2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

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Fat Erny pushing the Suns hard, I guess that’s Jimmy’s top choice.

[dolphinatik]

I'm not off the rozier train just yet. It's not like we have a guard that is a quick or shifty as him. I pray he gets in the right head space because we don't have a replacement for what he is capable of. We just need 3 of our guys to bring it on a given night to win and that hasn't happened often but it will.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Rozier has to play until he is dealt.

[twozeroMM]

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Fat Erny pushing the Suns hard, I guess that’s Jimmy’s top choice.

Erny trying to be a troll, but honestly coming off forced and annoying at this point.

This trolling from Jimmy and now his homie is just getting annoying and becoming a distraction

[RexBoyWonder]

GSW players : Wiggins, Pods, Kuminga - Cant sniff Jimmy's jockstrap combined .

Its a glofried poo poo plater - they need to add multiple picks and if they don't I rather let Jimmy walk next year.

Picks or high upside young players is all i care about if we trade.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Miami is lucky Spoelstra finally got through to him, this sometimes doesn't happen (if it happens at all) until a player is traded where they can be more open to why they were traded and be open to change. As Herro said, he felt he's been successful so why would he change? With that, he didn't change for years, he's in year 6 now, 1/3 to 1/2 of his career is already been played.


The only issue I have now with him is his stubbornness to try to shoot himself out of a slump while dragging his team down with him, we saw that with the Detroit game. I was good with most of those missed 3s, he's a good 3pt shooter, even on the move I just had a problem with being off that particular game and doubling down on 3s he didn't have to take late in the game.

“At first it was a tough conversation for me to take in because I feel like I’ve been successful playing the way I’ve played for pretty much my whole career,” Herro said of his feelings coming out of that conversation. “Scoring wise my numbers were not horribly inefficient. My first five years I still feel like I was above average efficiency when I look across the league at other guys at my position.”

Herro remained receptive, but by the time Miami got to their 2023-24 regular season slate, little changed. He was still a 20-point scorer, his usage raising slightly as his efficiency dropped but all remained well within career norms. His threes attempted per 100 possessions remained flat while his rates for both rim attempts and free throws actually dropped by a few ticks.

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He took one really bad shot in OT, where he faded away and shot an airball, otherwise he had 2 wide open 3p looks and the last shot was just get any clean look in the 6s that were left.

I guess we're doing this on a night he missed 13 of 17 3s.

He took unnecessary shots that weren't near the end of the shot clock which of course people don't remember although they may have cost Miami in the long run. For instance, 4th quarter, down by 1, Butler attacks the basket, kicks the ball out to Herro, he pumps fakes Cunningham getting him out of the picture, but Hardaway Jr rotates to help leaving Smith wide open and yet with 13 seconds left on the shot clock Herro was putting up a contested shot while Smith was wide open next to him and Herro's shot barely hit the side of the rim.

I would put this loss on Spo, he kept Duncan/Terry/Herro all out there, when they had an 8p lead with less than 2 minutes to go.

Of course, why put any of the blame of someone who missed 13 of 17 3s. I get him taking a bunch of 3s since he's a good 3pt shooter but if you've missed 8 of 11 3s at that point, maybe it's best for the team to not keep chucking 3s that particular game.

Why not just put in HH for Terry? Really didn't need all that scoring anymore.
The defensive scheme was also not ideal either, Terry rotated away from his man to double on Cade and left a wide open shooter. Why you doing this with 8p lead and limited time? Cade vs Duncan 1v1 for a 2 would not have hurt as much as a wide open 3 they got instead.

On the last 3 possessions the Pistons scored, Terry failed on defense (be it because of scheme), not contesting or just being too small.

It seemed they stuck to their scheme and did not adjust at all, when it actually required them to just not give up any 3s. Spo should have absolutely noticed this, leaned on defense more and there is no way Pistons overcome the 8p deficit.

Or they keep building upon their lead with their offense since they had momentum. Me personally, I'd be going in on defense but that's not what Miami is trying to do this year.

My point being is this, if you don't have it going that particular night you don't just double down and put your team in a bigger hole because you refuse to quit shooting, if it's near the end of the clock that's one thing, but if it's early in the shot clock maybe you should be looking for a better shot since yours isn't falling.

