Andrew Bynum

[NBAfan3024]

Sources already think riley is on this..

[AlexCRO]

I truly think we are the best we've ever been but I for one would jump at the chance of having Bynum on our roster. Oden may work out but we've absolutely no proof that he will. Bynum may be lazy and immobile but he has proven even at his laziest that he can add something that our roster doesn't have.

We then use him when we need him or when he benefits us.

Getting him is a no-brainer - it'd be nice to trade a couple of players in advance to frr up a spot and save Arison a bit of cash but that's unlikely.

Question is who do we waive?

JJ isn't used but is great backup material. Doc isn't used but could still be a trade chip, UD is finished but is our co-captain. There is no way we let Mason go, we need him whereas the three above we don't need.

I could see us waiving JJ then attempting to trade away Doc before taking JJ back for the remainder of the
season. I'd prefer we just put UD on the coaching staff.

Why do we need mason, what are u talking about ? the guy is not playing, when chalmers gets back he will be in a suit next to oden all the time and when the playoffs come he will not see the floor, we dont need him for anything

noobs really ought to have a limit to the number of posts they can make in the first year. This thread seems to be full of your posts.

We need Mason because Rio or cole could be injured at anytime and he is the backup - on top of that he's a decent backup who can hit the 3 and defend a little. Check with GT3 who likes his stats and you'll find that Mason has played much more than JJ or Doc. Mason is a must for the regular season otherwise Wade would be forced into playing more minutes.

speaking of noobs if you really think he would play in the playoffs despite cole or chalmers eventual injury for the regular season sure i will give you that but the regular season doesnt meen jack squat to me and us... we need guys that can help us win in the postseason when it counts !

[AlexCRO]

Cool. Still doesn't mean that we desperately need him like 90% of this board is suggesting....Miami's an untraditional team man, and they won back to back titles this way. Another big would be nice, but it's not the end of the world if things don't work out the way you want them to. You have to play to your strengths....

Oh ok, center isn't a major need now? Last in rebounding, always giving up points in the paint. No resistance in the paint, cant guard the three because we are busy over helping on defense. So now we don't need another center but we got Oden in the offseason.?. oH ok....

Wow...ok me rephrase. I'd love to have Bynum for cheap....but there are still many questions about him and how he'd fit. Hate to brake it to you, but team "fit" matters in this league and it sounds to me like you haven't been watching Bynum at all this year, otherwise most of you wouldn't be this adamant. And besides, say we don't land him, what would that say about Oden and his health? By saying we "need" Bynum, you're implying that without him we're toast....well the last few years prove otherwise and if a Bynum signing doesn't come to pass, then we can safely assume Oden is in a good place right now in terms of his health.

In the end, I trust Pat Riley....

we can speak and cry about it, but if riley says no...

[HIF]

Why do we need mason, what are u talking about ? the guy is not playing, when chalmers gets back he will be in a suit next to oden all the time and when the playoffs come he will not see the floor, we dont need him for anything

noobs really ought to have a limit to the number of posts they can make in the first year. This thread seems to be full of your posts.

We need Mason because Rio or cole could be injured at anytime and he is the backup - on top of that he's a decent backup who can hit the 3 and defend a little. Check with GT3 who likes his stats and you'll find that Mason has played much more than JJ or Doc. Mason is a must for the regular season otherwise Wade would be forced into playing more minutes.

speaking of noobs if you really think he would play in the playoffs despite cole or chalmers eventual injury for the regular season sure i will give you that but the regular season doesnt meen jack squat to me and us... we need guys that can help us win in the postseason when it counts !

The Regular season means everything to Wade in terms of wear and tear. Mason will reduce that - try to see the big picture. We're not relying on any 10th, 11th or 12th players to win in the postseason just as long as our top players are healthy when we get there.

[AlexCRO]

noobs really ought to have a limit to the number of posts they can make in the first year. This thread seems to be full of your posts.

We need Mason because Rio or cole could be injured at anytime and he is the backup - on top of that he's a decent backup who can hit the 3 and defend a little. Check with GT3 who likes his stats and you'll find that Mason has played much more than JJ or Doc. Mason is a must for the regular season otherwise Wade would be forced into playing more minutes.

speaking of noobs if you really think he would play in the playoffs despite cole or chalmers eventual injury for the regular season sure i will give you that but the regular season doesnt meen jack squat to me and us... we need guys that can help us win in the postseason when it counts !

