Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread

[HeatFanDan]

I though this thread was about D.Wade's appreciation to us and not bitching about how it ended.

Inbtl

Relax, buddy. I'm dropping knowledge here.

[DWadeno3]

Blah blah blah. People are going to continue coming in acting like being a fan of Wade and being a fan of the Heat have always been different things. People are going to also continue to pretend if only LeBron didn't "corrupt" Wade he'd be the loyal, self deprecating dummy they all view him as.

Somehow Wade has "changed" for wanting his money and its a bad thing, but its perfectly understandable that Whiteside get his the minute its available despite having proven nothing so far. I honestly think some of you are bigger fans of Wade than I am, because it appears you all view/viewed him as some type of saint who could never and should never work for his own interests while everybody, including Riley, is free to work towards theirs at all times.

I would bet a million dollars (if I had it) that you were not a "Heat fan" prior to 2010. That would explain why you're so quick to throw Riles under the bus. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that ALL of the people siding with Wade on this whole thing are "newer" Heat fans.

Long-time Heat fans like myself, whose fandom dates back to the 90's, would never stoop to s**tting on Riles for simply doing his job. This man took the Heat from a neophyte, losing, irrelevant franchise, and turned them into a winner almost immediately. I take that VERY seriously. I remember the Ron Rothstein/Kevin Loughery days, when pretty much our entire roster was comprised of what today would be D-League talent, and it wasn't pretty.

Just keep in mind when you're slandering Pat Riley that he is working for the good of the Miami Heat franchise, while players (Wade included), are working for their personal gain.

Riley himself admitted to not handling the situation well. It might be just to save face, but I don't take him for such a person. Riley is not free of mistakes and this offseason was a poor one, including the way Wade was handled.

At the end of the day, if we wanted to improve our odds of landing Durant, we take care of Wade first and make sure he's in on the pitch. You don't enter such meetings with the prospect of playing alongside Whiteside and Dragic and maybe, just maybe Bosh, who is at risk to have yet another season ending illness.

That's why I keep saying, we need new attractive assets on this team. I like Dragic and his game, but he's just not it and neither is Whiteside. I'm definitely moving Dragic, make sure Bosh doesn't play for us again and if an interesting offer for Whiteside comes in, possibly move him as well.

[Mos_Heat]

I though this thread was about D.Wade's appreciation to us and not bitching about how it ended.

Inbtl

You are so naive, brah

[goodboy]

I though this thread was about D.Wade's appreciation to us and not bitching about how it ended.

Inbtl

You are so naive, brah

Inbtl

[goodboy]

I though this thread was about D.Wade's appreciation to us and not bitching about how it ended.

Inbtl

Relax, buddy. I'm dropping knowledge here.

I didnt even read any of the posts so don't worry, I already knew what it was about lol.

[HeatFanDan]

Blah blah blah. People are going to continue coming in acting like being a fan of Wade and being a fan of the Heat have always been different things. People are going to also continue to pretend if only LeBron didn't "corrupt" Wade he'd be the loyal, self deprecating dummy they all view him as.

Somehow Wade has "changed" for wanting his money and its a bad thing, but its perfectly understandable that Whiteside get his the minute its available despite having proven nothing so far. I honestly think some of you are bigger fans of Wade than I am, because it appears you all view/viewed him as some type of saint who could never and should never work for his own interests while everybody, including Riley, is free to work towards theirs at all times.

I would bet a million dollars (if I had it) that you were not a "Heat fan" prior to 2010. That would explain why you're so quick to throw Riles under the bus. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that ALL of the people siding with Wade on this whole thing are "newer" Heat fans.

Long-time Heat fans like myself, whose fandom dates back to the 90's, would never stoop to s**tting on Riles for simply doing his job. This man took the Heat from a neophyte, losing, irrelevant franchise, and turned them into a winner almost immediately. I take that VERY seriously. I remember the Ron Rothstein/Kevin Loughery days, when pretty much our entire roster was comprised of what today would be D-League talent, and it wasn't pretty.

