2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 3.0

[CWebb2491]

Miami might be the using the media to put pressure on Memphis to take the offer. Shams called the Jimmy situation before our own local media….

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Coinciding with Jaku's great game. Hmm

Jaku+1st is much better than a rollins+1st.

And if the heat are reluctant to include herro, then they are giving up draft capital.

Rollins been in the league for what 5 seasons? Kasparas has a higher ceiling. Memphis has a stock pile of picks. We offer a (top 10 pick in Kas, on everyone’s boards) and immediate salary relief. They’d be able to absorb contracts to get even more picks if picks is what they want.

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Spo might be a problem. Anyone gonna tell me that Ware would have been any worse than Niko at the 5? And this is not exclusive to Ware. Spo constantly throws people off rhythm by sitting them down, even if they are in the middle of a hot streak. We need to stop being stubborn and rebuild from the top down, including Spo. Trade off Wiggs, Herro, Norm, Bam. Focus on the young guys and play them as many minutes as possible. Spo is not the coach for a rebuild, so he has to go along with any other Spo worshipers in the coaching staff and bring in people that keep the culture of Defense but plays the freaking talent. Bring in some people that can implement a real offense to go along with the defense, hope that your drafting luck is as good as it is in the mids, and get your next Wade in the draft.

I love Bam. He embodies the culture, the effort, is a defensive anchor, great third fiddle to tie everything together for a championship team, and is what everyone thinks Jaren Jackson Jr is, but could also net us the most value out of anyone on our roster outside of most likely Ware, to be honest. Herro, I do not hate the dude, I have nothing against him, great shooter and bucket getter. Not worth 50 Mil, I don't think he'd get offered that from anyone, and neither should we, but if someone wants to pay him that and hand over some 1st round picks while doing so, we should do the right thing and move him. If we can get a first for him, I'd move him if not, if he would sign to a reasonable contract and lead the young guys as the veteran precence I'd keep him around and let him go wild on offense to get his value up.

Get a treasure trove of picks and give our actually good scouting team something to work with. The point is that the sum of the parts is not enough, and getting a true game changer might leave us in a worse position because of the cost. Giannis isn't even willing his team into contention. What do we think Giannis and Bam, two non-shooters with a bunch of JAGDRU Smiths, are going to do? Play enough defense to not let the other team hit 80 because that's all we can put up ourselves? Free agency is dead for anything that would be game-changing unless it's that final complementary 4th glue guy rotation player. The path of least resistance is getting that next generational talent, along with the complementary parts, through the draft.

I am not even saying this out of frustration because "we're not even competing for a championship, Boo, we stink." I just think that logically, a reset leaves us in a better position moving forward. I came into this season hoping we'd lean into our young guys and play them as much as possible. I did not come into this expecting to win 60 games this season. But to no one's surprise, Spo is still playing people out of position and playing scrubs over actual talent, and gives said scrubs the ultimate leash, as in Dru's case. This has been a thing for a long time now. Riley needs to retire. I do not want Spo in charge of the FO, and want to do a full reset.

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Spo might be a problem. Anyone gonna tell me that Ware would have been any worse than Niko at the 5? And this is not exclusive to Ware. Spo constantly throws people off rhythm by sitting them down, even if they are in the middle of a hot streak. We need to stop being stubborn and rebuild from the top down, including Spo. Trade off Wiggs, Herro, Norm, Bam. Focus on the young guys and play them as many minutes as possible. Spo is not the coach for a rebuild, so he has to go along with any other Spo worshipers in the coaching staff and bring in people that keep the culture of Defense but plays the freaking talent. Bring in some people that can implement a real offense to go along with the defense, hope that your drafting luck is as good as it is in the mids, and get your next Wade in the draft.

I love Bam. He embodies the culture, the effort, is a defensive anchor, great third fiddle to tie everything together for a championship team, and is what everyone thinks Jaren Jackson Jr is, but could also net us the most value out of anyone on our roster outside of most likely Ware, to be honest. Herro, I do not hate the dude, I have nothing against him, great shooter and bucket getter. Not worth 50 Mil, I don't think he'd get offered that from anyone, and neither should we, but if someone wants to pay him that and hand over some 1st round picks while doing so, we should do the right thing and move him. If we can get a first for him, I'd move him if not, if he would sign to a reasonable contract and lead the young guys as the veteran precence I'd keep him around and let him go wild on offense to get his value up.

