Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Trading Duncan with a 2nd or multiple seconds for a player making less or just straight space seems like a forgone conclusion at this point. Most likely to Detroit or Utah. Hence why the Burks signing makes so much sense.

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Trading Duncan with a 2nd or multiple seconds for a player making less or just straight space seems like a forgone conclusion at this point. Most likely to Detroit or Utah. Hence why the Burks signing makes so much sense.

For Grant Williams?

[Beenie]

Trading Duncan with a 2nd or multiple seconds for a player making less or just straight space seems like a forgone conclusion at this point. Most likely to Detroit or Utah. Hence why the Burks signing makes so much sense.

Is it not the case that Burk’s signing signals a potential Herro move is just as logically sound?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Trading Duncan with a 2nd or multiple seconds for a player making less or just straight space seems like a forgone conclusion at this point. Most likely to Detroit or Utah. Hence why the Burks signing makes so much sense.

For Grant Williams?

Doubt it. I think the Hornets like him and is there starting 4 until Salaun is ready.

[Lennyzinho]

The CBA defines ETO as an option in favor of the player (not the team). It is Plumpkin's option to exercise.



https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf


From Spotrac:

As a point of order, a player or team option isn’t really declined. It’s simply not exercised. A player must exercise, or opt in, to his option year, while a team must take the same action when they have control. The lone exception here is an Early Termination Option. For an ETO, a player must decline or opt out. No action would result in that player staying under contract.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/1919/projecting-2023-nba-player-and-team-options

I dont get it. How is it 9.8M guaranteed. He opts out, gets 9.8M and signs another deal or he plays for 18M? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'll go put on the dunce hat and sit in the corner now.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Trading Duncan with a 2nd or multiple seconds for a player making less or just straight space seems like a forgone conclusion at this point. Most likely to Detroit or Utah. Hence why the Burks signing makes so much sense.

Is it not the case that Burk’s signing signals a potential Herro move is just as logically sound?

Duncan is so much easier to move but i’m not counting Herro getting traded out either.

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Rough offseason so far for the Five Guys Burgers & Fries crew. Mitchell signing early totally chitcanned the 56-episode podcast series they had planned. Need to get those numbers up.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The CBA defines ETO as an option in favor of the player (not the team). It is Plumpkin's option to exercise.



https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf


From Spotrac:

As a point of order, a player or team option isn’t really declined. It’s simply not exercised. A player must exercise, or opt in, to his option year, while a team must take the same action when they have control. The lone exception here is an Early Termination Option. For an ETO, a player must decline or opt out. No action would result in that player staying under contract.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/1919/projecting-2023-nba-player-and-team-options

I dont get it. How is it 9.8M guaranteed. He opts out, gets 9.8M and signs another deal or he plays for 18M? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'll go put on the dunce hat and sit in the corner now.

The ETO gives Duncan 9.8 million and becomes a free agent. The Heat saves half of that on the cap but also has to carry the dead money unless stretched. The other option is Duncan doesn’t do anything and is essentially a 20 million expiring to be traded or play out his contract.

[Beenie]

Trading Duncan with a 2nd or multiple seconds for a player making less or just straight space seems like a forgone conclusion at this point. Most likely to Detroit or Utah. Hence why the Burks signing makes so much sense.

Is it not the case that Burk’s signing signals a potential Herro move is just as logically sound?

Duncan is so much easier to move but i’m not counting Herro getting traded out either.

If hypothetically Mia decided to dump one of them and didn’t care about the return, I’d guess that they could more easily dump Herro.

He’s still gonna sell jerseys and is young with an upside. If a team could put two or three contracts together of non needle moving players for Herro, I suspect they would. I don’t think Mia though is at the point of wanting to dump him for another teams trash.

[Lennyzinho]

The CBA defines ETO as an option in favor of the player (not the team). It is Plumpkin's option to exercise.



https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf


From Spotrac:


https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/1919/projecting-2023-nba-player-and-team-options

I dont get it. How is it 9.8M guaranteed. He opts out, gets 9.8M and signs another deal or he plays for 18M? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'll go put on the dunce hat and sit in the corner now.

The ETO gives Duncan 9.8 million and becomes a free agent. The Heat saves half of that on the cap but also has to carry the dead money unless stretched. The other option is Duncan doesn’t do anything and is essentially a 20 million expiring to be traded or play out his contract.

If he can opt out, get 9.8M and sign another deal... wouldn't he 100% do that? So wouldn't that make this contract basically untradeable?
Who would want to trade now for 1 year of Duncan and then have him opt out and the team gets left with a 9.8M cap hit. How does any player get this on their deal? We gave the dude a huge deal AND an ETO that favors the player? No wonder you don't see it in the nba, it's moronic.