Just keep in mind when you're slandering Pat Riley that he is working for the good of the Miami Heat franchise, while players (Wade included), are working for their personal gain.

Riley himself admitted to not handling the situation well. It might be just to save face, but I don't take him for such a person. Riley is not free of mistakes and this offseason was a poor one, including the way Wade was handled.

At the end of the day, if we wanted to improve our odds of landing Durant, we take care of Wade first and make sure he's in on the pitch. You don't enter such meetings with the prospect of playing alongside Whiteside and Dragic and maybe, just maybe Bosh, who is at risk to have yet another season ending illness.

That's why I keep saying, we need new attractive assets on this team. I like Dragic and his game, but he's just not it and neither is Whiteside. I'm definitely moving Dragic, make sure Bosh doesn't play for us again and if an interesting offer for Whiteside comes in, possibly move him as well.

Just how were we supposed to "take care of Wade first" when he was out on the banana boat with his bff?

[KingDavid]

Front office should have taken care of Wade and gone down with the ship. Future be damned. We had a great ride with Wade and Riley. I would absolutely sign up for a decade of nothing for 3 damn championships. (That's why I'm not a front office employee, I guess)

On the other hand, Wade could have leaned in a bit and rolled with it by asking for a significant future amount of we had no talent to bring in when the two years were up, or request a player option for each season going forward.

All this talk about how the lakers "suffered" by maxing Kobe. They have a great talent because of it and their organization made a ton of money off the Kobe tour.

Both sides should have been more patient and tried to get a better deal for one another. I can't put too much blame on the front office because they're doing their job. I can't put too much blame on Wade because he has to get as much money as he can while his knees let him...but he can't be or feel disrespected too.

3/60 with a player option and an apology for throwing the business end of the stick in his face. That's what I would have offered.

But like I said, I don't blame either side. I just feel really sad.

Sorry, KD, but Riles doesn't strike me as the "future be damned" type.

I know fam. I don't blame Riley for doing his job, nor do I blame Wade for feeling disrespected/getting as much money as he can.

I don't give much of a **** to blame anyone. I'm just sad.

This isn't like when Shaq, Zo, or lebron left...this feels so wrong. But I'll get over it after the 3rd Chicago vs Miami game.

[KingDavid]

Blah blah blah. People are going to continue coming in acting like being a fan of Wade and being a fan of the Heat have always been different things. People are going to also continue to pretend if only LeBron didn't "corrupt" Wade he'd be the loyal, self deprecating dummy they all view him as.

Somehow Wade has "changed" for wanting his money and its a bad thing, but its perfectly understandable that Whiteside get his the minute its available despite having proven nothing so far. I honestly think some of you are bigger fans of Wade than I am, because it appears you all view/viewed him as some type of saint who could never and should never work for his own interests while everybody, including Riley, is free to work towards theirs at all times.

I would bet a million dollars (if I had it) that you were not a "Heat fan" prior to 2010. That would explain why you're so quick to throw Riles under the bus. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that ALL of the people siding with Wade on this whole thing are "newer" Heat fans.

Long-time Heat fans like myself, whose fandom dates back to the 90's, would never stoop to s**tting on Riles for simply doing his job. This man took the Heat from a neophyte, losing, irrelevant franchise, and turned them into a winner almost immediately. I take that VERY seriously. I remember the Ron Rothstein/Kevin Loughery days, when pretty much our entire roster was comprised of what today would be D-League talent, and it wasn't pretty.

Just keep in mind when you're slandering Pat Riley that he is working for the good of the Miami Heat franchise, while players (Wade included), are working for their personal gain.

I see your point there, but maaaaaaannnnnn that ain't the way to go about expressing it. You calling out the fanhood like you don't give a ****.

Getcha popcorn ready!

