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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#581 » by marson » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:44 am

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marson wrote:I still predict the GS route. I'd keep Wiggins as our starter then re-route Kuminga to a third team for a big.

Phoenix thing is a smoke screen. GS is the most desperate and the one needed Jimmy the most.

Draymond and Steph on their last legs and wants to secure the 5th.


Kuminga is an asset though. What big would you be proposing to acquire with him?

I don't think Spo is ready or willing to concede on small ball. I think he'll want Bam to stay at the 5.


He is on due for an extension and aiming for 35 million a year, and I'm not sure Mickey would be willing to pay him.

Flip him to Washington for Jonas Val who could be a serviceable backup for Bam for the next 3 years. Wizard would then get a defensive wing they are missing. Maybe we can also convince Washington to give up a pick for him.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#582 » by twix2500 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:51 am

By the way, the Warriors can trade Scheroder again before the deadline.
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Post#583 » by marson » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:54 am

Wiggins, 29, is averaging 17 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists this season. 43% from threes.

He struggled last season after a family loss, but showed can be a defensive beast.

I think he’s got more to give and could thrive here.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#584 » by al bondiga » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:56 am

I don't understand why people think You're gonna get so much for jb... Riley won't trade him Unless it's for future picks and an Incredible expiring contract, is my feeling
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#585 » by Beenie » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:36 am

Vuc, Kuminga, Beal all meh

Need a reliable guard who can play on-ball when Jimmy is off the court and keep Herro from having to be given handling responsibilities more than anything.

Dru has improved to his credit, but Mia will need a vet who they can trust in the playoffs to man that role.
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Post#586 » by marson » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:25 am

Beenie wrote:Vuc, Kuminga, Beal all meh

Need a reliable guard who can play on-ball when Jimmy is off the court and keep Herro from having to be given handling responsibilities more than anything.

Dru has improved to his credit, but Mia will need a vet who they can trust in the playoffs to man that role.


Sounds like Dennis Schroeder. Oh wait.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#587 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:42 am

twix2500 wrote:By the way, the Warriors can trade Scheroder again before the deadline.

Schroder can’t be aggregated with other players in trade. He won’t be dealt here.
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Post#588 » by twix2500 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:53 am

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twix2500 wrote:By the way, the Warriors can trade Scheroder again before the deadline.

Schroder can’t be aggregated with other players in trade. He won’t be dealt here.


Golden State indeed has permission to re-trade Schröder in combination with outgoing additional salary and Brooklyn can re-trade Melton in the same manner before the Feb. 6 trade deadline even though neither will have spent 60 days with their new teams,” the column reads
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Post#589 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:54 am

Working the trade checker

Butler and J Rich

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Kuminga, Looney, Payton, and Wiggins works. Maybe Kuminga and the expiring's get rerouted to Brooklyn for Cameron Johnson?

The end result of this deal is Wiggins and Cameron Johnson on cost effective contracts and multiple first from the Warriors. Does that move the needle? I could also see a scenario of Kuminga to the Jazz for John Collins.
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Post#590 » by marson » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:59 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Working the trade checker

Butler and J Rich

For

Kuminga, Looney, Payton, and Wiggins works. Maybe Kuminga and the expiring's get rerouted to Brooklyn for Cameron Johnson?

The end result of this deal is Wiggins and Cameron Johnson on cost effective contracts and multiple first from the Warriors. Does that move the needle? I could also see a scenario of Kuminga to the Jazz for John Collins.


I'd sign up for this one.

Herro / Smith
Payton / Robinson
Wiggins / Jaquez
Johnson / Higsmith
Bam / Looney

Still competitive in the east and got younger while still have the flexibility to move contracts, and we also get some picks. Kuminga would be routed to a 3rd team for sure, I will pick Wiggins over him.

With Warriors losing big tonight, they might pull the trigger.
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Post#591 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:00 am

twix2500 wrote:
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twix2500 wrote:By the way, the Warriors can trade Scheroder again before the deadline.

Schroder can’t be aggregated with other players in trade. He won’t be dealt here.


Golden State indeed has permission to re-trade Schröder in combination with outgoing additional salary and Brooklyn can re-trade Melton in the same manner before the Feb. 6 trade deadline even though neither will have spent 60 days with their new teams,” the column reads

Yup that’s correct. The fanspo trade checker needs to be updated. He can be aggregated right before the trade deadline but don’t think they will have to. They have enough expiring's with Payton and Looney to match. They would want Schroder to stay since he fills a big need for them.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#592 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:03 am

marson wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Working the trade checker

Butler and J Rich

For

Kuminga, Looney, Payton, and Wiggins works. Maybe Kuminga and the expiring's get rerouted to Brooklyn for Cameron Johnson?

The end result of this deal is Wiggins and Cameron Johnson on cost effective contracts and multiple first from the Warriors. Does that move the needle? I could also see a scenario of Kuminga to the Jazz for John Collins.