Get a treasure trove of picks and give our actually good scouting team something to work with. The point is that the sum of the parts is not enough, and getting a true game changer might leave us in a worse position because of the cost. Giannis isn't even willing his team into contention. What do we think Giannis and Bam, two non-shooters with a bunch of JAGDRU Smiths, are going to do? Play enough defense to not let the other team hit 80 because that's all we can put up ourselves? Free agency is dead for anything that would be game-changing unless it's that final complementary 4th glue guy rotation player. The path of least resistance is getting that next generational talent, along with the complementary parts, through the draft.

I am not even saying this out of frustration because "we're not even competing for a championship, Boo, we stink." I just think that logically, a reset leaves us in a better position moving forward. I came into this season hoping we'd lean into our young guys and play them as much as possible. I did not come into this expecting to win 60 games this season. But to no one's surprise, Spo is still playing people out of position and playing scrubs over actual talent, and gives said scrubs the ultimate leash, as in Dru's case. This has been a thing for a long time now. Riley needs to retire. I do not want Spo in charge of the FO, and want to do a full reset.

Our own color analyst commentators were praising Joe Mazulla for keeping his team at the top even with the massive overhaul and injury to their franchise player.

[SA37]

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It’s always next year with this team. 2027 the new 2010, except the cap situation and Free Agency is a totally different ball game than it was in 2010.

No player is leaving like a hundred million on the table to switch teams. Get the bag and force a trade. It’s the only play in the playbook now. Free Agency as we knew it is dead. Time for the Heat to realize this.

What I'd tell you is that cap space still gives you the flexibility to not have to match a full star player salary. It doesn't have to be max salary space, but not having to gut your team to acquire a star has its value, especially as salaries start to come down for borderline all-star players.

Imo, capspace will be used to absorb bad contracts for draft capital instead of making space for whales. Either compete or rebuild.

The okc build. The heat look like they will possibly strike out on those whales, and will overpay both herro and powell instead. And then try again later to attract the next big 3.

Right, that has been the more typical use. But we're likely going to see salaries go down for the upper middle class, which I would roughly define as guys making ~$28-$42M/season or ~2x-3x the MLE. This will be especially true for guards.

We've seen Golden State (Kuminga $23M/year, only 1st year guaranteed), Chicago (Josh Giddey $25M/year), Houston (VanVleet $25M/year), Indiana (A Nesmith $20M/year); only offering Turner $23M/year and him signing for $27M/year), and Portland (S Sharpe $22.5M/year, Camara $20M/year when they were eligible for $40M/year) show restraint this past summer, and I expect more of this is coming for guys like J Poole, McCollum, Herro, C White, Z Lavine...etc

So if you have a team largely comprised of guys making ~$10-$25M, matching salaries for guys making $45-$60M/season is going to be almost impossible without including 4-5 players. So either trade rules will need to be relaxed or teams are going to have to structure contracts and salaries so they can frequently find themselves with ~$15-$20M in space, with the potential to create more via partially guaranteed contracts, team options, and/or contracts that decline over the years.

Of course, you'll still get teams overpaying for players either because of a limited supply of FA/needle-moving players or because teams' bets on young players don't pay off (looking at you, Nikola Jovic, Keegan Murray, and Jabari Smith Jr), but the trend is moving quickly in the direction of teams being more conscious with the contracts they hand out.

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1. Lawd have mercy Taylor Rooks!

2. I think Spo's overall message is discipline and attitude/disposition matter, and I'm on board with that.

3. Wade, Haslem, and Griffin do not look like retired players.

4. Lawd have mercy Taylor Rooks!

[twix2500]

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What I'd tell you is that cap space still gives you the flexibility to not have to match a full star player salary. It doesn't have to be max salary space, but not having to gut your team to acquire a star has its value, especially as salaries start to come down for borderline all-star players.

