2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[AirP.]

Dion should be the one off the ball

Justise I don't think will start if we get Russ

Russ-Dion-Butler-PF-C (Bam, Leonard, Olynk?)

Bench : Winslow, Herro, Nunn, mix of Leonard/Olynk. JJ I feel is gone so I haven't included him in anything lol

It's hard to say since we don't know who is truly staying or going. Nunn looks to me as a Dion replacement for cheap. He had some fun times with us but showing up out of shape is a big no no in Heat culture.

I'd move Dion to the scoring 6th man role and start Butler and Winslow at the wings.

The issue with that is that it makes it more difficult to find sufficient minutes that fully utilize Waiter and Herro as shooters. They're both pretty much strictly shooting guards. Whereas Justise can really slot in anywhere 1-3 and should be the main backup PG. That's why it might make most sense to have Waiters starting as a floor spacer at the 3, have Herro as his backup, and have Winslow as a do it all super sub for 1-3 (mostly 1 and 3)

Then have fun dealing with a probable issue with one or more of Westbrook, Waiters, and Butler not touching/shooting the ball enough and expressing their views to the coaching staff and teammates. It'll be hard enough to keep Butler and Westbrook happy with their touches, tossing in Dion is a recipe for disaster on the court(and possibly the locker room).

[Dr_Heat]

No Westbrook?

[Jinsaryko]

As of right now Pat doesn't need to bid against himself. Unless another team comes forward with a better deal then he'll play hardball. The Thunder needs to find a better offer from some other team to get a better offer from us or just turn us down and take the risk of playing with a disgruntle Westbrook to the trade deadline. Plus the risk of injury as well, which would be a serious blow to their chances of trading him.

[Heat_Fan_87]

bam and harro should be 100% off limits. if thats a deal breaker then walk.

[gom]

Andre Iguodala (MEM) for Goran Dragic would be a good move. We get some space under the apron so we can sign veteran minimums. Dragic could be useful for Memphis who are bringing Morant up to speed. Both deals are expirings.

Low key might be an idea that helps with the OKC deal - saving those few $ and shifting from a PG to a SF might be enough to make OKC happy to take the deal without a 3rd. Iggy May be willing to agree to a buy-out ahead of time that gets them below the tax line:

To Grizz - Dragic
To Thunder - Winslow, Waiters, Iguodala
To Heat - Westbrook, Patterson

It’s dollar for dollar for us, $2m down for Thunder (so any buy-out for Iggy will get them under the tax line), and Grizz get a player to mentor Ja. Grizz may be looking for an asset to do this swap though ...

Iggy cannot be combined with other players right now though. He was just traded.

[Dadouv47]

Guys I don't this trade is happening... Just heard Stan Van Gundy on 790.. Presti in not giving up RW for expiring contracts and Miami is not giving up any of the young players... OKC will hold to Westbrook until the trading deadline in see if someone else is interested at that point.

I think we gotten more than we expected by getting Butler and I am excited about our team as it is.. Maybe one of the young guys can make the leap to borderline star.. If we want a rebuilt that is sustainable we need to hold for a better opportunity to come along

do you have a link plz? Not sure SVG opinion is worth it though (he could even be involded in all this so...)

[MettaWorldPanda]

Tbh no Westbrook isn’t that big of a deal we can see what butler can give us as the main guy/leader. Just let him go ham.

Exactly. Give Butler the ball and get the phuck out the way.

[MettaWorldPanda]

As of right now Pat doesn't need to bid against himself. Unless another team comes forward with a better deal then he'll play hardball. The Thunder needs to find a better offer from some other team to get a better offer from us or just turn us down and take the risk of playing with a disgruntle Westbrook to the trade deadline. Plus the risk of injury as well, which would be a serious blow to their chances of trading him.

The thing is I feel like the whole Westbrook disgruntled thing is overstated. He was always ride or die with OKC through good and bad times. It's OKC pushing for the reset or at least testing the waters to see what they could get and to put Westbrook in a winning situation.

[greg4012]

I'd move Dion to the scoring 6th man role and start Butler and Winslow at the wings.

