Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4

[RexBoyWonder]

Miami runs with 4s past their prime, the only one in the last 3 years that wasn't was Crowder.

we broke him too... lol......

lol we should not sign 4s until the end of the season, Miami gets them off to a hot start.

Could get a younger one like they were looking at, at the trade deadline, PJ Washington or Rui.

Jeremy Grant just turned 28.

A big 2 way wing that can hit 3's, get to the line and switch on defense.

Thats the trade to make IMO.

[twix2500]

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Hopefully Bam can get a practice in tomorrow if they do practice tomorrow. He has missed two practices already.

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[greg4012]

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Hopefully Bam can get a practice in tomorrow if they do practice tomorrow. He has missed two practices already.

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Sounds encouraging that PJ is back to health

[eddieheatfan]

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Hopefully Bam can get a practice in tomorrow if they do practice tomorrow. He has missed two practices already.

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Sounds encouraging that PJ is back to health

[AirP.]

we broke him too... lol......

lol we should not sign 4s until the end of the season, Miami gets them off to a hot start.

Could get a younger one like they were looking at, at the trade deadline, PJ Washington or Rui.

Jeremy Grant just turned 28.

A big 2 way wing that can hit 3's, get to the line and switch on defense.

Thats the trade to make IMO.

Sure, but he's going to cost dramatically more in assets and really the only thing Detroit would want outside of multiple 1st rounders is Herro. I currently have the belief that Spoelstra can get the best out of most (not all) players so go find someone who isn't living up to their potential and roll the dice to get much more out of them in Miami.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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The Bam we need for the playoffs.

[AirP.]

Wonder how available Zion will be this summer. I get NO wanting to be patient but you're also wasting some of Zion's very best seasons. If he WANTS to play (I doubt he'll risk his career) you need to let him play vs pissing him off and him forcing his way out.

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[puppa bear]

we broke him too... lol......

lol we should not sign 4s until the end of the season, Miami gets them off to a hot start.

Could get a younger one like they were looking at, at the trade deadline, PJ Washington or Rui.

Jeremy Grant just turned 28.

A big 2 way wing that can hit 3's, get to the line and switch on defense.

Thats the trade to make IMO.

I would say acquiring any of Grant, Rui, PJ in the offseason would make it a successful offseason. Especially if we resign Dipo and keep as much of the rest of the roster intact.

[puppa bear]

Wonder how available Zion will be this summer. I get NO wanting to be patient but you're also wasting some of Zion's very best seasons. If he WANTS to play (I doubt he'll risk his career) you need to let him play vs pissing him off and him forcing his way out.

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Honestly, Zion is possibly a perfect fit at PF for them next to CJ/BI/Jonas if they can upgrade PG with the right piece AND stay healthy they’ll be a handful next year!

EDIT: I want none of Zion, unless he says “I want Miami and only Miami”, like Dipo did. Even then, he’ll cost more than I’m happy to give up and more than someone like Rui or PJ would cost a lot less and still add a huge amount to our team!

[AirP.]

Wonder how available Zion will be this summer. I get NO wanting to be patient but you're also wasting some of Zion's very best seasons. If he WANTS to play (I doubt he'll risk his career) you need to let him play vs pissing him off and him forcing his way out.

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Honestly, Zion is possibly a perfect fit at PF for them next to CJ/BI/Jonas if they can upgrade PG with the right piece AND stay healthy they’ll be a handful next year!

EDIT: I want none of Zion, unless he says “I want Miami and only Miami”, like Dipo did. Even then, he’ll cost more than I’m happy to give up and more than someone like Rui or PJ would cost a lot less and still add a huge amount to our team!

My thing is that in Miami's environment he'll be encouraged to stay in shape which should help his career or at least get the media off his back about that.

He was a +9 (ortg-drtg) in his 2nd year with a TS% of .649, to put that in perspective Robinson's incredible first year starting was .684, Town's great year this year was .640 and this year Herro put up .561. Unlike anyone else on this roster, Zion has the ability to be a top 10 talent, basically the ability to be dominate every game, not so much matchup dependant. Either you believe top tier talent wins championships and you do whatever it takes to get that talent, or people need to shut up about top tier talent. I believe Miami could send out all their assets for top tier talent and still find/develop good rotational players much better then other franchises do.

So doing this off the top of my head quickly to get some type of tier system to look at...

Top tier players... Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, Doncic, KD, Curry, Kawhi, LeBron, Ja and yes I think Zion can be in that group.

The next group sure, Butler and Bam should be somewhere in it... Booker, CP3, Young, Tatum, Butler, Harden, Mitchel, Bam, Edwards, George, AD, Siakam, Kyrie, Draymond and Lillard.

So as of now that's 25 of the top players and we've not even talked about the next tier of players like CJ, Ingram, DeRozan, Towns, Beal, LaVine, Garland, SGA, Murray, Klay, Brown, LaVine, Middleton, L.Ball, Holiday, Lowry, Gobert, Simmons?, Fox, Sabonis and possibly Oladipo which is another 21.

So now we're around 46 and if Herro is who he has been since the all-star break is somewhere around 30-60, if he's just been hot
or teams aren't really working to guard him well he's probably 70 or lower, the second round and later of the playoff rounds this year should give us a better read of him(Herro can score on bad defenses, the question is what happens when he's target by a good defense).. For the rest of the roster Miami should have a few other players in the 80-110 range.

Miami has some nice players but when you start looking around at all the talent you get a better idea of what type of talent they have on your roster compared to the rest of the league and you start to realize how good of a coach Spoelstra is, he's getting a hell of a lot out of the roster, maybe not maximizing everyone but he's getting a lot out of that roster.

[RexBoyWonder]

Could get a younger one like they were looking at, at the trade deadline, PJ Washington or Rui.