Imo, capspace will be used to absorb bad contracts for draft capital instead of making space for whales. Either compete or rebuild.

The okc build. The heat look like they will possibly strike out on those whales, and will overpay both herro and powell instead. And then try again later to attract the next big 3.

Right, that has been the more typical use. But we're likely going to see salaries go down for the upper middle class, which I would roughly define as guys making ~$28-$42M/season or ~2x-3x the MLE. This will be especially true for guards.

We've seen Golden State (Kuminga $23M/year, only 1st year guaranteed), Chicago (Josh Giddey $25M/year), Houston (VanVleet $25M/year), Indiana (A Nesmith $20M/year); only offering Turner $23M/year and him signing for $27M/year), and Portland (S Sharpe $22.5M/year, Camara $20M/year when they were eligible for $40M/year) show restraint this past summer, and I expect more of this is coming for guys like J Poole, McCollum, Herro, C White, Z Lavine...etc

So if you have a team largely comprised of guys making ~$10-$25M, matching salaries for guys making $45-$60M/season is going to be almost impossible without including 4-5 players. So either trade rules will need to be relaxed or teams are going to have to structure contracts and salaries so they can frequently find themselves with ~$15-$20M in space, with the potential to create more via partially guaranteed contracts, team options, and/or contracts that decline over the years.

Of course, you'll still get teams overpaying for players either because of a limited supply of FA/needle-moving players or because teams' bets on young players don't pay off (looking at you, Nikola Jovic, Keegan Murray, and Jabari Smith Jr), but the trend is moving quickly in the direction of teams being more conscious with the contracts they hand out.

Anti-middle class smh

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[Crazy-Canuck]

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What I'd tell you is that cap space still gives you the flexibility to not have to match a full star player salary. It doesn't have to be max salary space, but not having to gut your team to acquire a star has its value, especially as salaries start to come down for borderline all-star players.

Imo, capspace will be used to absorb bad contracts for draft capital instead of making space for whales. Either compete or rebuild.

The okc build. The heat look like they will possibly strike out on those whales, and will overpay both herro and powell instead. And then try again later to attract the next big 3.

Right, that has been the more typical use. But we're likely going to see salaries go down for the upper middle class, which I would roughly define as guys making ~$28-$42M/season or ~2x-3x the MLE. This will be especially true for guards.

We've seen Golden State (Kuminga $23M/year, only 1st year guaranteed), Chicago (Josh Giddey $25M/year), Houston (VanVleet $25M/year), Indiana (A Nesmith $20M/year); only offering Turner $23M/year and him signing for $27M/year), and Portland (S Sharpe $22.5M/year, Camara $20M/year when they were eligible for $40M/year) show restraint this past summer, and I expect more of this is coming for guys like J Poole, McCollum, Herro, C White, Z Lavine...etc

So if you have a team largely comprised of guys making ~$10-$25M, matching salaries for guys making $45-$60M/season is going to be almost impossible without including 4-5 players. So either trade rules will need to be relaxed or teams are going to have to structure contracts and salaries so they can frequently find themselves with ~$15-$20M in space, with the potential to create more via partially guaranteed contracts, team options, and/or contracts that decline over the years.

Of course, you'll still get teams overpaying for players either because of a limited supply of FA/needle-moving players or because teams' bets on young players don't pay off (looking at you, Nikola Jovic, Keegan Murray, and Jabari Smith Jr), but the trend is moving quickly in the direction of teams being more conscious with the contracts they hand out.

Powell will need a minimum 3 yr deal. I don't think he get much value in the market, but do the heat risk losing him for nothing? What do you pay him?

Wiggins most likely opts out. He'd still get a decent 3 or 4 year deal after this one (likely his last). After the trade to the heat, I assume he'll want to control his own future rather than opt in and get traded. Do you sell him at the deadline even without picks? Or let him walk for nothing?

Then you have herro. He wants his 40M+ and even said as much in October. He is homegrown and has a huge fanbase in Miami. What do you give him?

