Heat begin talks with Kenyon Martin

Laazard · Post #61 » by **Laazard** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:15 am

I agree either. Rex, you're using stats but you're not looking at the background.

HeatDaChamps · Post #62 » by **HeatDaChamps** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:39 am

starting to become skeptical....not sure what there is to talk about....sign or dont sign....

Flash4thewin · Post #63 » by **Flash4thewin** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 6:36 pm

The idea is Kmart is an upgrade over UD and is cheap, hes not going to be a world changer just someone better than what UD brings to the table

SweetTouch · Post #64 » by **SweetTouch** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 7:10 pm

This is like the Turiaf signing

playboyj305 · Post #65 » by **playboyj305** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 7:15 pm

SweetTouch wrote:This is like the Turiaf signing

Exactly..

Pimpwerx · Post #66 » by **Pimpwerx** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 8:20 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:The idea is Kmart is an upgrade over UD and is cheap, hes not going to be a world changer just someone better than what UD brings to the table

We could float UD on the market and get something back in exchange. You can't give KMart away. The notion that KMart is better than UD is ludicrous. Even in his struggles, UD is a better prospect than KMart. PEACE.

RexBoyWonder · Post #67 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 8:37 pm

Pimpwerx wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:The idea is Kmart is an upgrade over UD and is cheap, hes not going to be a world changer just someone better than what UD brings to the table

We could float UD on the market and get something back in exchange. You can't give KMart away. The notion that KMart is better than UD is ludicrous. Even in his struggles, UD is a better prospect than KMart. PEACE.

You watch the Games, right?

No way martin isn't an upgrade, the only qusetion is how much of an upgrade.

Slot Machine · Post #68 » by **Slot Machine** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 8:38 pm

Pimpwerx wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:The idea is Kmart is an upgrade over UD and is cheap, hes not going to be a world changer just someone better than what UD brings to the table

We could float UD on the market and get something back in exchange. You can't give KMart away. The notion that KMart is better than UD is ludicrous. Even in his struggles, UD is a better prospect than KMart. PEACE.

UD has no value right now to any team other than us.

Pimpwerx · Post #69 » by **Pimpwerx** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 8:55 pm

Chalm Down Bro wrote:UD has no value right now to any team other than us.

Where's KMart's value? In the folds of his couch? Because I'm pretty sure one of these guys is collecting millions for his skills, and the other is watching the games on his tv. It's possible that you and Rex are right, but the evidence is not gonna support you. It's REALLY hard to explain how a guy who's been gainfully employed, and even a starter this season, is worse than the unemployed guy who's missed 30 games of the season so far, due to lack of demand. PEACE.

Slot Machine · Post #70 » by **Slot Machine** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 9:05 pm

Pimpwerx wrote:
Chalm Down Bro wrote:UD has no value right now to any team other than us.

Where's KMart's value? In the folds of his couch? Because I'm pretty sure one of these guys is collecting millions for his skills, and the other is watching the games on his tv. It's possible that you and Rex are right, but the evidence is not gonna support you. It's REALLY hard to explain how a guy who's been gainfully employed, and even a starter this season, is worse than the unemployed guy who's missed 30 games of the season so far, due to lack of demand. PEACE.

KMart has little value too, judging by how he isn't signed. The fact that Udonis is being paid is more of an indication he's on a bad contract(in retrospect). KMart isn't signed because of chemistry/personality issues rather than basketball skills. Haslem would not get us anything in a trade.

cb1 · Post #71 » by **cb1** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 9:27 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
Pimpwerx wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:The idea is Kmart is an upgrade over UD and is cheap, hes not going to be a world changer just someone better than what UD brings to the table

We could float UD on the market and get something back in exchange. You can't give KMart away. The notion that KMart is better than UD is ludicrous. Even in his struggles, UD is a better prospect than KMart. PEACE.

You watch the Games, right?

No way martin isn't an upgrade, the only qusetion is how much of an upgrade.

narmerguy · Post #72 » by **narmerguy** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:06 am

Pimpwerx wrote:
Chalm Down Bro wrote:UD has no value right now to any team other than us.