The Regular season means everything to Wade in terms of wear and tear. Mason will reduce that - try to see the big picture. We're not relying on any 10th, 11th or 12th players to win in the postseason just as long as our top players are healthy when we get there.

at thats what i said that i give you your point about the regular season and wade health. of course its all about the playoffs there is no question about it. but we can preserve wade without mason also and if we have any interest in bynum wich is doubtfull then mason should not be on the team. and if i think better i would waive JJ before mason so i will give you the benefit of the doubt

[heater4life]

Like I said, at the minimum the Heat may deem he is work the risk. Beyond being a big body he is not a fit for the Heat. As another poster noted, guys like dampier, pittman, curry didnt fit the bill because of their lack of mobility, not size.

No, they didn't fit the bill because they suck. Why don't you tell everybody about their illustrious careers post-Miami?

If were going that route, then explain to me why Joel Anthony was a starter for the Miami Heat? Must be because of his unlimited ceiling and all star potential.

[Tony15]

this isn't rocket science. Stop overthinking spacing and all that nonsense. You have a physical Big that can manhandle other centers. I don't care if he's slow, he's not gonna play a whole bunch of minutes unless he's healthy enough or effective. He's a big similar to Oden, but he's proven. How do you want what Oden brings and not what Bynum bring? it doesn't make any sense

Cool. Still doesn't mean that we desperately need him like 90% of this board is suggesting....Miami's an untraditional team man, and they won back to back titles this way. Another big would be nice, but it's not the end of the world if things don't work out the way you want them to. You have to play to your strengths....

Why'd we make any moves then? I mean, we won a championship last year. Why go after Beasley? Why go after Oden?

Good lord you guys are missing the point, but fine I'll play along. First of all, we went after Beasley because we released Mike Miller for luxury tax reasons. We needed a replacement and we got one; a great one at that considering how well he's played most of the year. Oden? Well it's pretty obvious that it's because of Roy Hibbert and the Pacers why he's here, plus there were no other big man options available at the time. I'm not sitting here and denying that we could use a big man. But that being said, you still need to play to your strengths...and we're at our best with the floor spaced for LBJ and Wade to operate. Don't dismiss that as if it's meaningless; this is what our personell dictates. If we can get Bynum for cheap, then hell yeah go for it if he's available. But this delusion that we desperately "need" Bynum is nonsense.....sorry. We're an untraditional team that plays small and we've won titles this way; it's no fluke. But again, In Riley I trust...

[AlexCRO]

Like I said, at the minimum the Heat may deem he is work the risk. Beyond being a big body he is not a fit for the Heat. As another poster noted, guys like dampier, pittman, curry didnt fit the bill because of their lack of mobility, not size.

No, they didn't fit the bill because they suck. Why don't you tell everybody about their illustrious careers post-Miami?

If were going that route, then explain to me why Joel Anthony was a starter for the Miami Heat? Must be because of his unlimited ceiling and all star potential.

because the guy who cant catch a pass was better then those guys above wich says alot of our center lineup was back in the day, it was pure S****... it has nothing to do with Joels mobility, why doesnt he play at center now then ?

[AlexCRO]

Cool. Still doesn't mean that we desperately need him like 90% of this board is suggesting....Miami's an untraditional team man, and they won back to back titles this way. Another big would be nice, but it's not the end of the world if things don't work out the way you want them to. You have to play to your strengths....

Why'd we make any moves then? I mean, we won a championship last year. Why go after Beasley? Why go after Oden?

Good lord you guys are missing the point, but fine I'll play along. First of all, we went after Beasley because we released Mike Miller for luxury tax reasons. We needed a replacement and we got one; a great one at that considering how well he's played most of the year. Oden? Well it's pretty obvious that it's because of Roy Hibbert and the Pacers why he's here, plus there were no other big man options available at the time. I'm not sitting here and denying that we could use a big man. But that being said, you still need to play to your strengths...and we're at our best with the floor spaced for LBJ and Wade to operate. Don't dismiss that as if it's meaningless; this is what our personell dictates. If we can get Bynum for cheap, then hell yeah go for it if he's available. But this delusion that we desperately "need" Bynum is nonsense.....sorry. We're an untraditional team that plays small and we've won titles this way; it's no fluke. But again, In Riley I trust...

i agree with all you said but do you still think small ball is our strenght especially against the Pacers ? we barely beat san antonio who was playing small ball as well for the most part of the series

[aquaadverse]

LOL at all the people who think Bynum is the answer and any Center pickup is better than no Center pickup. Bynum frankly sucks in our system. He's not the same guy he was on the Lakers. He's immobile, taking more shots away from the basket while converting at a 41% rate. When he was on the floor with Cleveland this year, they were last in transition defense by a large margin. So the choir will stop screaming about rebounds and start screaming about stopping fast break points. Instead of running around with your hair on fire over Hibbert, you'll be complaining about Stevenson and George getting to the rim in transition.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/88016/the-cavs-are-thinking-playoffs-the-bulls-are-thinking-ahead

Scroll to the end for his stats this year.

