Siakam is not worth the #3 pick and Simons

[greg4012]

Not exactly, you put Bam in the dunker's spot and pick and pop with Butler and Porzingis, I think it would work well with the PG and SG out beyond the 3pt line. It would be nearly perfect for all of them in crunch time.

Nope. Not enough space for all of this. Turnovers and strips galore. Especially bam and Porzingis

-SHULA

What? Butler would be handling the ball. I think it would be nearly unstoppable, the weakest link would be an open baseline jumper by Bam.

Are you assuming Porzingis playing in a 3-point shooter spot on the perimeter? In that sense, it's great. The concern is that his best offense seems to come when about 2/3 of it is generated in the paint area

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Toronto is one team that could push the reset and would probably welcome both Simons and Scoot to take the place of Trent and Van Vleet. They have also dealt with Portland in the past.

I hate to hear this, but realistically speaking that would be a great move for both Portland and Toronto.

Siakam is a great 2nd option, and Toronto using the pick on Scoot or Miller to build around either + Scottie is a great duo for the future.

Portland shipping away Simons & #3 for an expiring Pascal Siakam deal is terrible for Portland. Siakam and Grant would form the worst rebounding frontcourt in the NBA and then Portland will have to give in to paying Siakam a max contract that sees him making over $50M when he's 34 years old.

Siakam is not worth the #3 pick and Simons

Of course more would be involved just talking about the mere basics of what a deal would look like. No different then force feeding Herro and garbage down Portland's throat for Dame.

[dean456]

These trades don't happen because the team can usually get more per piece in individual trades.

This may be true in normal circumstances but Porzingis being a FA and able to leave now and Beal having a no trade clause and being able to dictate where he goes and approve/decline any package proposed then Washington really have no say in where they shop the two players. They can't get counter offers from other teams because both players can decline to go to those teams. Beal and Porzingis are in complete control of their destination.

Washington can always not trade Porzingis and let him walk for nothing and hold Beal hostage and not trade him, but that is not a smart move when Beal is owed 207mil over the next 4yrs and getting a FRP for Porzingis is better than nothing.

They can keep Porzingis and S&T him next year if they don't up their offer to extend him. It's such a gamble for an injury prone player to move forward without a multiyear contract. The small issue is that they already paid Gafford midlevel type money to play center and would love to see him coming off the bench in Miami. If Bam continues to work on his 3 maybe pair them up.

Porzingis doesn't opt into his player option unless there's already a deal being discussed. He's likely on the move and the framework of a deal is already in place. A team is not going to make him opt in then start discussing potential deals and then back out and force him to stay when he could have become a FA.

[greg4012]

I hate to hear this, but realistically speaking that would be a great move for both Portland and Toronto.

Siakam is a great 2nd option, and Toronto using the pick on Scoot or Miller to build around either + Scottie is a great duo for the future.

Portland shipping away Simons & #3 for an expiring Pascal Siakam deal is terrible for Portland. Siakam and Grant would form the worst rebounding frontcourt in the NBA and then Portland will have to give in to paying Siakam a max contract that sees him making over $50M when he's 34 years old.

Siakam is not worth the #3 pick and Simons

Of course more would be involved just talking about the mere basics of what a deal would look like. No different then force feeding Herro and garbage down Portland's throat for Dame.

I've seen Portland fans rejecting this exact deal left and right all over the internet. The more matters A LOT. Just like the "more" in any hypothetical Heat-Dame trade being generating a ton of picks (likely including finding a third team for Herro). Not that I think a Dame to Miami deal is actually happening.

The more in the Toronto case would inherently need to be more than just Siakam. Siakam for #3 is a bad deal as it is. Adding Simons makes it poopoo platter

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We need to be talking to the Nets and Pacers to try and have them trade us their 2 1sts to move up to 18.

An extra tradeable pick for us

[AirP.]

This may be true in normal circumstances but Porzingis being a FA and able to leave now and Beal having a no trade clause and being able to dictate where he goes and approve/decline any package proposed then Washington really have no say in where they shop the two players. They can't get counter offers from other teams because both players can decline to go to those teams. Beal and Porzingis are in complete control of their destination.

Washington can always not trade Porzingis and let him walk for nothing and hold Beal hostage and not trade him, but that is not a smart move when Beal is owed 207mil over the next 4yrs and getting a FRP for Porzingis is better than nothing.

They can keep Porzingis and S&T him next year if they don't up their offer to extend him. It's such a gamble for an injury prone player to move forward without a multiyear contract. The small issue is that they already paid Gafford midlevel type money to play center and would love to see him coming off the bench in Miami. If Bam continues to work on his 3 maybe pair them up.

Porzingis doesn't opt into his player option unless there's already a deal being discussed. He's likely on the move and the framework of a deal is already in place. A team is not going to make him opt in then start discussing potential deals and then back out and force him to stay when he could have become a FA.

He's got a deal in place with another team a year in advance? We did just watch Oladipo lose nearly 100 million because of injureis. I think it's a leverage play but who knows, Washington can outbid everyone next summer if they want to retain him, I'm not sure if anyone decent will have enough cap space to outbid Washington.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Portland shipping away Simons & #3 for an expiring Pascal Siakam deal is terrible for Portland. Siakam and Grant would form the worst rebounding frontcourt in the NBA and then Portland will have to give in to paying Siakam a max contract that sees him making over $50M when he's 34 years old.

Siakam is not worth the #3 pick and Simons

Of course more would be involved just talking about the mere basics of what a deal would look like. No different then force feeding Herro and garbage down Portland's throat for Dame.

I've seen Portland fans rejecting this exact deal left and right all over the internet. The more matters A LOT. Just like the "more" in any hypothetical Heat-Dame trade being generating a ton of picks (likely including finding a third team for Herro). Not that I think a Dame to Miami deal is actually happening.

The more in the Toronto case would inherently need to be more than just Siakam. Siakam for #3 is a bad deal as it is. Adding Simons makes it poopoo platter

Most likely no deal here. Pels hold all the cards in my opinion if they want Scoot

[Rapaz]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

They can keep Porzingis and S&T him next year if they don't up their offer to extend him. It's such a gamble for an injury prone player to move forward without a multiyear contract. The small issue is that they already paid Gafford midlevel type money to play center and would love to see him coming off the bench in Miami. If Bam continues to work on his 3 maybe pair them up.

Porzingis doesn't opt into his player option unless there's already a deal being discussed. He's likely on the move and the framework of a deal is already in place. A team is not going to make him opt in then start discussing potential deals and then back out and force him to stay when he could have become a FA.

He's got a deal in place with another team a year in advance? I think it's a leverage play but who knows, Washington can outbid everyone next summer if they want to retain him, I'm not sure if anyone decent will have enough cap space to outbid Washington.

If you want to talk about under the table stuff then it could be easily assumed that Heat and Schwartz have possibly had discussions on his recent soon to be free agents

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Barry was saying last summer he wouldn’t trade Herro for Mitchell

Stick to reporting my guy

[MettaWorldPanda]

3.8 million away from the super tax. Can get up to 9.8 million away with an Oladipo stretch. This team really needs to get off of Duncan's contract with nothing coming back