Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[Wiltside]

Also, yes there is a degree of overlap between Bam and Giannis, but there also was an overlap with LeBron and DWade. That worked Ok, because we had the right complimentary pieces around them to succeed. The FO would find those pieces (Duncan and Herro is a good place to start).

Obviously it’s different going big/big rather than guard/wing, but you get my drift. Giannis is not a ‘plus’ shooter from outside, but he did average 1.4 treys per game (albeit on like 30%). He can continue to improve that part of his game.

Of course there’s no guarantee we get him. That’s why this is a speculation thread. He very well could re-up with the Bucks as early as this offseason and put all the speculation to bed. But given the playoff failures, I’d be surprised if he didn’t test FA. We have as good a shot as anyone if it gets to that, and it’d be negligent of us to not put ourselves in that conversation.

If it turns out that Bam and Giannis are redundant and can’t truly fit together on a championship team, we have a great trade piece to get the talent that would fit.

[MHeat0279]

Its not redundant and they both are different players. We improve our length for one by having both. Both are good to great interior defenders, we improve dramatically defensively and can go man instead of zone. No one would score easily in the paint against us. Giannis is a much better offensive player, he finishes better around the rim. Though Bam can still put up 20 as he is an above average offensive player, and close to elite in pick and roll.

Having both of them, Butler at the 3, with Duncan Robinson’s shooting. Find a point guard that can handle the ball and shoot the 3 above 35%, improve the bench and we are set to compete.

I dont even mention Tyler Herro because i have a feeling he will be involved in trade talks at some point.

Riley and Spo will have that talk with Butler at some point, i get the feeling some of the relationships got a bit personal but the Heat are in the championship business, not the match.com business.

I dont even mention Tyler Herro because i have a feeling he will be involved in trade talks at some point.
The board would go up in flames

It would, but do we really have a Devin Booker in our hands? Or are we in position to sell high after everything hes done in the playoffs?

I dont know, thats for Spo and Riley to talk about. I think Tyler could definitely use summer league, and im not sure how available that will be with a December 25 league start. At this point it would be fall league.

And he could use a mentor and coach to work on his ball handling and other skills we need a guard to make. We should call up some old heat legends like Tim or Rafer to work 1 on 1 with Tyler. Jason Williams would also be a good coach for him.

Man i dont even know what to think about this off season. I would like to try to get Victor without losing any of our young guys, except Nunn and try to get Giannis in 2021, i understand nothing is written on stone in regards to 2021 but i would really like to keep our young guys, Herro should be able to become a better player, his ceiling i am not really sure.

[Dc__20]

I’d be down to trade a bunch of future picks to get dipo and turner from the pacers if that’s even possible with salary

[TroubleS0me]

Cp3 is 1 of the best point guards of all time..he still got IT.
Look @ what he did last season with OKC.

[wadeskywalker]

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[contract]

Cp3 is 1 of the best point guards of all time..he still got IT.
Look @ what he did last season with OKC.

I would love to see CP3 play with Butler, but not at $85,569,960 over the next 2 years. He played well, but older players can go from fine to washed from one year to the next. It would be a huge gamble. He would have to decline his player option for the year after next ... and if he did that I'd question his sanity.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Cp3 is 1 of the best point guards of all time..he still got IT.
Look @ what he did last season with OKC.

CP would be great on the Heat, but you'd think his contract is a non-starter. Taking yourself out of 2021 Free agency to pay CP3 40+ mil? No thanks

[Miami590]

Even if Miami gives generous one-year deals to Goran Dragic and Jae Crowder, the Heat will still be in position to add a rotation player this offseason, perhaps a very good one if the market breaks just right.

The likelihood is that the Heat will operate as an over-the-cap team instead of as a room team - a strategy that would allow Miami to exceed the cap to re-sign Dragic and Crowder (and Derrick Jones Jr. and Meyers Leonard if Miami wishes), but also leave the Heat with a $9.3 million mid-level salary cap exception to spend.

If the Heat, hypothetically, gives Dragic $20 million and Crowder $10 million in one-year deals, that would bring Miami’s cap commitments to $116 million.
If this past season’s tax line is used next season, that scenario would give Miami $16 million to spend and stay under the tax line. And staying under the tax line assuredly will be the priority.
But in that scenario, the Heat couldn’t go out and sign a $16 million free agent because Miami would not be operating as a room team. So the Heat would have four realistic options with that money:
1. Sign a player with all or part of the $9.3 million mid-level exception and then sign Jones or Leonard with whatever is left, if possible and if Miami chooses.