[HeatFanDan]

Front office should have taken care of Wade and gone down with the ship. Future be damned. We had a great ride with Wade and Riley. I would absolutely sign up for a decade of nothing for 3 damn championships. (That's why I'm not a front office employee, I guess)

On the other hand, Wade could have leaned in a bit and rolled with it by asking for a significant future amount of we had no talent to bring in when the two years were up, or request a player option for each season going forward.

All this talk about how the lakers "suffered" by maxing Kobe. They have a great talent because of it and their organization made a ton of money off the Kobe tour.

Both sides should have been more patient and tried to get a better deal for one another. I can't put too much blame on the front office because they're doing their job. I can't put too much blame on Wade because he has to get as much money as he can while his knees let him...but he can't be or feel disrespected too.

3/60 with a player option and an apology for throwing the business end of the stick in his face. That's what I would have offered.

But like I said, I don't blame either side. I just feel really sad.

Sorry, KD, but Riles doesn't strike me as the "future be damned" type.

I know fam. I don't blame Riley for doing his job, nor do I blame Wade for feeling disrespected/getting as much money as he can.

I don't give much of a **** to blame anyone. I'm just sad.

This isn't like when Shaq, Zo, or lebron left...this feels so wrong. But I'll get over it after the 3rd Chicago vs Miami game.

I feel the same way. NOBODY wanted Wade to play his entire career for the Heat more than I did. I was really bummed at first, but now that the "newness" of Wade's departure is wearing off, I'm gaining a little perspective on the whole situation. Trying to anyway.

[HeatFanDan]

Blah blah blah. People are going to continue coming in acting like being a fan of Wade and being a fan of the Heat have always been different things. People are going to also continue to pretend if only LeBron didn't "corrupt" Wade he'd be the loyal, self deprecating dummy they all view him as.

Somehow Wade has "changed" for wanting his money and its a bad thing, but its perfectly understandable that Whiteside get his the minute its available despite having proven nothing so far. I honestly think some of you are bigger fans of Wade than I am, because it appears you all view/viewed him as some type of saint who could never and should never work for his own interests while everybody, including Riley, is free to work towards theirs at all times.

I would bet a million dollars (if I had it) that you were not a "Heat fan" prior to 2010. That would explain why you're so quick to throw Riles under the bus. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that ALL of the people siding with Wade on this whole thing are "newer" Heat fans.

Long-time Heat fans like myself, whose fandom dates back to the 90's, would never stoop to s**tting on Riles for simply doing his job. This man took the Heat from a neophyte, losing, irrelevant franchise, and turned them into a winner almost immediately. I take that VERY seriously. I remember the Ron Rothstein/Kevin Loughery days, when pretty much our entire roster was comprised of what today would be D-League talent, and it wasn't pretty.

Just keep in mind when you're slandering Pat Riley that he is working for the good of the Miami Heat franchise, while players (Wade included), are working for their personal gain.

I see your point there, but maaaaaaannnnnn that ain't the way to go about expressing it. You calling out the fanhood like you don't give a ****.

Getcha popcorn ready!

Nah, it ain't like that. Just tired of Shewasfly's "broken record" Riley bashing. S**t brings nothing to the table here.

[Shewasfly]

I would bet a million dollars (if I had it) that you were not a "Heat fan" prior to 2010. That would explain why you're so quick to throw Riles under the bus. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that ALL of the people siding with Wade on this whole thing are "newer" Heat fans.

Long-time Heat fans like myself, whose fandom dates back to the 90's, would never stoop to s**tting on Riles for simply doing his job. This man took the Heat from a neophyte, losing, irrelevant franchise, and turned them into a winner almost immediately. I take that VERY seriously. I remember the Ron Rothstein/Kevin Loughery days, when pretty much our entire roster was comprised of what today would be D-League talent, and it wasn't pretty.

Just keep in mind when you're slandering Pat Riley that he is working for the good of the Miami Heat franchise, while players (Wade included), are working for their personal gain.

