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SoFlaKingReal wrote:From Randy Embry's Bio on Heat website:
"Prior to his coaching career, Embry played four seasons of college basketball and baseball at the University of Kentucky (1961-65). On the basketball court, he played under the tutelage of legendary coach Adolph Rupp and was a teammate of HEAT President Pat Riley."
Pat takes care of his own man....plus maybe this guy really does have info straight from Pat.
BenoUdrihFTL wrote:AirP. wrote:BenoUdrihFTL wrote:
Ok but I was comparing Herro to Barrett and you come in with an example of poor shot selection from Herro
Again, Barrett posted a 51% TS on 41/34/71 shooting splits. If we're talking shot selection then most of Barrett's FGAs were poor shot selection based on his horrendous efficiency
Right, one is a 2 way player that doesn't take crazy ass shots, the other could be a big scorer who takes some highly questionable shots, I easily take RJ before Herro and to me it's not a hard decision.
How do you know Barrett doesn't take bad shots? He took more shots than Herro despite being SIGNIFICANTLY less efficient. A 51% TS player taking over 17 shots/game is by definition taking bad shots
And how are you sure he's a 2 way player? Knicks were 5.6 points per 100 possessions WORSE defensively with Barrett on the floor. Even your beloved individual DRTG says Herro is the better defender. I don't agree with that, individual ORTG/DRTG are pretty close to worthless stats, and I think Barrett is the better defender or at least has the potential to be, but the question is whether the gap in defense is so great as to overcome Barrett's offense-killing combo of high volume and brutal inefficiency
keep em coming.
AirP. wrote:BenoUdrihFTL wrote:AirP. wrote:
Right, one is a 2 way player that doesn't take crazy ass shots, the other could be a big scorer who takes some highly questionable shots, I easily take RJ before Herro and to me it's not a hard decision.
How do you know Barrett doesn't take bad shots? He took more shots than Herro despite being SIGNIFICANTLY less efficient. A 51% TS player taking over 17 shots/game is by definition taking bad shots
And how are you sure he's a 2 way player? Knicks were 5.6 points per 100 possessions WORSE defensively with Barrett on the floor. Even your beloved individual DRTG says Herro is the better defender. I don't agree with that, individual ORTG/DRTG are pretty close to worthless stats, and I think Barrett is the better defender or at least has the potential to be, but the question is whether the gap in defense is so great as to overcome Barrett's offense-killing combo of high volume and brutal inefficiency
I've watched some Knicks games? Not as many as Miami games but a decent amount.
Yes statistically RJ had a worse year as a starter then Herro did coming off the bench. Something that most seem to ignore is that RJ is starting and going against starters more often then a backup does. I don't really care that Herro had starter minutes, he comes into games in the first quarter as starters are going out of the games to rest, same thing happens in the 2nd half. Does he play against more starters then normal backups... yes but not nearly the amount a starter does.
On the ORTG and DRTGs I use, I break up the players in to roleplayers and non roleplayers, also the stats aren't 1:1 portable to other team's numbers since each team plays differently, it's why I point out the differences against other teammates. I hope to have the ability in the future to actually see how often a player plays against a starter or a high level defender but that's a project that's going to take a while to get done since I don't code all that much outside of work anymore although I'm trying to get back into doing that again.
insfo wrote:AirP. wrote:BenoUdrihFTL wrote:
How do you know Barrett doesn't take bad shots? He took more shots than Herro despite being SIGNIFICANTLY less efficient. A 51% TS player taking over 17 shots/game is by definition taking bad shots
And how are you sure he's a 2 way player? Knicks were 5.6 points per 100 possessions WORSE defensively with Barrett on the floor. Even your beloved individual DRTG says Herro is the better defender. I don't agree with that, individual ORTG/DRTG are pretty close to worthless stats, and I think Barrett is the better defender or at least has the potential to be, but the question is whether the gap in defense is so great as to overcome Barrett's offense-killing combo of high volume and brutal inefficiency
I've watched some Knicks games? Not as many as Miami games but a decent amount.
Yes statistically RJ had a worse year as a starter then Herro did coming off the bench. Something that most seem to ignore is that RJ is starting and going against starters more often then a backup does. I don't really care that Herro had starter minutes, he comes into games in the first quarter as starters are going out of the games to rest, same thing happens in the 2nd half. Does he play against more starters then normal backups... yes but not nearly the amount a starter does.
On the ORTG and DRTGs I use, I break up the players in to roleplayers and non roleplayers, also the stats aren't 1:1 portable to other team's numbers since each team plays differently, it's why I point out the differences against other teammates. I hope to have the ability in the future to actually see how often a player plays against a starter or a high level defender but that's a project that's going to take a while to get done since I don't code all that much outside of work anymore although I'm trying to get back into doing that again.
FWIW, I took a quick look at the Knicks board, and a lot of their fans seem as skeptical about Barrett as you are about Herro. It's all about narratives as this point, as the Knicks seem to be pumping out news stories non-stop on how they won't trade RJB, and there by artificially making it seem like he's some franchise cornerstone.
DayofMourning wrote:Every time I see a tweet from NBA Central I gag a little bit.
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carnageta wrote:RJ Barrett - same age as Herro, averaged slightly less points on worse efficiency. Also has a lower assist/turnover ratio.
I'm not buying this whole 'Barrett is a substantially better asset than Herro' narrative. It's bs, and it's being spurred around just because it's the Knicks. If the roles were reversed and Tyler was in NY and RJ was in Miami, they'd be saying how Barret isn't as good of an asset as Herro.
"But Herro struggled in the playoffs so he's not as good!" - ANDDD Barrett has never once played a single ounce of meaningful basketball in his career, outside of the 1st round of series against the Hawks last season, when the Knicks lost in 5 and RJ averaged a whopping 14ppg on 38% shooting.
One player has been to the finals and the ECF in his first three seasons, and the other hasn't made it out of the first round (and lost in devastating fashion the sole time he made it there).
The whole narrative is bs. Put Herro on a bottom feeder like the Knicks and he probably averages 23-25ppg lol.
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