2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Vucevic has been rumored for years, ICC said he was coming, “not Adam” said we had heavy interest years ago and so did the Greg guy you all said used to post here that just backpacks every report now. Maybe this truly is their time to shine

A Vucevic with Ball (unlikely with I think the importance of Duncan as stated) or Carter/Craig could be good for us. Craig fits exactly what Spo loves and Carter is basically just another Dru Smith who’s a scrappy defender and can knock down the 3. Carter and Craig are Heat guys, Vucevic is a talent you try to make work. He’s killed us for years, even with the big 3 when the Magic were ass he single handedly made the games competitive lol I would imagine we have great respect for him

Crazy how Vucevic chits on us every year but some will nit pick the notion of him on the Heat to death even while he’s dropping 30/20 on us and some how Spo failing to exploit the supposed death knell defensive crutch he brings lol.

I don’t think Spo can coach an offense that exploits mismatches

Everything he’s always just been egalitarian offense, we’ve never even really ran sets for Jimmy like you woukd imagine teams would do for their best player, it’s all in the flow. Our good offensive seasons have came with ELITE shooting seasons from Duncan and now Duncan/Herro. Our offensive hierarchy isn’t even right and hasn’t been for years

[twix2500]

very few of these reports are real. a lot of fake discussions made up just to talk. You can see it how they structure the so called report.

[Beenie]

Rozier for Vuc, fine, I guess

Duncan for Vuc, meh

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We discussed the notion of FVV. I think if he comes back it meets the requisite of dealing Jimmy for a piece that keeps us competitive with our current group. Rozier and Butler for FVV and fillers just like i posted yesterday and Simmons just mentioned the same scenario.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Rozier for Vuc, fine, I guess

Duncan for Vuc, meh

For optimal salary flexibility i agree it has to be Rozier. Think it could be Vucevic and Carter. Will have to toss in asset if Bulls eat some salary in this deal alleviating some tax contraints. Vucevic and Carter for Rozier, J Rich, and Jovic saves us about 4 million in space and opens up a roster spot to sign another two way like Christopher to replace J Rich

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We discussed the notion of FVV. I think if he comes back it meets the requisite of dealing Jimmy for a piece that keeps us competitive with our current group. Rozier and Butler for FVV and fillers just like i posted yesterday and Simmons just mentioned the same scenario.

Trading FVV for Jimmy makes them better simply because Jimmy is the much better player but if the goal is championship it’s counter productive. Fred is that championship PG that will calm them down in big moments and will handle the pace when it gets hectic. They’ll send their expirings with Brooks who plays the same position as Jimmy and would see a reduced role with him there.

But hey, if they want to send all their expirings for Jimmy and Terry and we go the trade Jimmy route sign me up. They’re the best trade partner being mentioned easily followed by the warriors.

There’s one issue, it’s reported they’re not interested but Friday night against the Thunder if Jimmy plays good and/or we win the game maybe that catches Houston’s attention(who just lost to them easily) or maybe even gets the Warriors more active.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We discussed the notion of FVV. I think if he comes back it meets the requisite of dealing Jimmy for a piece that keeps us competitive with our current group. Rozier and Butler for FVV and fillers just like i posted yesterday and Simmons just mentioned the same scenario.

Trading FVV for Jimmy makes them better simply because Jimmy is the much better player but if the goal is championship it’s counter productive. Fred is that championship PG that will calm them down in big moments and will handle the pace when it gets hectic. They’ll send their expirings with Brooks who plays the same position as Jimmy and would see a reduced role with him there.

But hey, if they want to send all their expirings for Jimmy and Terry and we go the trade Jimmy route sign me up. They’re the best trade partner being mentioned easily followed by the warriors.

There’s one issue, it’s reported they’re not interested but Friday night against the Thunder if Jimmy plays good and/or we win the game maybe that catches Houston’s attention(who just lost to them easily) or maybe even gets the Warriors more active.

Honestly just keep Jimmy and try and get some veteran help in here with some of these highly overrated young players we drafted recently. Pat hated waiting on young players and small ball. Now it’s the complete opposite here.

[twix2500]

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We discussed the notion of FVV. I think if he comes back it meets the requisite of dealing Jimmy for a piece that keeps us competitive with our current group. Rozier and Butler for FVV and fillers just like i posted yesterday and Simmons just mentioned the same scenario.

Trading FVV for Jimmy makes them better simply because Jimmy is the much better player but if the goal is championship it’s counter productive. Fred is that championship PG that will calm them down in big moments and will handle the pace when it gets hectic. They’ll send their expirings with Brooks who plays the same position as Jimmy and would see a reduced role with him there.

But hey, if they want to send all their expirings for Jimmy and Terry and we go the trade Jimmy route sign me up. They’re the best trade partner being mentioned easily followed by the warriors.

There’s one issue, it’s reported they’re not interested but Friday night against the Thunder if Jimmy plays good and/or we win the game maybe that catches Houston’s attention(who just lost to them easily) or maybe even gets the Warriors more active.

Honestly just keep Jimmy and try and get some veteran help in here with some of these highly overrated young players we drafted recently. Pat hated waiting on young players and small ball. Now it’s the complete opposite here.

