2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ya, but Horford n Bosh sacrificed bigger roles to play complimentary roles for their teams and developed 3 to open up for the stars of their teams. Is that what Bam is ultimately? He needs two bigger stars for Heat to win? I thought he had another level to his game before this season. But I'm beginning to think he has peaked. He could develop n improve 3 to be a third star on a championship team but that might be his ceiling. Idk, that's my way early season take.

We’ve been to the finals twice with him as our 2nd best player, I’m not sure we need someone who is better than him to win it but I’m definitely not opposed to getting someone like that or at least on his level. I’m not sure Horford and Bosh’s situations were that similar, Bosh legit sacrificed, Horford was always the best or 2nd best player on his teams but yea he developed the 3 to likely age better and also fit better in todays game. FWIW Horfords peak season would be a “decent/solid” season for Bam

Bams adding a 3 and continuing to work on it through his career doesn’t do anything but help us and Bams longevity.

Two miraculous runs led by historically abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy. That Jimmy is gone. Bam can be a second star to a top 5 star maybe, but he's good, not great. I still maintain his ceiling has reached. He's not aggressive enough to be a leader of a championship team. He's the (reluctant) captain, he's been in the organization all these years. You gotta demand the ball, act like you are the man who will carry the team.

Bam had several moments in those runs as well, you’re wrong if you think he’s peaked that’s actually kind of wild but time will tell

[greg4012]

We’ve been to the finals twice with him as our 2nd best player, I’m not sure we need someone who is better than him to win it but I’m definitely not opposed to getting someone like that or at least on his level. I’m not sure Horford and Bosh’s situations were that similar, Bosh legit sacrificed, Horford was always the best or 2nd best player on his teams but yea he developed the 3 to likely age better and also fit better in todays game. FWIW Horfords peak season would be a “decent/solid” season for Bam

Bams adding a 3 and continuing to work on it through his career doesn’t do anything but help us and Bams longevity.

Two miraculous runs led by historically abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy. That Jimmy is gone. Bam can be a second star to a top 5 star maybe, but he's good, not great. I still maintain his ceiling has reached. He's not aggressive enough to be a leader of a championship team. He's the (reluctant) captain, he's been in the organization all these years. You gotta demand the ball, act like you are the man who will carry the team.

Let's not rewrite history. Jimmy averaged 20.9 ppg before the finals in the 2020 playoffs. It was very much a collective effort.

[ZoStrong]

We’ve been to the finals twice with him as our 2nd best player, I’m not sure we need someone who is better than him to win it but I’m definitely not opposed to getting someone like that or at least on his level. I’m not sure Horford and Bosh’s situations were that similar, Bosh legit sacrificed, Horford was always the best or 2nd best player on his teams but yea he developed the 3 to likely age better and also fit better in todays game. FWIW Horfords peak season would be a “decent/solid” season for Bam

Bams adding a 3 and continuing to work on it through his career doesn’t do anything but help us and Bams longevity.

Two miraculous runs led by historically abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy. That Jimmy is gone. Bam can be a second star to a top 5 star maybe, but he's good, not great. I still maintain his ceiling has reached. He's not aggressive enough to be a leader of a championship team. He's the (reluctant) captain, he's been in the organization all these years. You gotta demand the ball, act like you are the man who will carry the team.

Bam had several moments in those runs as well, you’re wrong if you think he’s peaked that’s actually kind of wild but time will tell

Sure, I do wanna be proven wrong for the sake of the team. And i do realize it's too soon to say. But i expected another lvl in him this year. More aggressive Bam who take this team as his n lead. We shall see

[ZoStrong]

We’ve been to the finals twice with him as our 2nd best player, I’m not sure we need someone who is better than him to win it but I’m definitely not opposed to getting someone like that or at least on his level. I’m not sure Horford and Bosh’s situations were that similar, Bosh legit sacrificed, Horford was always the best or 2nd best player on his teams but yea he developed the 3 to likely age better and also fit better in todays game. FWIW Horfords peak season would be a “decent/solid” season for Bam

Bams adding a 3 and continuing to work on it through his career doesn’t do anything but help us and Bams longevity.

Two miraculous runs led by historically abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy. That Jimmy is gone. Bam can be a second star to a top 5 star maybe, but he's good, not great. I still maintain his ceiling has reached. He's not aggressive enough to be a leader of a championship team. He's the (reluctant) captain, he's been in the organization all these years. You gotta demand the ball, act like you are the man who will carry the team.

Let's not rewrite history. Jimmy averaged 20.9 ppg before the finals in the 2020 playoffs. It was very much a collective effort.

Yes, Jimmy wasn't great in every game. In both runs. He carried a few series and the team took more of the load in others. But without him we get kicked out in the first couple rounds in both finals runs.

Bam was good. Especially great again Boston in the first run. That block against Tatum, who can forget!

What I mean by abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy is his difference between the regular season and the playoff was just unheard of.