I don't want to **** on Herro, he's changed a lot of his thinking on shots but he still takes bad shots more then he needs to and in this image in the 4th quarter, it was a horrible decision. There's a very good player in Herro, there always has been but he's got to step back from his ego just a bit and take the best shot for the team, if he's on fire in a game, go for your heat checks, if he's off, maybe don't double down in crunch time with a bunch of time left on the clock... for instance, that last shot of his in the 4th, near the end of the game so there wasn't much time, he put himself in a tough but needed catch and shoot situation and made the shot.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

Miami is lucky Spoelstra finally got through to him, this sometimes doesn't happen (if it happens at all) until a player is traded where they can be more open to why they were traded and be open to change. As Herro said, he felt he's been successful so why would he change? With that, he didn't change for years, he's in year 6 now, 1/3 to 1/2 of his career is already been played.


The only issue I have now with him is his stubbornness to try to shoot himself out of a slump while dragging his team down with him, we saw that with the Detroit game. I was good with most of those missed 3s, he's a good 3pt shooter, even on the move I just had a problem with being off that particular game and doubling down on 3s he didn't have to take late in the game.

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He took one really bad shot in OT, where he faded away and shot an airball, otherwise he had 2 wide open 3p looks and the last shot was just get any clean look in the 6s that were left.

I guess we're doing this on a night he missed 13 of 17 3s.

He took unnecessary shots that weren't near the end of the shot clock which of course people don't remember although they may have cost Miami in the long run. For instance, 4th quarter, down by 1, Butler attacks the basket, kicks the ball out to Herro, he pumps fakes Cunningham getting him out of the picture, but Hardaway Jr rotates to help leaving Smith wide open and yet with 13 seconds left on the shot clock Herro was putting up a contested shot while Smith was wide open next to him and Herro's shot barely hit the side of the rim.

I would put this loss on Spo, he kept Duncan/Terry/Herro all out there, when they had an 8p lead with less than 2 minutes to go.

Of course, why put any of the blame of someone who missed 13 of 17 3s. I get him taking a bunch of 3s since he's a good 3pt shooter but if you've missed 8 of 11 3s at that point, maybe it's best for the team to not keep chucking 3s that particular game.

Why not just put in HH for Terry? Really didn't need all that scoring anymore.
The defensive scheme was also not ideal either, Terry rotated away from his man to double on Cade and left a wide open shooter. Why you doing this with 8p lead and limited time? Cade vs Duncan 1v1 for a 2 would not have hurt as much as a wide open 3 they got instead.

On the last 3 possessions the Pistons scored, Terry failed on defense (be it because of scheme), not contesting or just being too small.

It seemed they stuck to their scheme and did not adjust at all, when it actually required them to just not give up any 3s. Spo should have absolutely noticed this, leaned on defense more and there is no way Pistons overcome the 8p deficit.

Or they keep building upon their lead with their offense since they had momentum. Me personally, I'd be going in on defense but that's not what Miami is trying to do this year.

My point being is this, if you don't have it going that particular night you don't just double down and put your team in a bigger hole because you refuse to quit shooting, if it's near the end of the clock that's one thing, but if it's early in the shot clock maybe you should be looking for a better shot since yours isn't falling.

I don't want to **** on Herro, he's changed a lot of his thinking on shots but he still takes bad shots more then he needs to and in this image in the 4th quarter, it was a horrible decision. There's a very good player in Herro, there always has been but he's got to step back from his ego just a bit and take the best shot for the team, if he's on fire in a game, go for your heat checks, if he's off, maybe don't double down in crunch time with a bunch of time left on the clock... for instance, that last shot of his in the 4th, near the end of the game so there wasn't much time, he put himself in a tough but needed catch and shoot situation and made the shot.

He hit a couple in a row and the one to go to OT so people forget about the 23 points on 25 shots while getting cooked by THJ and Beasley on the other end.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[VaDe255]

Spoiler:

Miami is lucky Spoelstra finally got through to him, this sometimes doesn't happen (if it happens at all) until a player is traded where they can be more open to why they were traded and be open to change. As Herro said, he felt he's been successful so why would he change? With that, he didn't change for years, he's in year 6 now, 1/3 to 1/2 of his career is already been played.


The only issue I have now with him is his stubbornness to try to shoot himself out of a slump while dragging his team down with him, we saw that with the Detroit game. I was good with most of those missed 3s, he's a good 3pt shooter, even on the move I just had a problem with being off that particular game and doubling down on 3s he didn't have to take late in the game.