Where's KMart's value? In the folds of his couch? Because I'm pretty sure one of these guys is collecting millions for his skills, and the other is watching the games on his tv. It's possible that you and Rex are right, but the evidence is not gonna support you. It's REALLY hard to explain how a guy who's been gainfully employed, and even a starter this season, is worse than the unemployed guy who's missed 30 games of the season so far, due to lack of demand. PEACE.

Absolutely no way any other team wants Haslem. He has no trade value.

RexBoyWonder · Post #73 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:16 am

narmerguy wrote:
Pimpwerx wrote:
Chalm Down Bro wrote:UD has no value right now to any team other than us.

Where's KMart's value? In the folds of his couch? Because I'm pretty sure one of these guys is collecting millions for his skills, and the other is watching the games on his tv. It's possible that you and Rex are right, but the evidence is not gonna support you. It's REALLY hard to explain how a guy who's been gainfully employed, and even a starter this season, is worse than the unemployed guy who's missed 30 games of the season so far, due to lack of demand. PEACE.

Absolutely no way any other team wants Haslem. He has no trade value.

Actually, he has negative value. which means that in order for another team to take his contract off our hands, we'll have to also send them a sweetner like a draft pick or Cole.

Edit : I dont even think that would be enough, nobody will take him even if we add a sweetner. he's getting 9Mil$ over the next 2 years...that's alot of money for a player that would'nt crack the rotation of 95% of the teams in leauge. With the new CBA and all, it's very hard to move a contract like that if you dont attach it to a big enough sweetner.

Pimpwerx · Post #74 » by **Pimpwerx** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:53 am

If UD had so little value, he wouldn't be starting for us. He's ahead of Shane and Shard on the PF depth chart. I think his slump is overblown.

This season:
3.9pts, 4.9reb, 0.5ast, 0.2blk, 0.5stl, 2.3pf, 0.9to on .490 shooting in 18.8 minutes

Career:
9.3pts, 7.9reb, 1.0ast, 0.3blk, 0.6stl, 2.7pf, 1.1to on .494 shooting in 29.7 minutes

This season normalized with his career minutes:
6.2pts, 7.7reb, 0.8ast, 0.3blk, 0.8stl, 3.6pf, 1.4to on .490 shooting in 29.7 minutes

His scoring has dropped off, but he's also shooting less. His shooting percentage is .004 lower, so he's pretty much at his career efficiency. A slightly lower assist rate, with a slightly higher steal rate. He's fouling at a higher rate, as well as turning the ball over. However, none of this suggests a monumental shift in the quality of player he is now, compared to what he's been for his career. In short, his drop-off has been exaggerated, and if had value two years ago, he still has some today. Certainly more than KMart, and that's not disputable. PEACE.

imchillin · Post #75 » by **imchillin** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 1:10 am

Pimpwerx wrote:If UD had so little value, he wouldn't be starting for us. He's ahead of Shane and Shard on the PF depth chart. I think his slump is overblown.

This season:
3.9pts, 4.9reb, 0.5ast, 0.2blk, 0.5stl, 2.3pf, 0.9to on .490 shooting in 18.8 minutes

Career:
9.3pts, 7.9reb, 1.0ast, 0.3blk, 0.6stl, 2.7pf, 1.1to on .494 shooting in 29.7 minutes

This season normalized with his career minutes:
6.2pts, 7.7reb, 0.8ast, 0.3blk, 0.8stl, 3.6pf, 1.4to on .490 shooting in 29.7 minutes

His scoring has dropped off, but he's also shooting less. His shooting percentage is .004 lower, so he's pretty much at his career efficiency. A slightly lower assist rate, with a slightly higher steal rate. He's fouling at a higher rate, as well as turning the ball over. However, none of this suggests a monumental shift in the quality of player he is now, compared to what he's been for his career. In short, his drop-off has been exaggerated, and if had value two years ago, he still has some today. Certainly more than KMart, and that's not disputable. PEACE.