I see your point there, but maaaaaaannnnnn that ain't the way to go about expressing it. You calling out the fanhood like you don't give a ****.

Getcha popcorn ready!

Nah, it ain't like that. Just tired of Shewasfly's "broken record" Riley bashing. S**t brings nothing to the table here.

You can have your opinion about Wade, I can have my opinion about Riley. And my opinion is, and will always be, that he **** up. You will deal.

[I_Never Lied]

$20m a year, endorsements, being a franchise player and having a great career with one team that has won championships together is not the short end.

It IS the short end when a guy like Dragic and Whiteside are getting 100 million off of one season while you skimp on Wade after a lifetime of excellence.

So we should've paid Wade and lost Hassan to another team? That would've been some competitive team there.
Hassan is a young building block with immense potential, and is already arguably the best center in the East. Riles made the right move by locking him up, unquestionably.

You speak of Hassan like he is a 19 year old rookie. He is already 27. How many players in the league got way better after they turned 27? Any team built around Hassan is a lotto team. Best Center in the East??? So what? That literally means nothing considering how week the position is and how little it matters in terms of winning. You banished the best player in the history of your Franchise to tread water with Whiteside?

For this choice to be worth Wade being gone, Hassan needs to have the impact of a Prime Dwight Howard....not get man handled by the likes of Valanchunas.

[gom]

I would bet a million dollars (if I had it) that you were not a "Heat fan" prior to 2010. That would explain why you're so quick to throw Riles under the bus. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that ALL of the people siding with Wade on this whole thing are "newer" Heat fans.

I guess I'm siding with Wade more than Riley for the reasons I gave before - all good ones. I've reached the conclusion that Riley decided to dump Wade so he could rush the team rebuild. He lost Durant and realized the team had no future championship possibilities as it was constructed.

Do you really want to bet a million dollars that all of us are Heat fans since 2010? I mean, I've seen a lot of games in the Miami Arena, good ones and crappy ones. As for Pat Riley, I was his fan when he was the Laker's head coach. Riley's never been known to have even a smidgen of good heartedness. He's a competitor, for better or worse (usually better). You might be the blind one here, so you may want to adjust your statement.

[gom]

This isn't like when Shaq, Zo, or lebron left...this feels so wrong. But I'll get over it after the 3rd Chicago vs Miami game.

Saw a fan with a Bulls jersey today (I'm in Virginia at the other Busch Gardens.) I asked him to please treat Wade with respect. He laughed and said "No problem. Now we'll get past the Cavs." I smiled. I did. I really did. I wanted to cry though.

[Bottomsouth]

$20m a year, endorsements, being a franchise player and having a great career with one team that has won championships together is not the short end.

It IS the short end when a guy like Dragic and Whiteside are getting 100 million off of one season while you skimp on Wade after a lifetime of excellence.

So we should've paid Wade and lost Hassan to another team? That would've been some competitive team there.
Hassan is a young building block with immense potential, and is already arguably the best center in the East. Riles made the right move by locking him up, unquestionably.

How much money have Dragic and Whiteside made in their careers? How long have they been on the team? How much money in endorsements do they make or better yet, how much have they made in endorsements? Will they retire a Heat? How much influence will they have 5, 10, 20 years later and with the franchise? How much would they make after retiring by being involved with the franchise?

Yeap, you are right, going to the Bulls was the best choice short and long term. If you want to hear that, then there you have it. You are looking at this with a narrow lense.

Love Wade but we wouldn't be talking about him (in general) if it wasn't for the Heat organization.

[contract]

Spoiler:

I would bet a million dollars (if I had it) that you were not a "Heat fan" prior to 2010. That would explain why you're so quick to throw Riles under the bus. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that ALL of the people siding with Wade on this whole thing are "newer" Heat fans.

Long-time Heat fans like myself, whose fandom dates back to the 90's, would never stoop to s**tting on Riles for simply doing his job. This man took the Heat from a neophyte, losing, irrelevant franchise, and turned them into a winner almost immediately. I take that VERY seriously. I remember the Ron Rothstein/Kevin Loughery days, when pretty much our entire roster was comprised of what today would be D-League talent, and it wasn't pretty.