[greg4012]

Two miraculous runs led by historically abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy. That Jimmy is gone. Bam can be a second star to a top 5 star maybe, but he's good, not great. I still maintain his ceiling has reached. He's not aggressive enough to be a leader of a championship team. He's the (reluctant) captain, he's been in the organization all these years. You gotta demand the ball, act like you are the man who will carry the team.

Let's not rewrite history. Jimmy averaged 20.9 ppg before the finals in the 2020 playoffs. It was very much a collective effort.

Yes, Jimmy wasn't great in every game. In both runs. He carried a few series and the team took more of the load in others. But without him we get kicked out in the first couple rounds in both finals runs.

Bam was good. Especially great again Boston in the first run. That block against Tatum, who can forget!

What I mean by abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy is his difference between the regular season and the playoff was just unheard of.

Agreed that no team wins it all without their best and highest paid player.

[twix2500]

Let's not rewrite history. Jimmy averaged 20.9 ppg before the finals in the 2020 playoffs. It was very much a collective effort.

Yes, Jimmy wasn't great in every game. In both runs. He carried a few series and the team took more of the load in others. But without him we get kicked out in the first couple rounds in both finals runs.

Bam was good. Especially great again Boston in the first run. That block against Tatum, who can forget!

What I mean by abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy is his difference between the regular season and the playoff was just unheard of.

Agreed that no team wins it all without their best and highest paid player.

Only happened once and that was Kareem getting hurt and Magic took over

[ZoStrong]

Yes, Jimmy wasn't great in every game. In both runs. He carried a few series and the team took more of the load in others. But without him we get kicked out in the first couple rounds in both finals runs.

Bam was good. Especially great again Boston in the first run. That block against Tatum, who can forget!

What I mean by abnormal super human efforts by Jimmy is his difference between the regular season and the playoff was just unheard of.

Agreed that no team wins it all without their best and highest paid player.

Only happened once and that was Kareem getting hurt and Magic took over

Magic took over as a rookie! But it was a loaded team.
But the best player not being the highest paid player to win the ring was right here in Wade. I can't think of any other top of my head. Shaq and LeBron came close, making it to the finals only to be swept.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I legit think we’ll end up with whoever shakes free first between Edwards and Fox, beggars can’t be choosers but hopefully Ant lol. I think team USA and his growing relationships with Spo and Bam will be the catalyst. I also think this build with Randle is bound to flop bad.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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I legit think we’ll end up with whoever shakes free first between Edwards and Fox, beggars can’t be choosers but hopefully Ant lol. I think team USA and his growing relationships with Spo and Bam will be the catalyst. I also think this build with Randle is bound to flop bad.

wait what?

Why is Ant's name being mentioned? Is he disgruntled in Minny?? no chance they let him go

and Giannis??

what

[MettaWorldPanda]

Until the front office start getting with the times and building up it’s pick asset war chest any notion that we will be in on trading for any of the players above any time soon is just more pipe dreamish innuendo. NBA media uses the Heat year after year as it’s click bait patsy. NBA writer donkeys who mention the Heat don’t even take the time to look at our pick situation compared to others around the league. We have 2 1st rd picks in limbo right between the top 15 protected 2025 pick that if not conveyed to OKC becomes unprotected in 2026 then dominoes into 2027 pick top 20 protected owed to Hornets that if OKC pick is not conveyed becomes 2028 unprotected. We just saw Mikal Bridges go for 5 1st. Stop falling for the click bait. Also forget to mention we have two lowly 2nd rd picks in the next 5 years.

[Bourne85]

Until the front office start getting with the times and building up it’s pick asset war chest any notion that we will be in on trading for any of the players above any time soon is just more pipe dreamish innuendo. NBA media uses the Heat year after year as it’s click bait patsy. NBA writer donkeys who mention the Heat don’t even take the time to look at our pick situation compared to others around the league. We have 2 1st rd picks in limbo right between the top 15 protected 2025 pick that if not conveyed to OKC becomes unprotected in 2026 then dominoes into 2027 pick top 20 protected owed to Hornets that if OKC pick is not conveyed becomes 2028 unprotected. We just saw Mikal Bridges go for 5 1st. Stop falling for the click bait. Also forget to mention be have two lowly 2nd rd picks in the next 5 years.

Exactly, and then when you think about how we always use picks to save us money instead of improving the team (Scary trade). We will never have the picks needed to land a true superstar. And on top of that, it takes a trade nowadays to land these guys, as they all continue to sign max extensions and then demand a trade. Pats ways of stealing guys in free agency have been over for a while

[Wiltside]

Wonder if there’s a deal there with Golden State:

Heat trade
Jimmy Butler and Josh Richardson

Warriors trade
Jonathon Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
Deanthony Melton
Kevon Looney
FRP and a swap

Heat get Kuminga to slot in at the 4. Wiggins is salary filler but can play a role. Melton and Looney are expirings for salary relief. Get some picks and swaps. Eh I dunno. It’s something. Butler ain’t getting any younger.