Smh you really love mediocrity

RexBoyWonder · Post #76 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 2:12 am

Pimpwerx wrote:If UD had so little value, he wouldn't be starting for us. He's ahead of Shane and Shard on the PF depth chart. I think his slump is overblown.

This season:
3.9pts, 4.9reb, 0.5ast, 0.2blk, 0.5stl, 2.3pf, 0.9to on .490 shooting in 18.8 minutes

Career:
9.3pts, 7.9reb, 1.0ast, 0.3blk, 0.6stl, 2.7pf, 1.1to on .494 shooting in 29.7 minutes

This season normalized with his career minutes:
6.2pts, 7.7reb, 0.8ast, 0.3blk, 0.8stl, 3.6pf, 1.4to on .490 shooting in 29.7 minutes

His scoring has dropped off, but he's also shooting less. His shooting percentage is .004 lower, so he's pretty much at his career efficiency. A slightly lower assist rate, with a slightly higher steal rate. He's fouling at a higher rate, as well as turning the ball over. However, none of this suggests a monumental shift in the quality of player he is now, compared to what he's been for his career. In short, his drop-off has been exaggerated, and if had value two years ago, he still has some today. Certainly more than KMart, and that's not disputable. PEACE.

Sorry to tell you this mate but you really dont understand how the NBA works or how to evaluate contracts and im too tired to explain it to you. Maybe some other time.

EscapoTHB · Post #77 » by **EscapoTHB** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 2:38 am

narmerguy wrote:
Pimpwerx wrote:
Chalm Down Bro wrote:UD has no value right now to any team other than us.

Where's KMart's value? In the folds of his couch? Because I'm pretty sure one of these guys is collecting millions for his skills, and the other is watching the games on his tv. It's possible that you and Rex are right, but the evidence is not gonna support you. It's REALLY hard to explain how a guy who's been gainfully employed, and even a starter this season, is worse than the unemployed guy who's missed 30 games of the season so far, due to lack of demand. PEACE.

Absolutely no way any other team wants Haslem. He has no trade value.

I guarantee contenders would pick him up for the same reason no one wants Martin. Haslem is a champion and a team leader. You want those guys in your locker room.

We should dig up juwan Howard.

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EscapoTHB · Post #78 » by **EscapoTHB** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 2:40 am

imchillin wrote:
Pimpwerx wrote:If UD had so little value, he wouldn't be starting for us. He's ahead of Shane and Shard on the PF depth chart. I think his slump is overblown.

This season:
3.9pts, 4.9reb, 0.5ast, 0.2blk, 0.5stl, 2.3pf, 0.9to on .490 shooting in 18.8 minutes

Career:
9.3pts, 7.9reb, 1.0ast, 0.3blk, 0.6stl, 2.7pf, 1.1to on .494 shooting in 29.7 minutes

This season normalized with his career minutes:
6.2pts, 7.7reb, 0.8ast, 0.3blk, 0.8stl, 3.6pf, 1.4to on .490 shooting in 29.7 minutes

His scoring has dropped off, but he's also shooting less. His shooting percentage is .004 lower, so he's pretty much at his career efficiency. A slightly lower assist rate, with a slightly higher steal rate. He's fouling at a higher rate, as well as turning the ball over. However, none of this suggests a monumental shift in the quality of player he is now, compared to what he's been for his career. In short, his drop-off has been exaggerated, and if had value two years ago, he still has some today. Certainly more than KMart, and that's not disputable. PEACE.

Smh you really love mediocrity

How are the heat mediocre?

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imchillin · Post #79 » by **imchillin** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 3:46 am

Our bigs are mediocre, not the team. US IS MEDIOCRE. trying to play Battier as a big every night is bs.

I can't stand people who just wanna discredit every attempt by posters to discuss upgrades by telling us how good our mediocre bigs are, nonsense

EscapoTHB · Post #80 » by **EscapoTHB** » Sat Jan 5, 2013 3:51 am

Yeah but Kenyon Martin is mediocre too. Maybe worse. And doesn't have the intangibles ud has.

Joel is better than both. I think Joel needs to move back to the starting lineup for the regular season.
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