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He took one really bad shot in OT, where he faded away and shot an airball, otherwise he had 2 wide open 3p looks and the last shot was just get any clean look in the 6s that were left.

I guess we're doing this on a night he missed 13 of 17 3s.

He took unnecessary shots that weren't near the end of the shot clock which of course people don't remember although they may have cost Miami in the long run. For instance, 4th quarter, down by 1, Butler attacks the basket, kicks the ball out to Herro, he pumps fakes Cunningham getting him out of the picture, but Hardaway Jr rotates to help leaving Smith wide open and yet with 13 seconds left on the shot clock Herro was putting up a contested shot while Smith was wide open next to him and Herro's shot barely hit the side of the rim.

I would put this loss on Spo, he kept Duncan/Terry/Herro all out there, when they had an 8p lead with less than 2 minutes to go.

Of course, why put any of the blame of someone who missed 13 of 17 3s. I get him taking a bunch of 3s since he's a good 3pt shooter but if you've missed 8 of 11 3s at that point, maybe it's best for the team to not keep chucking 3s that particular game.

Why not just put in HH for Terry? Really didn't need all that scoring anymore.
The defensive scheme was also not ideal either, Terry rotated away from his man to double on Cade and left a wide open shooter. Why you doing this with 8p lead and limited time? Cade vs Duncan 1v1 for a 2 would not have hurt as much as a wide open 3 they got instead.

On the last 3 possessions the Pistons scored, Terry failed on defense (be it because of scheme), not contesting or just being too small.

It seemed they stuck to their scheme and did not adjust at all, when it actually required them to just not give up any 3s. Spo should have absolutely noticed this, leaned on defense more and there is no way Pistons overcome the 8p deficit.

Or they keep building upon their lead with their offense since they had momentum. Me personally, I'd be going in on defense but that's not what Miami is trying to do this year.

My point being is this, if you don't have it going that particular night you don't just double down and put your team in a bigger hole because you refuse to quit shooting, if it's near the end of the clock that's one thing, but if it's early in the shot clock maybe you should be looking for a better shot since yours isn't falling.

I don't want to **** on Herro, he's changed a lot of his thinking on shots but he still takes bad shots more then he needs to and in this image in the 4th quarter, it was a horrible decision. There's a very good player in Herro, there always has been but he's got to step back from his ego just a bit and take the best shot for the team, if he's on fire in a game, go for your heat checks, if he's off, maybe don't double down in crunch time with a bunch of time left on the clock... for instance, that last shot of his in the 4th, near the end of the game so there wasn't much time, he put himself in a tough but needed catch and shoot situation and made the shot.

Tyler scored 13 points (5/9) in the fourth quarter, was +17 during that stretch, and hit an unbelievable shot to tie the game and sent it to OT.

Yes, he missed some shots earlier, but players have off nights. What matters is how they respond, and he absolutely stepped up when it counted. Blaming this loss on him while ignoring defensive issues, poor late-game rotations, and questionable coaching decisions is a choice.

Tyler gave Miami a real chance. Scapegoating him continues to be the go-to move around here, and it’s honestly absurd.

[AirP.]

Tyler scored 13 points (5/9) in the fourth quarter, was +17 during that stretch, and hit an unbelievable shot to tie the game and sent it to OT.

Yes, he missed some shots earlier, but players have off nights. What matters is how they respond, and he absolutely stepped up when it counted. Blaming this loss on him while ignoring defensive issues, poor late-game rotations, and questionable coaching decisions is a choice.

Tyler gave Miami a real chance. Scapegoating him continues to be the go-to move around here, and it’s honestly absurd.

Herro also dug Miami a hole to crawl out of, something he did a bunch in previous years. Had he not chucked so many shots when he was off that evening, Miami may have easily won this game in regulation. The worst shooter of the night took over 25% of the Heat's shots (25 of 99 FGA), everyone else in the starting lineup shot 50% or higher.

Once again, I'm fine with some of the shots, probably most of the shots he took and missed that game since he's shooting so well for the season but I'm not good with that type of shot I posted when only down by 1, 13-14 seconds left on the shot clock and you're off that game, that's a low IQ shot in that situation.

What's absurd is the free pass Herro gets from the same people year after year, then again, I'm not really a Heat fan. This year he may have turned the corner and that's great for Miami yet the same people have no ability to call him out when he does something dumb like that.