The issue with that is that it makes it more difficult to find sufficient minutes that fully utilize Waiter and Herro as shooters. They're both pretty much strictly shooting guards. Whereas Justise can really slot in anywhere 1-3 and should be the main backup PG. That's why it might make most sense to have Waiters starting as a floor spacer at the 3, have Herro as his backup, and have Winslow as a do it all super sub for 1-3 (mostly 1 and 3)

Then have fun dealing with a probable issue with one or more of Westbrook, Waiters, and Butler not touching/shooting the ball enough and expressing their views to the coaching staff and teammates. It'll be hard enough to keep Butler and Westbrook happy with their touches, tossing in Dion. This also could allow Butler and Westbrook extended rest if Dion gets rolling.

Sounds like a plan. We've managed Dion's ego for 3 years now with no real issues. Dion's lowest usage seasons have been the 2 shared with Russ in OKC and last season with Wade. He'll have his moments, but for the most part he'll fall in line.

It also helps that, as a backup PG, Justise is relatively low usage for the position, thus affording higher usage for Butler for any minutes he shares with Winslow

[batterybro42]

Just who are these mysterious free agents or players that we are trying to acquire around the league when you work past Russ? There is not a lot out there guys

[Dr_Heat]

Westbrook needs to demand a trade to Miami and Miami only. And leave T-Rex Tyler alone.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'd move Dion to the scoring 6th man role and start Butler and Winslow at the wings.

The issue with that is that it makes it more difficult to find sufficient minutes that fully utilize Waiter and Herro as shooters. They're both pretty much strictly shooting guards. Whereas Justise can really slot in anywhere 1-3 and should be the main backup PG. That's why it might make most sense to have Waiters starting as a floor spacer at the 3, have Herro as his backup, and have Winslow as a do it all super sub for 1-3 (mostly 1 and 3)

Then have fun dealing with a probable issue with one or more of Westbrook, Waiters, and Butler not touching/shooting the ball enough and expressing their views to the coaching staff and teammates. It'll be hard enough to keep Butler and Westbrook happy with their touches, tossing in Dion is a recipe for disaster on the court(and possibly the locker room).

Waiters has already played with Westbrook and he's in no position to over ride Butler so i think in the end he'll know his role as complimentary piece just like he was when he excelled in OKC off the bench.

[islandHEAT]

If they want that much move on to Beal.

I like RW but nobody else is going to give much of anything to talk on that contract. Good luck OKC.

[AirP.]

Sounds like a plan. We've managed Dion's ego for 3 years now with no real issues. Dion's lowest usage seasons have been the 2 shared with Russ in OKC and last season with Wade. He'll have his moments, but for the most part he'll fall in line.

It also helps that, as a backup PG, Justise is relatively low usage for the position, thus affording higher usage for Butler for any minutes he shares with Winslow

He only started 35 games in 2 years in OKC and no starts for them in the playoffs.

Since being traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder, we've seen a much better player out of Waiters. The Thunder have welcomed him in and trust him to have the ball in his hands -- something that didn't always seem to be the case in Cleveland. As Darnell Mayberry of the The Oklahoman tells us, Waiters has a pretty simple solution for why there's a difference between Cleveland and OKC: He gets to touch the ball.

He chuckled.

“Listen,” he said, “they give me the ball. Like, I touch the ball. Like, I actually, like, you know, touch the ball.”

It was the second time in less than a week that Waiters trumpeted the freedom the Thunder has given him.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dion-waiters-on-thunder-they-give-me-the-ball-like-i-touch-the-ball/

Dion can be a good scorer, it just doesn't happen enough to build your offense around, those types of players I like having as 6th men where you can ride them if they're hot allowing the starters to rest more in the first 3 quarters of the game or if he's off, sub him out and not get so much of the negative.