Jeremy Grant just turned 28.

A big 2 way wing that can hit 3's, get to the line and switch on defense.

Thats the trade to make IMO.

I would say acquiring any of Grant, Rui, PJ in the offseason would make it a successful offseason. Especially if we resign Dipo and keep as much of the rest of the roster intact.

I think Grant is on another level then PJ and Rui. Guy is a legit proven 2 way wing.

If we come up short this year I think we'll regret not going all in him offering Duncan + Picks at the deadline

Grant is like a knock off Jimmy, a bit bigger, younger and healthier, obviously not quite as good as Jimmy but a better 3 point shooter which is important for us. Would've been a huge piece here with his athleticism, defense, ISO creation.

[oreon]

Wonder how available Zion will be this summer. I get NO wanting to be patient but you're also wasting some of Zion's very best seasons. If he WANTS to play (I doubt he'll risk his career) you need to let him play vs pissing him off and him forcing his way out.

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NO has the leverage. Rarely if ever players accept the qualifying offer to skip restricted FA. Its hard to risk that first big contract that will secure your future especially with Zion's injury history. So I think NO will have him atleast for the next 4 years. But if he's available I'd throw everything at NO: Bam, Herro and all of our picks. He's arguably the most unstoppable player in the NBA even more than Giannis. The medical team would need to have approve but you hope if he looses weight his body can hold up

[AirP.]

Wonder how available Zion will be this summer. I get NO wanting to be patient but you're also wasting some of Zion's very best seasons. If he WANTS to play (I doubt he'll risk his career) you need to let him play vs pissing him off and him forcing his way out.

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NO has the leverage. Rarely if ever players accept the qualifying offer to skip restricted FA. Its hard to risk that first big contract that will secure your future especially with Zion's injury history. So I think NO will have him atleast for the next 4 years. But if he's available I'd throw everything at NO: Bam, Herro and all of our picks. He's arguably the most unstoppable player in the NBA even more than Giannis. The medical team would need to have approve but you hope if he looses weight his body can hold up

I'm not so sure if NO has the leverage, a shoe company could come into play saying you'll get significantly less from us each year you're in NO and you'll get X if you go to these mid-tier cities and X+ if you go these big cities... which makes a difference on what the shoe companies can make with that player. The extra income that Zion can make outside of his basketball contract could come into play. The amount of money difference a shoe company could make with Zion is huge if he's with NO vs say New York or Chicago.

[twix2500]

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[oreon]

Wonder how available Zion will be this summer. I get NO wanting to be patient but you're also wasting some of Zion's very best seasons. If he WANTS to play (I doubt he'll risk his career) you need to let him play vs pissing him off and him forcing his way out.

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NO has the leverage. Rarely if ever players accept the qualifying offer to skip restricted FA. Its hard to risk that first big contract that will secure your future especially with Zion's injury history. So I think NO will have him atleast for the next 4 years. But if he's available I'd throw everything at NO: Bam, Herro and all of our picks. He's arguably the most unstoppable player in the NBA even more than Giannis. The medical team would need to have approve but you hope if he looses weight his body can hold up

I'm not so sure if NO has the leverage, a shoe company could come into play saying you'll get significantly less from us each year you're in NO and you'll get X if you go to these mid-tier cities and X+ if you go these big cities... which makes a difference on what the shoe companies can make with that player. The extra income that Zion can make outside of his basketball contract could come into play. The amount of money difference a shoe company could make with Zion is huge if he's with NO vs say New York or Chicago.

Bam rookie extension was 195 mil. No one is turning that kind of money down. And if Zion plays next season he will make All NBA which will qualify him for super max extension, which would bring his deal over 200 mill. No one is turning that kind of money. And I disagree on the shoe money difference between NY or NO. It doesn't matter where he plays he will command a premium. Lebron got paid by NIKE while he was in Cleveland. Durant got paid while he was in OKC. And Zion is that kind of star if he plays.

I think the only downside NO has ,is Zion after he gets signed he decides to make it ugly to get a trade. As Harden and Butler have shown if you make it ugly enough you will eventually get traded

[AirP.]

Bam rookie extension was 195 mil. No one is turning that kind of money down. And if Zion plays next season he will make All NBA which will qualify him for super max extension, which would bring his deal over 200 mill. No one is turning that kind of money. And I disagree on the shoe money difference between NY or NO. It doesn't matter where he plays he will command a premium. Lebron got paid by NIKE while he was in Cleveland. Durant got paid while he was in OKC. And Zion is that kind of star if he plays.

I think the only downside NO has ,is Zion after he gets signed he decides to make it ugly to get a trade. As Harden and Butler have shown if you make it ugly enough you will eventually get traded

It's been talked about that Zion could be the first big player to take the QO (which is around 17 million) so he could go elsewhere because he's already making 75 million over 7 years with his shoe deal with Jordan Brand. It's quite possible if he takes the QO and goes to the right market he can make a lot more money over his career when you look at his NBA contract and all the money he'll make outside the NBA.

If it's about money, if he were to go to the Lakers or Knicks and be a dominate player, he'd make soooooooo much more money then what he'd make in NO.

[Heat_Down_Under]

Imagine saying you wouldn’t do a straight swap for bam with trae lol trae is elite

[Hallstar]

Wonder how available Zion will be this summer. I get NO wanting to be patient but you're also wasting some of Zion's very best seasons. If he WANTS to play (I doubt he'll risk his career) you need to let him play vs pissing him off and him forcing his way out.

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He needs to lose weight before playing again. He can want to play all he wants, but he's gonna just reinjure himself at his current weight.

[wade44]

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Bring him in. Miami is becoming a top destination if not the top destination for these long shot players to be groomed into nba caliber guys & legit contributors

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