Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[MettaWorldPanda]

Hayward at 20 million discount easy. I like Crowder but he's more of a grinder type player in my eyes.

Really? That quick and easy of a decision?

Take a look at this:

Hayward vs Crowder 2016

They're basically the same player stat wise, except for Hayward's shot volume being 50% greater. Thought that was interesting.

Very interesting stat comparison but the eye test from watching Hayward since Butler tells me he's more of a difference maker on the court over Crowder. But interesting stat comparison non the less. No way in hell do i see Hayward taking 20 million from any team when he has Utah probably ready and willing to max him. If he signs for less it's probably like 28 mil per. In that case give me someone like Crowder and Winslow in tandem.

[BBallFreak]

Sign Blake Griffin, dump McBob and don't pick up Ellington, then resign Waiters at a deal starting at $15 million. Offer JJ the MLE. Roll with a team of:

Pg: Dragic / TJ
Sg: Waiters / Richardson
Sf: McGruder / Winslow
Pf: Griffin / JJ
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

My only concern would be health, but damn, I like that team...

[twix2500]

Sign Blake Griffin, dump McBob and don't pick up Ellington, then resign Waiters at a deal starting at $15 million. Offer JJ the MLE. Roll with a team of:

Pg: Dragic / TJ
Sg: Waiters / Richardson
Sf: McGruder / Winslow
Pf: Griffin / JJ
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

My only concern would be health, but damn, I like that team...

How about this,

Pg: Dragic / TJ
Sg: Waiters / Richardson
Sf:Danny Green/ Winslow
Pf: Griffin / JJ
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

[Daffy]

It's amazing how content some of you guys have become with being an average team.

"We had the second best record second half of the season"
"I rather keep Dion and JJ over signing Hayward"
"We have a roster that can give some teams hell"

Reality check we still missed the playoffs. Good teams find ways to win even with injuries. We're not the only team that had injuries first half of the season. Utah Jazz had a lot of injuries and still played competitive. Yes we had the best second half record behind golden state, but do you guys honestly think we're better than Spurs, Memphis, Houston, OKC, Utah? We're probably not even better than Boston, Washington, or the Bucks. If we were as "good" as many of you think we are then Riley wouldn't be in the Gordon Hayward hunt. In this league you need stars to win. Right now we have 2 great complimentary pieces in Dragic and Whiteside but we definitely need that star. You're either going to draft a star (Anthony Davis example), trade the farm for one (Jimmy Butler example). For those of you who believe we can bring back Waiters, JJ, and some other piece and contend are in for major disappointment.

[BBallFreak]

I don't see where we'd fit Green in with Waiters and Griffin. Just don't have enough cash.

[DayofMourning]

I'd take Griffin on this team just for the fun commercials he'd bring if healthy.

[J-House]

I hate Blake Griffin.

[DayofMourning]

It's amazing how content some of you guys have become with being an average team.

"We had the second best record second half of the season"
"I rather keep Dion and JJ over signing Hayward"
"We have a roster that can give some teams hell"

Reality check we still missed the playoffs. Good teams find ways to win even with injuries. We're not the only team that had injuries first half of the season. Utah Jazz had a lot of injuries and still played competitive. Yes we had the best second half record behind golden state, but do you guys honestly think we're better than Spurs, Memphis, Houston, OKC, Utah? We're probably not even better than Boston, Washington, or the Bucks. If we were as "good" as many of you think we are then Riley wouldn't be in the Gordon Hayward hunt. In this league you need stars to win. Right now we have 2 great complimentary pieces in Dragic and Whiteside but we definitely need that star. You're either going to draft a star (Anthony Davis example), trade the farm for one (Jimmy Butler example). For those of you who believe we can bring back Waiters, JJ, and some other piece and contend are in for major disappointment.

So what star are we getting?

As much fun as Hayward would be to sign, he'd cost an assload of money that far outweighs his impact. He's a good player and I'd be very happy to have him, but to pay 33% of the cap to a guy who barely made one all star team after 7 seasons is going to handicap this team.

Full disclosure-I wouldn't mind though. I don't see us winning a chip as built, but I'd root for them as heartily as ever.

[twix2500]

I don't see where we'd fit Green in with Waiters and Griffin. Just don't have enough cash.