How do the heat handle this and still think about opening up max capsoace in 2 years for giannis, mitchell, jokic etc..

I was watching a pod and they mentioning a bizarre triangle forming between miami, Memphis, and the bucks before the deadline.

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1. Lawd have mercy Taylor Rooks!

2. I think Spo's overall message is discipline and attitude/disposition matter, and I'm on board with that.

3. Wade, Haslem, and Griffin do not look like retired players.

4. Lawd have mercy Taylor Rooks!

Lol yea, she's

Blake is only 36. Crazy right? Thought for sure he was 40. Looks great obviously. I just didnt realize he retired so young.

Loved everything UD said. He's the man.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

90% odds to land Ja is pretty insane I can’t lie

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Maybe one day Edrice and Ware, be patient!!

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Spo might be a problem. Anyone gonna tell me that Ware would have been any worse than Niko at the 5? And this is not exclusive to Ware. Spo constantly throws people off rhythm by sitting them down, even if they are in the middle of a hot streak. We need to stop being stubborn and rebuild from the top down, including Spo. Trade off Wiggs, Herro, Norm, Bam. Focus on the young guys and play them as many minutes as possible. Spo is not the coach for a rebuild, so he has to go along with any other Spo worshipers in the coaching staff and bring in people that keep the culture of Defense but plays the freaking talent. Bring in some people that can implement a real offense to go along with the defense, hope that your drafting luck is as good as it is in the mids, and get your next Wade in the draft.

I love Bam. He embodies the culture, the effort, is a defensive anchor, great third fiddle to tie everything together for a championship team, and is what everyone thinks Jaren Jackson Jr is, but could also net us the most value out of anyone on our roster outside of most likely Ware, to be honest. Herro, I do not hate the dude, I have nothing against him, great shooter and bucket getter. Not worth 50 Mil, I don't think he'd get offered that from anyone, and neither should we, but if someone wants to pay him that and hand over some 1st round picks while doing so, we should do the right thing and move him. If we can get a first for him, I'd move him if not, if he would sign to a reasonable contract and lead the young guys as the veteran precence I'd keep him around and let him go wild on offense to get his value up.

Get a treasure trove of picks and give our actually good scouting team something to work with. The point is that the sum of the parts is not enough, and getting a true game changer might leave us in a worse position because of the cost. Giannis isn't even willing his team into contention. What do we think Giannis and Bam, two non-shooters with a bunch of JAGDRU Smiths, are going to do? Play enough defense to not let the other team hit 80 because that's all we can put up ourselves? Free agency is dead for anything that would be game-changing unless it's that final complementary 4th glue guy rotation player. The path of least resistance is getting that next generational talent, along with the complementary parts, through the draft.

I am not even saying this out of frustration because "we're not even competing for a championship, Boo, we stink." I just think that logically, a reset leaves us in a better position moving forward. I came into this season hoping we'd lean into our young guys and play them as much as possible. I did not come into this expecting to win 60 games this season. But to no one's surprise, Spo is still playing people out of position and playing scrubs over actual talent, and gives said scrubs the ultimate leash, as in Dru's case. This has been a thing for a long time now. Riley needs to retire. I do not want Spo in charge of the FO, and want to do a full reset.

Our own color analyst commentators were praising Joe Mazulla for keeping his team at the top even with the massive overhaul and injury to their franchise player.

The Celtics are more talented than us at nearly every position, on both ends of the floor. Swap rosters, and Spo would probably already have three rings coaching Tatum and Brown. Coaching looks a lot easier when you have elite talent.

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Spo might be a problem. Anyone gonna tell me that Ware would have been any worse than Niko at the 5? And this is not exclusive to Ware. Spo constantly throws people off rhythm by sitting them down, even if they are in the middle of a hot streak. We need to stop being stubborn and rebuild from the top down, including Spo. Trade off Wiggs, Herro, Norm, Bam. Focus on the young guys and play them as many minutes as possible. Spo is not the coach for a rebuild, so he has to go along with any other Spo worshipers in the coaching staff and bring in people that keep the culture of Defense but plays the freaking talent. Bring in some people that can implement a real offense to go along with the defense, hope that your drafting luck is as good as it is in the mids, and get your next Wade in the draft.