Is Center a weakness ? Yep. Would I be against getting Bynum for the minimum, assuming Riley works some magic with an end of the bench player ? Nope. But the Dude isn't starting. He'd be a minimal contributor on this team. I think using Bird and Bosh on the court at the time in the same situational scenarios is a better solution then the Messiah who shall be called Bynum. If the Heat merely wanted a 7 foot body to fill the lane, they could have picked up any number of players. Like they did with Dampier, Curry and Pittman. The issue is changing the offensive and defensive schemes for a single player.

[GameTime_3]

We need Mason because Rio or cole could be injured at anytime and he is the backup - on top of that he's a decent backup who can hit the 3 and defend a little. Check with GT3 who likes his stats and you'll find that Mason has played much more than JJ or Doc. Mason is a must for the regular season otherwise Wade would be forced into playing more minutes.

Thanks HIF! Next time, if you want to impress your friends go on "Google" insert name of player and BOOM! Stats come out!

Mason has played in 17 games for 11mpg.
Jones has played 10games for 6.6pmg.

The argument that Mason > JJ is a valid one on the court but off the court, I think Riley likes JJ and JJ has been part of this team longer then Mason. If I'm Riley I'm waiving James Jones but letting him know that if Bynum acts up or if we see a single injury, JJ would be signed back. To me Bynum is a big signing if we can get him and we shouldn't look back if its an option. Oden should be ready but this give us another option and vs. Hibbert, Duncan..I like options that don't include Joel, UD or Bosh at C.

[heater4life]

No, they didn't fit the bill because they suck. Why don't you tell everybody about their illustrious careers post-Miami?

If were going that route, then explain to me why Joel Anthony was a starter for the Miami Heat? Must be because of his unlimited ceiling and all star potential.

because the guy who cant catch a pass was better then those guys above wich says alot of our center lineup was back in the day, it was pure S****... it has nothing to do with Joels mobility, why doesnt he play at center now then ?

Your right, our centers were garbage. The only reason an offensively inept, 6'9 undersized Joel Anthony even saw the floor was solely because of his mobility, excellent pick and role play, and shot blocking ability.

The reason he doesnt play now is because Birdman does exactly that, but has legitimate size and can finish around the basket.

[HIF]

LOL at all the people who think Bynum is the answer and any Center pickup is better than no Center pickup. Bynum frankly sucks in our system. He's not the same guy he was on the Lakers. He's immobile, taking more shots away from the basket while converting at a 41% rate. When he was on the floor with Cleveland this year, they were last in transition defense by a large margin. So the choir will stop screaming about rebounds and start screaming about stopping fast break points. Instead of running around with your hair on fire over Hibbert, you'll be complaining about Stevenson and George getting to the rim in transition.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/88016/the-cavs-are-thinking-playoffs-the-bulls-are-thinking-ahead

Scroll to the end for his stats this year.

Is Center a weakness ? Yep. Would I be against getting Bynum for the minimum, assuming Riley works some magic with an end of the bench player ? Nope. But the Dude isn't starting. He'd be a minimal contributor on this team. I think using Bird and Bosh on the court at the time in the same situational scenarios is a better solution then the Messiah who shall be called Bynum. If the Heat merely wanted a 7 foot body to fill the lane, they could have picked up any number of players. Like they did with Dampier, Curry and Pittman. The issue is changing the offensive and defensive schemes for a single player.

Hey man, if that's the case don't you think that Riley and spo won't show any interest?

[HIF]

We need Mason because Rio or cole could be injured at anytime and he is the backup - on top of that he's a decent backup who can hit the 3 and defend a little. Check with GT3 who likes his stats and you'll find that Mason has played much more than JJ or Doc. Mason is a must for the regular season otherwise Wade would be forced into playing more minutes.

Thanks HIF! Next time, if you want to impress your friends go on "Google" insert name of player and BOOM! Stats come out!