IM UPSET.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I dont get it. How is it 9.8M guaranteed. He opts out, gets 9.8M and signs another deal or he plays for 18M? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'll go put on the dunce hat and sit in the corner now.

The ETO gives Duncan 9.8 million and becomes a free agent. The Heat saves half of that on the cap but also has to carry the dead money unless stretched. The other option is Duncan doesn’t do anything and is essentially a 20 million expiring to be traded or play out his contract.

If he can opt out, get 9.8M and sign another deal... wouldn't he 100% do that? So wouldn't that make this contract basically untradeable?
Who would want to trade now for 1 year of Duncan and then have him opt out and the team gets left with a 9.8M cap hit. How does any player get this on their deal? We gave the dude a huge deal AND an ETO that favors the player? No wonder you don't see it in the nba, it's moronic.

IM UPSET.

It’s the gift that keeps on giving. One of the worst contracts we have given out. Only a team with cap a good chuck of cap space and gets compensated with a pick would deem this worthwhile.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Is it not the case that Burk’s signing signals a potential Herro move is just as logically sound?

Duncan is so much easier to move but i’m not counting Herro getting traded out either.

If hypothetically Mia decided to dump one of them and didn’t care about the return, I’d guess that they could more easily dump Herro.

He’s still gonna sell jerseys and is young with an upside. If a team could put two or three contracts together of non needle moving players for Herro, I suspect they would. I don’t think Mia though is at the point of wanting to dump him for another teams trash.

Just adds to the conundrum of how hard it is for us to make any good deals right now. Pride might be too strong for us too take a loss in any of these trades. Jordan Poole was traded for Chris Paul’s expiring with State sending out a 1st and 2nd to the Wiz in order to get off Poole’s contract.

[contract]

The CBA defines ETO as an option in favor of the player (not the team). It is Plumpkin's option to exercise.



https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf


From Spotrac:


https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/1919/projecting-2023-nba-player-and-team-options

I dont get it. How is it 9.8M guaranteed. He opts out, gets 9.8M and signs another deal or he plays for 18M? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'll go put on the dunce hat and sit in the corner now.

The ETO gives Duncan 9.8 million and becomes a free agent. The Heat saves half of that on the cap but also has to carry the dead money unless stretched. The other option is Duncan doesn’t do anything and is essentially a 20 million expiring to be traded or play out his contract.

No. My understanding (if this is correct) is that Duncan has to decide to terminate and become a free agent or not by 6/29/25.

If he terminates then he's a free agent and that last season doesn't exist ($0).

If he doesn't terminate then the Heat have until 07/08/2025 to decide whether to eat the partial guarantee ($9,888,000) and cut him, or keep him and guarantee his full salary ($19,888,000).

https://fanspo.com/nba/players/duncan-robinson/1629130/contract

At least that is my understanding from the information I've found online.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I dont get it. How is it 9.8M guaranteed. He opts out, gets 9.8M and signs another deal or he plays for 18M? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'll go put on the dunce hat and sit in the corner now.

The ETO gives Duncan 9.8 million and becomes a free agent. The Heat saves half of that on the cap but also has to carry the dead money unless stretched. The other option is Duncan doesn’t do anything and is essentially a 20 million expiring to be traded or play out his contract.

No. My understanding (if this is correct) is that Duncan has to decide to terminate and become a free agent or not by 6/29/25.

If he terminates then he's a free agent and that last season doesn't exist ($0).

If he doesn't terminate then the Heat have until 07/08/2025 to decide whether to eat the partial guarantee ($9,888,000) and cut him, or keep him and guarantee his full salary ($19,888,000).

https://fanspo.com/nba/players/duncan-robinson/1629130/contract

At least that is my understanding from the information I've found online.

More clarification from another awful contract given out. It looks like if the ETO is not exercised by player the team then can follow through on it if this is correct. A little confusing

https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/davis-bertans-decides-against-exercising-early-termination-option

[contract]

If my understanding is correct, then it's unlikely that Duncan opts out like I thought he might. He's not walking away from $20 million.

[twix2500]

I wish I could visit another timeline to see this room reaction if they kept Lowry for capspace and drafted this to be the future backcourt with Herro.

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[marson]

Great, Philly got their juju smith of the NBA

[MettaWorldPanda]

I wish I could visit another timeline to see this room reaction if they kept Lowry for capspace and drafted this to be the future backcourt with Herro.

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