Just keep in mind when you're slandering Pat Riley that he is working for the good of the Miami Heat franchise, while players (Wade included), are working for their personal gain.

Riley himself admitted to not handling the situation well. It might be just to save face, but I don't take him for such a person. Riley is not free of mistakes and this offseason was a poor one, including the way Wade was handled.

At the end of the day, if we wanted to improve our odds of landing Durant, we take care of Wade first and make sure he's in on the pitch. You don't enter such meetings with the prospect of playing alongside Whiteside and Dragic and maybe, just maybe Bosh, who is at risk to have yet another season ending illness.

That's why I keep saying, we need new attractive assets on this team. I like Dragic and his game, but he's just not it and neither is Whiteside. I'm definitely moving Dragic, make sure Bosh doesn't play for us again and if an interesting offer for Whiteside comes in, possibly move him as well.

Just how were we supposed to "take care of Wade first" when he was out on the banana boat with his bff?

[contract]

Pat Riley is a manipulative liar ...

The interesting part is on July 9th, they all agreed to come in on five-year deals room only, so I didn’t have to give up any assets. Then at the 11th hour, they all wanted the sixth year. You know what that cost me and [general manager] Andy [Elisburg]? That cost us four picks.

No Pat ... Lebron and Bosh demanding a 6th year cost you 4 picks. Wade's 6th year didn't cost us a damn thing. In fact, we got him on a discount in years 5 & 6.

[gom]

3/60 would have closed the deal. We could have matched what the Bulls offered too if we would have waived McRoberts and then stretched him (assuming no team picked him up.)

I agree pretty much with everything Albert has to say here:

http://heathoops.com/2016/07/pat-riley-addresses-the-miami-heat-summer/#more-29278

In my opinion, however, our faith is misplaced in entertaining the 2017 Summer free agency market. I prefer to build the team internally. My fear is that we will dump assets for rentals (like one year of Westbrook) and try to win now, rather than have the patience to collect ourselves and work from a position of strength.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

I blame Riley and Wade. They both have regret. When it is all said and done, the money was not that far apart. Riley and Wade are both guilty of not being on the same page. Duncan and Popovich were on the same page. The Spurs were better for it along with Duncan because they always had a top 5 team. That is why Duncan has 5 titles.

[QUIZ]

3/60 would have closed the deal. We could have matched what the Bulls offered too if we would have waived McRoberts and then stretched him (assuming no team picked him up.)

I agree pretty much with everything Albert has to say here:

http://heathoops.com/2016/07/pat-riley-addresses-the-miami-heat-summer/#more-29278

In my opinion, however, our faith is misplaced in entertaining the 2017 Summer free agency market. I prefer to build the team internally. My fear is that we will dump assets for rentals (like one year of Westbrook) and try to win now, rather than have the patience to collect ourselves and work from a position of strength.

What do you think about 2 guards historically dropping off after the age of 34? Both Kobe and MJ (For different reasons) did not have good seasons after the age of 34. In fact they were both awful from there on out.

Here is a list of guards sorted by WS ages 35+: http://bkref.com/tiny/scPFe

The top 20 are almost entirely PG's other than Ray who was an excellent 3pt shooter. The track record for athletic non shooting 2 guards post 35 is not good.

Post 36? http://bkref.com/tiny/scPFe

Even worse, Ray and Manu while effective yet essentially turned into bench players playing 22 and 25mpg respectively.

Post 37? http://bkref.com/tiny/JeL6y

Again PG's and bench players. You're a sensible guy gom, $60mill is a lot to commit when the next 3 seasons are likely to play out that way. Personally I think Wade will be decent this season 17 4 and 3 on 50TS% but after this season we'll see a major drop off.

IDK man, whether he stayed or left we still wouldn't have been very good.