[Dadouv47]

The issue with that is that it makes it more difficult to find sufficient minutes that fully utilize Waiter and Herro as shooters. They're both pretty much strictly shooting guards. Whereas Justise can really slot in anywhere 1-3 and should be the main backup PG. That's why it might make most sense to have Waiters starting as a floor spacer at the 3, have Herro as his backup, and have Winslow as a do it all super sub for 1-3 (mostly 1 and 3)

Then have fun dealing with a probable issue with one or more of Westbrook, Waiters, and Butler not touching/shooting the ball enough and expressing their views to the coaching staff and teammates. It'll be hard enough to keep Butler and Westbrook happy with their touches, tossing in Dion is a recipe for disaster on the court(and possibly the locker room).

Waiters has already played with Westbrook and he's in no position to over ride Butler so i think in the end he'll know his role as complimentary piece just like he was when he excelled in OKC off the bench.

He never excelled in OKC lol

He had a TERRIBLE regular season but somehow ''Playoff Dion'' was a thing and he helped us during our playoff run.

[gom]

You've easily been suggesting the most reasonable/realistic trade proposals on this board.

Massive overpay.

Gom you've easily been suggesting the most reasonable/realistic trade proposals on this board

I'm cheap, rbw.

[DrHeat]

Guys I don't this trade is happening... Just heard Stan Van Gundy on 790.. Presti in not giving up RW for expiring contracts and Miami is not giving up any of the young players... OKC will hold to Westbrook until the trading deadline in see if someone else is interested at that point.

I think we gotten more than we expected by getting Butler and I am excited about our team as it is.. Maybe one of the young guys can make the leap to borderline star.. If we want a rebuilt that is sustainable we need to hold for a better opportunity to come along

do you have a link plz? Not sure SVG opinion is worth it though (he could even be involded in all this so...)

I respect SVG opinion more than any of the ESPN talking heads... As president of Basketball operations for the Pistons he knows how this negotiations work and has been personally involved in many of them.. That is more that you can say for Zach Lowe.. Windhorst and everyone else

[Dadouv47]

If they want that much move on to Beal.

I like RW but nobody else is going to give much of anything to talk on that contract. Good luck OKC.

You don't have the assets for Beal. Pretty sure several teams are willing to trade for Beal with young players and first round picks.

But if you don't want to give up Winslow to get Russ that's another story (I still think Westbrook to Miami is almost a lock)

[greg4012]

Sounds like a plan. We've managed Dion's ego for 3 years now with no real issues. Dion's lowest usage seasons have been the 2 shared with Russ in OKC and last season with Wade. He'll have his moments, but for the most part he'll fall in line.

It also helps that, as a backup PG, Justise is relatively low usage for the position, thus affording higher usage for Butler for any minutes he shares with Winslow

He only started 35 games in 2 years in OKC and no starts for them in the playoffs.

Since being traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder, we've seen a much better player out of Waiters. The Thunder have welcomed him in and trust him to have the ball in his hands -- something that didn't always seem to be the case in Cleveland. As Darnell Mayberry of the The Oklahoman tells us, Waiters has a pretty simple solution for why there's a difference between Cleveland and OKC: He gets to touch the ball.

He chuckled.

“Listen,” he said, “they give me the ball. Like, I touch the ball. Like, I actually, like, you know, touch the ball.”

It was the second time in less than a week that Waiters trumpeted the freedom the Thunder has given him.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dion-waiters-on-thunder-they-give-me-the-ball-like-i-touch-the-ball/

He was a solid floor spacer for us throughout last season, largely in an off ball capacity

[gom]

As of right now Pat doesn't need to bid against himself. Unless another team comes forward with a better deal then he'll play hardball. The Thunder needs to find a better offer from some other team to get a better offer from us or just turn us down and take the risk of playing with a disgruntle Westbrook to the trade deadline. Plus the risk of injury as well, which would be a serious blow to their chances of trading him.

The thing is I feel like the whole Westbrook disgruntled thing is overstated. He was always ride or die with OKC through good and bad times. It's OKC pushing for the reset or at least testing the waters to see what they could get and to put Westbrook in a winning situation.

This. OKC has the obligation to build a better team around Westbrook, especially if they are so high on him. They traded PG for Danilo and SGA. That's not a reason to tank, especially when they have so many picks they can use to make trades to improve the team.