MWP hates kids. Winslow got you with PTSD

[marson]

If Patrick flip Rozier for Vuc then make him a statue already.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Trading FVV for Jimmy makes them better simply because Jimmy is the much better player but if the goal is championship it’s counter productive. Fred is that championship PG that will calm them down in big moments and will handle the pace when it gets hectic. They’ll send their expirings with Brooks who plays the same position as Jimmy and would see a reduced role with him there.

But hey, if they want to send all their expirings for Jimmy and Terry and we go the trade Jimmy route sign me up. They’re the best trade partner being mentioned easily followed by the warriors.

There’s one issue, it’s reported they’re not interested but Friday night against the Thunder if Jimmy plays good and/or we win the game maybe that catches Houston’s attention(who just lost to them easily) or maybe even gets the Warriors more active.

Honestly just keep Jimmy and try and get some veteran help in here with some of these highly overrated young players we drafted recently. Pat hated waiting on young players and small ball. Now it’s the complete opposite here.

MWP hates kids. Winslow got you with PTSD

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We discussed the notion of FVV. I think if he comes back it meets the requisite of dealing Jimmy for a piece that keeps us competitive with our current group. Rozier and Butler for FVV and fillers just like i posted yesterday and Simmons just mentioned the same scenario.

Trading FVV for Jimmy makes them better simply because Jimmy is the much better player but if the goal is championship it’s counter productive. Fred is that championship PG that will calm them down in big moments and will handle the pace when it gets hectic. They’ll send their expirings with Brooks who plays the same position as Jimmy and would see a reduced role with him there.

But hey, if they want to send all their expirings for Jimmy and Terry and we go the trade Jimmy route sign me up. They’re the best trade partner being mentioned easily followed by the warriors.

There’s one issue, it’s reported they’re not interested but Friday night against the Thunder if Jimmy plays good and/or we win the game maybe that catches Houston’s attention(who just lost to them easily) or maybe even gets the Warriors more active.

Honestly just keep Jimmy and try and get some veteran help in here with some of these highly overrated young players we drafted recently. Pat hated waiting on young players and small ball. Now it’s the complete opposite here.

I agree, we’ve been asking for 5 years though. I have my doubts, I don’t think Pat can get it done

[AirP.]

Since Beal's been talked about from the Phoenix side of things, I decided to look at what Beal has done this year with say... KD out, making Beal the 2nd option behind Booker.

pts-reb-ast
28-8-2 (18 FGA)
24-3-4 (15 FGA)
24-4-4 (18 FGA)
15-5-4 (18 FGA)
18-4-2 (12 FGA)

Beal's last 3 seasons in Washington he got more shots.
23.0 FGA, 31.3 pts
19.3 FGA, 23.2 pts
17.6 FGA, 23.2 pts
Beal's 2 years in Phoenix.
13.9 FGA, 18.2 pts
13.8 FGA, 17.8 pts

Is he worth his contract? No, but he's still a good scorer if given the FGAs which he would get in Miami. Of course, Miami would want some more than just Beal of course. They do have a 1st (2031) which would be more than likely after Butler and KD no longer playing and it has the potential to be a pick near the top of the draft. Maybe you can push Phoenix to find a way to take or reroute Rozier for something Miami wants.

Hopefully Butler and the Heat both give in, Butler takes less but maybe he gets a no-trade so he doesn't take less and then gets moved.

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[VaDe255]

Since Beal's been talked about from the Phoenix side of things, I decided to look at what Beal has done this year with say... KD out, making Beal the 2nd option behind Booker.

pts-reb-ast
28-8-2 (18 FGA)
24-3-4 (15 FGA)
24-4-4 (18 FGA)
15-5-4 (18 FGA)
18-4-2 (12 FGA)

Beal's last 3 seasons in Washington he got more shots.
23.0 FGA, 31.3 pts
19.3 FGA, 23.2 pts
17.6 FGA, 23.2 pts
Beal's 2 years in Phoenix.
13.9 FGA, 18.2 pts
13.8 FGA, 17.8 pts

Is he worth his contract? No, but he's still a good scorer if given the FGAs which he would get in Miami. Of course, Miami would want some more than just Beal of course. They do have a 1st (2031) which would be more than likely after Butler and KD no longer playing and it has the potential to be a pick near the top of the draft. Maybe you can push Phoenix to find a way to take or reroute Rozier for something Miami wants.

Hopefully Butler and the Heat both give in, Butler takes less but maybe he gets a no-trade so he doesn't take less and then gets moved.

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I think Phoenix should give in and trade them KD for Duncan + Terry instead.

[RexBoyWonder]

So now you guys want us to give up assets to dumpo Rozier for a 35 YO Nikola Vucevic that hasn't played defense in 10 years?

God I hope the front office isn't as desperate as this.

If 34% 3 point shooter, 35YO no defense, non expiring Center is your answer - you're asking all the wrong questions.

[RexBoyWonder]

1. No one over 30
2. No one that can't play defense
3. No one putting unusual stats on a horrible team.

If Rozier trade should have taught us anything - it's this.