2. Sign Jones and Leonard and use whatever is left on outside free agents with exception money.
3. Use the mid-level exception and another exception: a $3.6 million bi-annual exception and/or its $7.5 million trade exception. None of those three exceptions can be combined.
4. Trade a player on its roster for someone making somewhat more money, under league cap rules.
Options one and three on that list are the most interesting, especially if the Heat can cajole one of the top free agents in a weak class to take mid-level money. What’s tricky is that the Heat also would need to convince any targets to take a one-year deal, so as not to diminish 2021 cap space.
Barring a shocking turn of events, it would seem unrealistic to expect any of the top free agents to take mid-level money for one season, making Miami a long shot to land free agents Serge Ibaka, Montrezl Harrell, Fred VanVleet, Danilo Gallinari, Joe Harris and very likely, Davis Bertans, unless the Heat acquired any in a trade and was willing to sacrifice 2021 cap space in the process (which is also unlikely).

Here are more realistic mid-level targets among power rotation players: Denver’s Paul Millsap (11.6 points per game, 5.7 rebounds per game, 43.5 percent on threes but 34); Clippers power forward Marcus Morris (16.7 ppg, 40.8 percent on threes), Phoenix center Aron Baynes (11.5 ppg, 5.6 rebounds per game, 35.1 on threes), Raptors veteran center Marc Gasol (7.5 ppg, 6.3 rebounds, 38.5 percent on threes but 35 and not worthy of a full mid-level) and New Orleans’ Derrick Favors (9.0 ppg, 9.8 rebounds, no three-point game).

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article246324215.html#storylink=cpy

So basically, we can re-sign Dragic and Crowder and add a player with the full MLE. That seems like the most realistic route. We could possibly absorb Oladipo’s contract with option #3 by only trading away K.O, Nunn and our first round pick while also adding another player with the MLE(Ibaka would be ideal but nearly impossible).

[Miami590]

If somehow Riley can convince Ibaka to take the MLE while getting Oladipo this team would be impossible to stop:

Playoff rotation:
Bam, Ibaka
Butler
Robinson, Iggy
Oladipo, Crowder
Herro, Dragic

[Bishop45]

Really hard, maybe impossible, to get Giannas via trade if we're not talking Bam/Herro at the very least

If we're throwing that kind of package out there, I want to catch the beard

[HeatIn5]

I think the Giannis dream is gonna hit a real snag and we will lose him to Dallas when the time comes.

[Beenie]

Really hard, maybe impossible, to get Giannas via trade if we're not talking Bam/Herro at the very least

If we're throwing that kind of package out there, I want to catch the beard

Not many teams could or would offer a better package built around Bam and picks.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Really hard, maybe impossible, to get Giannas via trade if we're not talking Bam/Herro at the very least

If we're throwing that kind of package out there, I want to catch the beard

Not many teams could or would offer a better package built around Bam and picks.

Heat are not trading Bam for Giannis. They are meant to play together not traded for each other.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Let the silly season begin. We are NOT getting Giannis via trade this year.

[twix2500]

Let the silly season begin. We are NOT getting Giannis via trade this year.

Hell no we not getting Giannis via trade this year. He hasn't shown NO indication that he even thinking about leaving. There no reason to be optimistic at all.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Crowder resigning here starting to look iffy. He wants a long term deal. Might get it elsewhere and ask Heat to match. We will part amicably. We need a bigger player at the 4 spot.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Need to give Boogie Cousins a long hard look if he’s healthy. Healthy Boogie and Bam front court is exactly what we need.

[Beenie]

Really hard, maybe impossible, to get Giannas via trade if we're not talking Bam/Herro at the very least

If we're throwing that kind of package out there, I want to catch the beard

Not many teams could or would offer a better package built around Bam and picks.

Heat are not trading Bam for Giannis. They are meant to play together not traded for each other.

Hypothetically, if Giannis wants out, and names Mia as one of his preferred destinations, and the Bucks insist on Bam being in the deal, and Mia suspects another team(s) has the ammunition to make a compelling offer, best believe Riley makes that deal.

[HEATVols865]

Not many teams could or would offer a better package built around Bam and picks.

Heat are not trading Bam for Giannis. They are meant to play together not traded for each other.

Hypothetically, if Giannis wants out, and names Mia as one of his preferred destinations, and the Bucks insist on Bam being in the deal, and Mia suspects another team(s) has the ammunition to make a compelling offer, best believe Riley makes that deal.

Nah, Jimmy will get in his ear and say: “take the trade, then leave like I did.” LOL


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