[VaDe255]

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They aren't ending up with Fox, but for a moment lets assume they would.

- What has Fox ever done in this league? He hasn't even won a playoff series...
- His career numbers are 55.7% TS he doesn't have a single season where he is 60%+ TS, only once his net rating was positive on bbref.
- He is heavily riliant on mid range, his rim attempts are declining and his 3p shot isn't good enough.

They aren't winning with Fox either, they need a legit top 10 guy and Fox ain't it.

[twix2500]

The last three games Duncan and Highsmith have played well.

Duncan Robinson
16 mins, 12 pts, 8.3 fga, 63.2 3p%

Hayward Highsmith
24.4 mins, 11.3 pts, 6.7 fga, 45.5 3p%

If they can keep it up, the Heat may be able to use them in a trade and conselodate to a player who better fit. I really do think Cameron Johnson has the potential to be a glue guy in the starting lineup that can make the offense and defense click.

As of right now the Heat cant match up with bigger physical teams. Jovic and Ware are not ready, we havent seen Johnson. So getting a player like Cameron Johnson can add size to help match up vs bigger teams like the Nuggets and shooting. Trade Highsmith and Robinson for Cam Johnson would open a roster space to move up Christoper and give the Heat more athlecism off the bench. Move Jovic to the bench but still keeps him in the rotation. Would have a really young athletic bench in Christopher, Larsson, K. Johnson, Jovic and Ware. A starting lineup of Rozier, Herro, Butler, Cam Johnson, and Adebayo.

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[twix2500]

The last three games Duncan and Highsmith have played well.

Duncan Robinson
16 mins, 12 pts, 8.3 fga, 63.2 3p%

Hayward Highsmith
24.4 mins, 11.3 pts, 6.7 fga, 45.5 3p%

If they can keep it up, the Heat may be able to use them in a trade and conselodate to a player who better fit. I really do think Cameron Johnson has the potential to be a glue guy in the starting lineup that can make the offense and defense click.

As of right now the Heat cant match up with bigger physical teams. Jovic and Ware are not ready, we havent seen Johnson. So getting a player like Cameron Johnson can add size to help match up vs bigger teams like the Nuggets and shooting. Trade Highsmith and Robinson for Cam Johnson would open a roster space to move up Christoper and give the Heat more athlecism off the bench. Move Jovic to the bench but still keeps him in the rotation. Would have a really young athletic bench in Christopher, Larsson, K. Johnson, Jovic and Ware. A starting lineup of Rozier, Herro, Butler, Cam Johnson, and Adebayo.

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We are not moving Bam and Rozier. Rozier and Bam needs to figure it out. So adding more size and shooters would help them and a players who can set screens. Getting Cameron Johnson and playing Keshad Johnson should help the Heat be more physical. Cant have only Bam the only player able to set screens in your rotation. Jovic as to get better with his screens.

Glad Bam took shots lastnight, he must keep doing so and get good at it. There is no big time scorer savior coming. Must keep working to get Bam and Rozier and Butler caught up with Herro in scoring.

[SA37]

Wonder if there’s a deal there with Golden State:

Heat trade
Jimmy Butler and Josh Richardson

Warriors trade
Jonathon Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
Deanthony Melton
Kevon Looney
FRP and a swap

Heat get Kuminga to slot in at the 4. Wiggins is salary filler but can play a role. Melton and Looney are expirings for salary relief. Get some picks and swaps. Eh I dunno. It’s something. Butler ain’t getting any younger.

Hard pass on Kuminga, who will be seeking silly money as a FA. Everyone else is serviceable, but very vanilla. I only think this trade would work for Miami if there were a 3rd team involved who liked Kuminga.

So maybe:

Miami gets Jerami Grant, Melton, Payton II, and 2 1sts from Portland and 1 from GS

Golden St gets Butler and Richardson

Portland gets Kuminga and Wiggins


Or

Miami gets B Ingram, Melton, and a 1st from GS and pick swap from New Orleans

Golden St gets Butler

New Orleans gets: Kuminga, Wiggins, Richardson, Waters

I don't think Ingram is worth what he'd be asking for as a FA, but I'd rather pay him than Kuminga.

[marson]

Terry Rozier sucks, not a fan. Rather have big fat Lowry or Gabe Vincent man and I just puked saying that.

[contract]

8 games in and Bam is still playing like ass. Did he turn 35 too?

[marson]

8 games in and Bam is still playing like ass. Did he turn 35 too?

The new offense's shot distribution is part of the problem. Our starting five is completely unbalanced: we've got two scorers who struggle on defense, a power forward who can't defend or shoot consistently, and one player just coasting. I won't be too hard on Bam since he's carrying a huge load on defense. But Rozier and Jovic have been awful on both ends of the floor. It's so frustrating.