I'm highly interested in what happens in the playoffs when teams will concentrate more on him which they are starting to do now around the 25% point of the regular season (which he's handling pretty well so far).

[dolphinatik]

gimme Patrick Williams for Duncan thats about all I would want from Chicago.

[marson]

So now you guys want us to give up assets to dumpo Rozier for a 35 YO Nikola Vucevic that hasn't played defense in 10 years?

God I hope the front office isn't as desperate as this.

If 34% 3 point shooter, 35YO no defense, non expiring Center is your answer - you're asking all the wrong questions.

His playing minutes in the playoffs is low as well.

I wonder why...

Means his mileage is not that high. You missed out the next thing I said. So even he is the same age as Kevin Love, he looks more energetic and younger. Be logical sometimes.

[Wiltside]

We're in an awkward spot. FO has given this playing group plenty of chances to get over the hump, but it looks like we missed the window. Likewise, FO shot themselves in the foot with a number of own goals. Lillard's antics soured Portland and they decided not to act in good faith, and that was our death knell really.

I'm not giving Jimmy up for cents on the dollar though. We still maintain the leverage and can offer him the best deal of anyone if it comes to that. I also think Jimmy still likes living in Miami, so isn't in a rush to move unless it makes financial and basketball sense.

If Houston, Phoenix, Dallas or Golden State want him - they need to come to the table with the kind of assets we are going to want. A veteran that keeps us competitive, picks to replenish the cupboard, and a young talent that can be part of our core going forward. Anything less and Jimmy stays IMO.

[twix2500]

GSW players : Wiggins, Pods, Kuminga - Cant sniff Jimmy's jockstrap combined .

Its a glofried poo poo plater - they need to add multiple picks and if they don't I rather let Jimmy walk next year.

Picks or high upside young players is all i care about if we trade.

IMO, I think picks is a no brainer. If the Heat could get Wiggins and Kuminga with picks then flip Kuminga and sweetner for Ingram I would do it. Herro, Ingram, Wiggins and Bam foursome would do wonders for Spo system.

[Wiltside]

GSW players : Wiggins, Pods, Kuminga - Cant sniff Jimmy's jockstrap combined .

Its a glofried poo poo plater - they need to add multiple picks and if they don't I rather let Jimmy walk next year.

Picks or high upside young players is all i care about if we trade.

IMO, I think picks is a no brainer. If the Heat could get Wiggins and Kuminga with picks then flip Kuminga and sweetner for Ingram I would do it. Herro, Ingram, Wiggins and Bam foursome would do wonders for Spo system.

What is Kuminga like defensively? I honestly haven't seen enough of his game to know. On paper he looks like the type of size Spo likes from a 4, rightly or wrongly.

[marson]

I still predict the GS route. I'd keep Wiggins as our starter then re-route Kuminga to a third team for a big.

Phoenix thing is a smoke screen. GS is the most desperate and the one needed Jimmy the most.

Draymond and Steph on their last legs and wants to secure the 5th.

[Wiltside]

I still predict the GS route. I'd keep Wiggins as our starter then re-route Kuminga to a third team for a big.

Phoenix thing is a smoke screen. GS is the most desperate and the one needed Jimmy the most.

Draymond and Steph on their last legs and wants to secure the 5th.

Kuminga is an asset though. What big would you be proposing to acquire with him?

I don't think Spo is ready or willing to concede on small ball. I think he'll want Bam to stay at the 5.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

GSW players : Wiggins, Pods, Kuminga - Cant sniff Jimmy's jockstrap combined .

Its a glofried poo poo plater - they need to add multiple picks and if they don't I rather let Jimmy walk next year.

Picks or high upside young players is all i care about if we trade.

IMO, I think picks is a no brainer. If the Heat could get Wiggins and Kuminga with picks then flip Kuminga and sweetner for Ingram I would do it. Herro, Ingram, Wiggins and Bam foursome would do wonders for Spo system.

What is Kuminga like defensively? I honestly haven't seen enough of his game to know. On paper he looks like the type of size Spo likes from a 4, rightly or wrongly.

He has the tools to be great on that end, idk about the mindset

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Shoutout to the Pistons for being down 30 in the first quarter at home to the Jazz.

Have I mentioned how much I hate this fuxking team?