[marson]

So now you guys want us to give up assets to dumpo Rozier for a 35 YO Nikola Vucevic that hasn't played defense in 10 years?

God I hope the front office isn't as desperate as this.

If 34% 3 point shooter, 35YO no defense, non expiring Center is your answer - you're asking all the wrong questions.

Not gonna be worse than KLove. His playing minutes in the playoffs is low as well, so mileage is not that rough.

Goal is let Bam play to his natural position and most of all, not going to be worse than Rozier.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Career numbers are a skewed way of judging a current player. He’s averaging 21-10-3 shooting’48% from 3 on 5 attempts a game, he’s worlds better than anyone in our frontcourt outside of Jimmy and Bam and he brings much needed size. If the asset needed is Jovic and you get off Terry you make that deal any time, Jovic will never even be the level of current Vucevic.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Since Beal's been talked about from the Phoenix side of things, I decided to look at what Beal has done this year with say... KD out, making Beal the 2nd option behind Booker.

pts-reb-ast
28-8-2 (18 FGA)
24-3-4 (15 FGA)
24-4-4 (18 FGA)
15-5-4 (18 FGA)
18-4-2 (12 FGA)

Beal's last 3 seasons in Washington he got more shots.
23.0 FGA, 31.3 pts
19.3 FGA, 23.2 pts
17.6 FGA, 23.2 pts
Beal's 2 years in Phoenix.
13.9 FGA, 18.2 pts
13.8 FGA, 17.8 pts

Is he worth his contract? No, but he's still a good scorer if given the FGAs which he would get in Miami. Of course, Miami would want some more than just Beal of course. They do have a 1st (2031) which would be more than likely after Butler and KD no longer playing and it has the potential to be a pick near the top of the draft. Maybe you can push Phoenix to find a way to take or reroute Rozier for something Miami wants.

Hopefully Butler and the Heat both give in, Butler takes less but maybe he gets a no-trade so he doesn't take less and then gets moved.

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The contract has ruined how he’s viewed, he’s a much better player than he gets credit for.

[BBallFreak]

Career numbers are a skewed way of judging a current player. He’s averaging 21-10-3 shooting’48% from 3 on 5 attempts a game, he’s worlds better than anyone in our frontcourt outside of Jimmy and Bam and he brings much needed size. If the asset needed is Jovic and not get off Terry you make that deal any time, Jovic will never even be the level of current Vucevic.

Yeah, I like Jovic, but you make this trade, put Vuc next to Bam, get what you can for Jimmy, and move on.

[AirP.]

1. No one over 30
2. No one that can't play defense
3. No one putting unusual stats on a horrible team.

If Rozier trade should have taught us anything - it's this.

The Rozier trade tells you not to trade real assets after career low efficiency high volume scorers. Pick your core players and then put the right players around them.

The only way to make Rozier work is to give him all the freedom he wants on offense which means he has to be one of your top options which he won't be in Miami. Even if he were 27 you'd have this issue. The only way I thought he'd work is taking over Herro's scoring role, I never thought Herro and Rozier could work together, they both need shots.

If you go back to last year, you can see that after Rozier's bad start (he wasn'tdoing all that well in Charolotte before being traded), when Rozier was doing well Herro was out... Herro missed from Feb 26 to Mar 4th which is interesting because Rozier went out 2 games after Herro came back.

The previous 4 games before Herro returned last year Rozier had games of...
22 pts, 17 FGA
27 pts, 19 FGA
34 pts, 15 FGA
22 pts, 20 FGA

The 2 games when Herro got back Rozier went back to not getting shots...
Rozier pts, fga / Herro pts, fga
13 pts, 10 FGA / 17 pts, 14 FGA (under 25 minutes played, that's a 20 FGA per36 pace)
4 pts, 7 FGA / 21 pts, 12 FGA
No more games for Rozier for the season.

Rozier's has to have a lot of shots (much like Herro), this year he started out well, 4 games but then Bam wasn't seeing the ball much except game 2 vs the Hornets. Once Miami tried getting Bam going (FGA of... 24, 15, 21, 18) Rozier's shots dropped and he went into a spiral. 9 of Rozier's 22 games this year he's only gotten 2 or fewer assists, he's basically playing Vincent's old role (small SG) but needs to shoot and create more often to get into the flow of the offense.

I think Rozier is salvageable if he's given free reign as the scoring 6th man, but that also messes with Jaquez Jr's role. Spoelstra has to decide who's going to get more free reign in the offense and who has to play more as a role-player which can stunt player's growth like Jovic with the starters and maybe Jaquez Jr as a scorer/playmaker off the bench.

Maybe this small amount of time off Spoelstra can change things up a bit, get some practices in for the team that helps Rozier's ability to get into the flow of the offense better. I think Rozier can be salvaged, but it's going to take Spoelstra giving him room to shoot/create and making some younger guys roles smaller.

When this trade went down, the only logical thing I thought was he was taking over Herro's role, at no time did I think it was smart at all to have bother of those high volume scorers on the roster together at 25+ mil each because one or both would cannibalize the other's shots, not enhance.