I'd sign up for this one.

Herro / Smith
Payton / Robinson
Wiggins / Jaquez
Johnson / Higsmith
Bam / Looney

Still competitive in the east and got younger while still have the flexibility to move contracts, and we also get some picks. Kuminga would be routed to a 3rd team for sure, I will pick Wiggins over him.

With Warriors losing big tonight, they might pull the trigger.

I like the idea of keeping Payton but going to have to salary match for either Cameron Johnson or John Collins. Kuminga and Looney equal about 15 million. Cam makes 22.5. Payton probably has to get thrown in.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#593 » by marson » Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:07 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
marson wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Working the trade checker

Butler and J Rich

For

Kuminga, Looney, Payton, and Wiggins works. Maybe Kuminga and the expiring's get rerouted to Brooklyn for Cameron Johnson?

The end result of this deal is Wiggins and Cameron Johnson on cost effective contracts and multiple first from the Warriors. Does that move the needle? I could also see a scenario of Kuminga to the Jazz for John Collins.


I'd sign up for this one.

Herro / Smith
Payton / Robinson
Wiggins / Jaquez
Johnson / Higsmith
Bam / Looney

Still competitive in the east and got younger while still have the flexibility to move contracts, and we also get some picks. Kuminga would be routed to a 3rd team for sure, I will pick Wiggins over him.

With Warriors losing big tonight, they might pull the trigger.

I like the idea of keeping Payton but going to have to salary match for either Cameron Johnson or John Collins. Kuminga and Looney equal about 15 million. Cam makes 22.5. Payton probably has to get thrown in.


or BK may ask Jaquez or Niko? I don't know, but I'm willing to throw one of these guys.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#594 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:13 am

You guys still don't get it? You don't trade Jimmy and end up with the Cameron Johnsons or John Collins of the world.

Those guys are only valuable to support Jimmy, they're worthless to us if he's not here. we'll have a team of supporting players with no real star they can supporting. That's a recipe for a permanent play-in team.

You either get enough high quality picks, or you get a young player/s with REAL upside to become a great starter, or you just don't move Jimmy.

I'd trade for Lavine (Rozier + Duncan) and extend Jimmy way before I sell off Jimmy for random role players.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#595 » by fishfuego. » Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:56 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Shoutout to the Pistons for being down 30 in the first quarter at home to the Jazz.

Have I mentioned how much I hate this fuxking team?

At some point Spo has to get the full wrath of the blame. His one way playbook of small ball was imo the reason for this loss. He consistently puts players on disadvantages where they either end up small on big getting killed on the glass and easy put backs, or killed from open 3s. His defensive scheme is way outdated, and it shows game after game. If Herro’s 3s are not falling, then it’s a guaranteed loss.
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Post#596 » by fishfuego. » Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:58 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:You guys still don't get it? You don't trade Jimmy and end up with the Cameron Johnsons or John Collins of the world.

Those guys are only valuable to support Jimmy, they're worthless to us if he's not here. we'll have a team of supporting players with no real star they can supporting. That's a recipe for a permanent play-in team.

You either get enough high quality picks, or you get a young player/s with REAL upside to become a great starter, or you just don't move Jimmy.

I'd trade for Lavine (Rozier + Duncan) and extend Jimmy way before I sell off Jimmy for random role players.

Yup.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#597 » by marson » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:01 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:You guys still don't get it? You don't trade Jimmy and end up with the Cameron Johnsons or John Collins of the world.

Those guys are only valuable to support Jimmy, they're worthless to us if he's not here. we'll have a team of supporting players with no real star they can supporting. That's a recipe for a permanent play-in team.

You either get enough high quality picks, or you get a young player/s with REAL upside to become a great starter, or you just don't move Jimmy.

I'd trade for Lavine (Rozier + Duncan) and extend Jimmy way before I sell off Jimmy for random role players.


As soon as LeBron announced his departure, our GM, Pat Riley, wasted no time signing Danny Granger, McRoberts, and Luol Deng. This organization would never tank, haha.

Expect Pat to field a competitive roster and bring in veterans to support Herro and Bam when they trade Jimmy.
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Post#598 » by contract » Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:14 pm

Extending Jimmy would be insane. We may as well just set 1/3 of our cap on fire. In fact that would be better because it would be over and done quickly. Extending Jimmy would set our cap on fire for half a decade or more if we end up having to stretch him.

Extending Jimmy would make the Duncan Robinson deal look like a stroke of genius.
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Post#599 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:09 pm

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Post#600 » by twix2500 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:11 pm

This is why the Heat are playing hardball. Butler doesn't have a moral ground to stand on in regardless to getting a raise. Lets grt this straight an extension is not the problem its the raise he wants. Butler has double down saying he doesn't want extension unless its a raise. Heat have paid him a lot so not paying their lead guys is not what Butler situation should be painted as.

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