I love Bam. He embodies the culture, the effort, is a defensive anchor, great third fiddle to tie everything together for a championship team, and is what everyone thinks Jaren Jackson Jr is, but could also net us the most value out of anyone on our roster outside of most likely Ware, to be honest. Herro, I do not hate the dude, I have nothing against him, great shooter and bucket getter. Not worth 50 Mil, I don't think he'd get offered that from anyone, and neither should we, but if someone wants to pay him that and hand over some 1st round picks while doing so, we should do the right thing and move him. If we can get a first for him, I'd move him if not, if he would sign to a reasonable contract and lead the young guys as the veteran precence I'd keep him around and let him go wild on offense to get his value up.

Get a treasure trove of picks and give our actually good scouting team something to work with. The point is that the sum of the parts is not enough, and getting a true game changer might leave us in a worse position because of the cost. Giannis isn't even willing his team into contention. What do we think Giannis and Bam, two non-shooters with a bunch of JAGDRU Smiths, are going to do? Play enough defense to not let the other team hit 80 because that's all we can put up ourselves? Free agency is dead for anything that would be game-changing unless it's that final complementary 4th glue guy rotation player. The path of least resistance is getting that next generational talent, along with the complementary parts, through the draft.

I am not even saying this out of frustration because "we're not even competing for a championship, Boo, we stink." I just think that logically, a reset leaves us in a better position moving forward. I came into this season hoping we'd lean into our young guys and play them as much as possible. I did not come into this expecting to win 60 games this season. But to no one's surprise, Spo is still playing people out of position and playing scrubs over actual talent, and gives said scrubs the ultimate leash, as in Dru's case. This has been a thing for a long time now. Riley needs to retire. I do not want Spo in charge of the FO, and want to do a full reset.

Our own color analyst commentators were praising Joe Mazulla for keeping his team at the top even with the massive overhaul and injury to their franchise player.

The Celtics are more talented than us at nearly every position, on both ends of the floor. Swap rosters, and Spo would probably already have three rings coaching Tatum and Brown. Coaching looks a lot easier when you have elite talent.

This truth doesn’t make Spo any less of a coach…just acknowledges the reality that elite talent far outweighs elite coaching in the NBA. Combine the two and you get the Lakers/Spurs dynasties in the 2000s.


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[Crazy-Canuck]

Clutch time is a real problem.

14th in ortg vs regular season 20th
25th in drtg vs regular season 5th

The switching defense with 3 guards does not work in 4th quarters. And forcing the offense through powell and bam hasn't been great either. Powell is near 32% usg with mid numbers. Real bad.

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[twix2500]

The biggest roster problem the Heat has is not Ware. Ware is playing like a 2nd year player on a team trying to contend. The biggest problem is Jovic. The Heat have committed to him contractually and is playing at a level lower than his rookie season. The question is should the Heat tend to getting Jovic back to being an effective player moreso than Ware? I would say, as of right now yes.

I believe Spo has to find an answer for Jovic. He was suppose to be starter this season, but he is playing below the level of a backup. Spo has to find a way for Jovic.

The Line up of Jakucionis, Larsson, Jaquez, Jovic and Ware should be humming by this time of the season. Being led by Jovic, Jaquez and Ware.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The biggest roster problem the Heat has is not Ware. Ware is playing like a 2nd year player on a team trying to contend. The biggest problem is Jovic. The Heat have committed to him contractually and is playing at a level lower than his rookie season. The question is should the Heat tend to getting Jovic back to being an effective player moreso than Ware? I would say, as of right now yes.

I believe Spo has to find an answer for Jovic. He was suppose to be starter this season, but he is playing below the level of a backup. Spo has to find a way for Jovic.

Looking at a Winslow 2.0 contract situation with Jovic. Very hard to deal him this year under the PPP with his contract jumping to 16 million. Cap is precious right now for many teams. Heat got suckered yet again

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