Mason has played in 17 games for 11mpg.
Jones has played 10games for 6.6pmg.

The argument that Mason > JJ is a valid one on the court but off the court, I think Riley likes JJ and JJ has been part of this team longer then Mason. If I'm Riley I'm waiving James Jones but letting him know that if Bynum acts up or if we see a single injury, JJ would be signed back. To me Bynum is a big signing if we can get him and we shouldn't look back if its an option. Oden should be ready but this give us another option and vs. Hibbert, Duncan..I like options that don't include Joel, UD or Bosh at C.

damn, we agree again.

btw I know how to find stats and realise that you can find stats to support any argument that you want. why would I waste my time looking up stats on everything when I have faith in my own eyes that take in far more than a few stats. I waste enough time popping up on here and posting.

[AlexCRO]

We need Mason because Rio or cole could be injured at anytime and he is the backup - on top of that he's a decent backup who can hit the 3 and defend a little. Check with GT3 who likes his stats and you'll find that Mason has played much more than JJ or Doc. Mason is a must for the regular season otherwise Wade would be forced into playing more minutes.

Thanks HIF! Next time, if you want to impress your friends go on "Google" insert name of player and BOOM! Stats come out!

Mason has played in 17 games for 11mpg.
Jones has played 10games for 6.6pmg.

The argument that Mason > JJ is a valid one on the court but off the court, I think Riley likes JJ and JJ has been part of this team longer then Mason. If I'm Riley I'm waiving James Jones but letting him know that if Bynum acts up or if we see a single injury, JJ would be signed back. To me Bynum is a big signing if we can get him and we shouldn't look back if its an option. Oden should be ready but this give us another option and vs. Hibbert, Duncan..I like options that don't include Joel, UD or Bosh at C.

damn, we agree again.

btw I know how to find stats and realise that you can find stats to support any argument that you want. why would I waste my time looking up stats on everything when I have faith in my own eyes that take in far more than a few stats. I waste enough time popping up on here and posting.

yeah i agree with all but you said it.. there is no way riley cuts JJ before he cuts mason, only if JJ is tired of the bench and wants to retire wich would be a dream scenario

[HIF]

We're both saying he will cut JJ before mason.

[AlexCRO]

We're both saying he will cut JJ before mason.

we will see, the clock is runing

[heatlespeatles]

Cool. Still doesn't mean that we desperately need him like 90% of this board is suggesting....Miami's an untraditional team man, and they won back to back titles this way. Another big would be nice, but it's not the end of the world if things don't work out the way you want them to. You have to play to your strengths....

Oh ok, center isn't a major need now? Last in rebounding, always giving up points in the paint. No resistance in the paint, cant guard the three because we are busy over helping on defense. So now we don't need another center but we got Oden in the offseason.?. oH ok....

Wow...ok me rephrase. I'd love to have Bynum for cheap....but there are still many questions about him and how he'd fit. Hate to brake it to you, but team "fit" matters in this league and it sounds to me like you haven't been watching Bynum at all this year, otherwise most of you wouldn't be this adamant. And besides, say we don't land him, what would that say about Oden and his health? By saying we "need" Bynum, you're implying that without him we're toast....well the last few years prove otherwise and if a Bynum signing doesn't come to pass, then we can safely assume Oden is in a good place right now in terms of his health.

In the end, I trust Pat Riley....

Okay i'll put it this way for you. I'm not saying we are toast but I'm saying without inside presence like Bynum or Oden then we are MORE likely to fall short. WITH them, we are LESS likely to fall short of a championship because they satisfy our greatest weakness

we are a small team, we didn't want to play small ball, we HAD to play small ball, we don't have any bigs. Its that simple. We struggle in our series' because we play small and if 3's aren't dropping we tend to lose. We cant defend bigs, we cant get rebounds, we cant defend the 3, and all of this is because we are weak inside.

I' dont agree with those who think Bynum doesn't fit, i think he does, because I think Oden does and they do the same thing. What i think is they help us to play a more traditional way. They help us to go small and go Big on any team in the league, whichever we need to win. Its hypocritical to be all excited about Oden and not Bynum also, its rather stupid-- they're like the same damn player. Bynum is more refined offensively, Oden is better defensively. Neither of them are players we will play "small" with, so lets put that to bed.

[deedsy]

so what time does he officially clear waivers? 4pm est?

[Tony15]

That's fair. Thanks for the explanation.