Fin trade Tyler Johnson and Josh McRoberts for Danny Green and 2018 first round draft pick. Sign Collison for the min


Pg: Dragic / Collison
Sg: Waiters / Richardson
Sf: Danny Green / Winslow
Pf: Griffin / JJ
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

[UD4MVP]

There are major shakeups in the east playoff picture. Chicago, Atlanta, Indiana are essentially hitting the reset button. I think our realistic goals should be to to get at least the 4th seed, and be able to send PHX a weak pick.

[DayofMourning]

There are major shakeups in the east playoff picture. Chicago, Atlanta, Indiana are essentially hitting the reset button. I think our realistic goals should be to to get at least the 4th seed, and be able to send PHX a weak pick.

We could be 2nd seed if healthy. Our team chemistry is off the charts good. The East is not strong at all outside of Cleveland. ECF, here we come.

[gom]

Some of you are putting together great teams

Spoiler:

for 2011.

[Wiltside]

No way Danny Green would start over Winslow. Have you seen that dude lately? He's homeless these days.

I feel you guys are severely underrating Gordon Hayward. He's a star, and just starting to reach his prime.

Something to consider, for those advocating for getting PG and not Hayward.

21.9ppg
5.4rpg
3.5apg
1.0spg
0.3bpg
1.9tpg
34.5mpg
47.1%fg / 39.8% 3fg (2.0 per game) / 84.4%ft (5.9apg)

23.7ppg
6.6rpg
3.3apg
1.6spg
0.4bpg
2.9tpg
35.9mpg
46.1%fg / 39.3% 3fg (2.6 per game) / 89.8% ft (5.0 attempts per game)

Both are 26 years of age.

[BBallFreak]

I don't see where we'd fit Green in with Waiters and Griffin. Just don't have enough cash.

Fin trade Tyler Johnson and Josh McRoberts for Danny Green and 2018 first round draft pick. Sign Collison for the min


Pg: Dragic / Collison
Sg: Waiters / Richardson
Sf: Danny Green / Winslow
Pf: Griffin / JJ
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

In order to keep Waiters at that $15 million and sign Griffin, I think we'd need to have that Josh McRoberts money gone. Not replaced, as you did, but gone.

Whiteside - 23.8
Dragic - 17
TJ - 5.8
Winslow - 2.7
J-Rich - 1.5
McGruder - 1.3
White - 1.3

That's roughly $52.7 million in salary, not including cap holds or the rights to Bam, which should be about $2 million. If the cap is $99 million, you'd be looking at $44.3 million in space. Sounds great, right? It is. We can sign a max free agent like Griffin and possibly keep Waiters for close to that $15 million that he will command/want.

Green takes $10 million of that money. You're choosing Green over Waiters. And why would the Spurs make that awful trade?

That's not even taking into account that Collison can probably garner a pretty huge contract right now, so I don't see why he'd come here for the minimum...

[MettaWorldPanda]

There are major shakeups in the east playoff picture. Chicago, Atlanta, Indiana are essentially hitting the reset button. I think our realistic goals should be to to get at least the 4th seed, and be able to send PHX a weak pick.

We could be 2nd seed if healthy. Our team chemistry is off the charts good. The East is not strong at all outside of Cleveland. ECF, here we come.

Exactly what i was thinking.

[Daffy]

It's amazing how content some of you guys have become with being an average team.

"We had the second best record second half of the season"
"I rather keep Dion and JJ over signing Hayward"
"We have a roster that can give some teams hell"

Reality check we still missed the playoffs. Good teams find ways to win even with injuries. We're not the only team that had injuries first half of the season. Utah Jazz had a lot of injuries and still played competitive. Yes we had the best second half record behind golden state, but do you guys honestly think we're better than Spurs, Memphis, Houston, OKC, Utah? We're probably not even better than Boston, Washington, or the Bucks. If we were as "good" as many of you think we are then Riley wouldn't be in the Gordon Hayward hunt. In this league you need stars to win. Right now we have 2 great complimentary pieces in Dragic and Whiteside but we definitely need that star. You're either going to draft a star (Anthony Davis example), trade the farm for one (Jimmy Butler example). For those of you who believe we can bring back Waiters, JJ, and some other piece and contend are in for major disappointment.

So what star are we getting?

As much fun as Hayward would be to sign, he'd cost an assload of money that far outweighs his impact. He's a good player and I'd be very happy to have him, but to pay 33% of the cap to a guy who barely made one all star team after 7 seasons is going to handicap this team.

Full disclosure-I wouldn't mind though. I don't see us winning a chip as built, but I'd root for them as heartily as ever.

I understand what you're saying, but if we bring Waiters, JJ and keep Tyler our cap situation will still suck. Either way we probably won't win a chip but Hayward or Blake brings us closer. Factor in that stars also want to play with stars, and we need at least one to generate interest. I'm in the same boat as you by the way, I'll root for us regardless of who we put on the court.

[twix2500]

I don't see where we'd fit Green in with Waiters and Griffin. Just don't have enough cash.

Fin trade Tyler Johnson and Josh McRoberts for Danny Green and 2018 first round draft pick. Sign Collison for the min


Pg: Dragic / Collison
Sg: Waiters / Richardson
Sf: Danny Green / Winslow
Pf: Griffin / JJ
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

In order to keep Waiters at that $15 million and sign Griffin, I think we'd need to have that Josh McRoberts money gone. Not replaced, as you did, but gone.

Whiteside - 23.8
Dragic - 17
TJ - 5.8
Winslow - 2.7
J-Rich - 1.5
McGruder - 1.3
White - 1.3

That's roughly $52.7 million in salary, not including cap holds or the rights to Bam, which should be about $2 million. If the cap is $99 million, you'd be looking at $44.3 million in space. Sounds great, right? It is. We can sign a max free agent like Griffin and possibly keep Waiters for close to that $15 million that he will command/want.

Green takes $10 million of that money. You're choosing Green over Waiters. And why would the Spurs make that awful trade?

That's not even taking into account that Collison can probably garner a pretty huge contract right now, so I don't see why he'd come here for the minimum...

Trading TJ and McRoberts for Danny Green. The Heat can cut both White and McGruder and then resign them. Both are non guarantee I believe. The Spurs are shopping Danny Green for salary cap space to sign Chris Paul.

[IggieCC]

If I hear "if healthy" one more time from dom I'm gonna lose it

[UD4MVP]

Another appealing aspect of us somehow getting Hayward would be the saltiness of Celtics fans, that would make the season worth it imo

[twix2500]

I don't see where we'd fit Green in with Waiters and Griffin. Just don't have enough cash.

Fin trade Tyler Johnson and Josh McRoberts for Danny Green and 2018 first round draft pick. Sign Collison for the min


Pg: Dragic / Collison
Sg: Waiters / Richardson
Sf: Danny Green / Winslow
Pf: Griffin / JJ
Cc: Whiteside / Bam

In order to keep Waiters at that $15 million and sign Griffin, I think we'd need to have that Josh McRoberts money gone. Not replaced, as you did, but gone.

Whiteside - 23.8
Dragic - 17
TJ - 5.8
Winslow - 2.7
J-Rich - 1.5
McGruder - 1.3
White - 1.3

That's roughly $52.7 million in salary, not including cap holds or the rights to Bam, which should be about $2 million. If the cap is $99 million, you'd be looking at $44.3 million in space. Sounds great, right? It is. We can sign a max free agent like Griffin and possibly keep Waiters for close to that $15 million that he will command/want.

Green takes $10 million of that money. You're choosing Green over Waiters. And why would the Spurs make that awful trade?

That's not even taking into account that Collison can probably garner a pretty huge contract right now, so I don't see why he'd come here for the minimum...

Trade for Aldridge so Spurs can get Blake Griffin

C - Hassan Whiteside ~~~~~~~$23,775,506
PF - LaMarcus Aldridge ~~~~~$21,461,010
SG - Gordon Hayward ~~~~~~$29,000,000
PG - Goran Dragic ~~~~~~~~~$17,000,450
SF - Justise Winslow ~~~~~~~$2,705,040
F/G - Josh Richardson ~~~~~$1,471,382
PG - Darren Collison ~~~~~~~$2,500,000
F/C - Bam Adedayo ~~~~~~~~$1,804,600
Total Cap ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $99,717,988

F - Udonis Haslem ~~~~~~~~~$1,312,611 (Min)
F - Michael Beasley ~~~~~~~~$1,312,611 (Min)
G/F - Luke Babbit ~~~~~~~~~$1,312,611 (Min)
G/F - Rodney McGruder ~~~~$1,312,611 (Min)
F - Okaro White ~~~~~~~~~~~$1,312,611 (Min)
F - Jame Johnson ~~~~~~~~~$8,400,000 (Mid Level Exception)
SG- Dwyane Wade ~~~~~~~~~$4,328,000 (Room Exception)

Release/resign McGruder and White - Renounce/Resign Babbit