Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max II

[QUIZ]

Hassan isn't worth the Max as a player.

But considering the market is starving for Centers.... some team will give him a lot of money.

So we're stuck with him.

Now that's a sales pitch if I've ever heard one. He could leave for nothing you know.

[goodboy]

Hassan isn't worth the Max as a player.

But considering the market is starving for Centers.... some team will give him a lot of money.

So we're stuck with him.

Phew, thank god. Can't wait

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Hassan isn't worth the Max as a player.

But considering the market is starving for Centers.... some team will give him a lot of money.

So we're stuck with him.

Now that's a sales pitch if I've ever heard one. He could leave for nothing you know.

Get ready for an unpopular opinion. Here goes. We could always sign him long term, and then trade him during the season for someone else.

He's 26 yrs old and is always nursing some small injury and now it kept him out of crucial playoff games vs the Raps. He's too young to be missing games for what looked like a small physical contact. He injured his knee in Game 1, then he re-injures it again in Game 3 on a play where he fell down through small contact. That's no good to me at his age.

He also got exposed on D big time.

And remember, this is "Well behaved, I'm playing for a max contract" Hassan Whiteside. What happens when he gets it? Hassan's track record tells me he doesn't have the fire to be great. You really think the Heat can fix his personality and desire to be a great player? Yeah, I remember Riley's project on guys like Ike Austin, I think he used to be fat and turned into a competent player? But you want to give a project player with red flags a max contract?

So look. We got no choice but to sign him for whatever Riley can get away with, I guess. But I'd look into trading him ASAP while he's putting up good stats during the Reg season.


- Keep Dragic
- Keep Wade
- Hope Bosh takes the bait and medically retires..... if not we gotta get rid of his salary some other way ASAP
- Turn Whiteside into other more reliable pieces to help Spo play small ball all day

[heat4life]

^^assuming Hassan gets $20m. Then how can Miami sign Wade and Deng back?
IMO, Wade will ask at least $15m per yr. Not enough to keep Deng. Not really an easy situation.. Maybe JJ gets what is left with the cap space.

Winslow may start in Dengs place but it weakens the bench. Bosh is already out and we dont even know if he's coming back. We know that Winslow outside shot is limited.

We don't need Deng and he's getting old.

We need more garbagemen on this Heat team. Guys who will grab boards and fight in the paint.

Sounds like what Luol Deng can give you at his very least.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

^^assuming Hassan gets $20m. Then how can Miami sign Wade and Deng back?
IMO, Wade will ask at least $15m per yr. Not enough to keep Deng. Not really an easy situation.. Maybe JJ gets what is left with the cap space.

Winslow may start in Dengs place but it weakens the bench. Bosh is already out and we dont even know if he's coming back. We know that Winslow outside shot is limited.

We don't need Deng and he's getting old.

We need more garbagemen on this Heat team. Guys who will grab boards and fight in the paint.

Sounds like what Luol Deng can give you at his very least.

Garbagemen don't make $10 mil. Deng's too expensive. And he doesn't take enough 3's, or shoot it well enough, for my liking.

Would be better to have a much younger, really good 3&D guy who can do the dirty work on this team for Wade/Dragic etc...... he'd be a lot cheaper, and then we can use the rest of the money on bench depth.

[heat4life]

We don't need Deng and he's getting old.

We need more garbagemen on this Heat team. Guys who will grab boards and fight in the paint.

Sounds like what Luol Deng can give you at his very least.

Garbagemen don't make $10 mil. Deng's too expensive. Would be better to have a much younger, really good 3&D guy who can do the dirty work on this team for Wade/Dragic etc...... he'd be a lot cheaper, and then we can use the rest of the money on bench depth.

I said at the very least. Luol Deng can give you a lot more than what you are asking for and regardless of his age, for $10 mil is a good bargain in today's NBA. I would also like you show me "proven" 3&D guys that you suggest we can get for less than Luol Deng money.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Sounds like what Luol Deng can give you at his very least.

Garbagemen don't make $10 mil. Deng's too expensive. Would be better to have a much younger, really good 3&D guy who can do the dirty work on this team for Wade/Dragic etc...... he'd be a lot cheaper, and then we can use the rest of the money on bench depth.

I said at the very least. Luol Deng can give you a lot more than what you are asking for and regardless of his age, for $10 mil is a good bargain in today's NBA. I would also like you show me "proven" 3&D guys that you suggest we can get for less than Luol Deng money.

Well, for one, Jared Dudley is a free agent this summer. He made around $4 mil last season. He is a good 3&D guy at half of Deng's price. Dudley is a career 40% 3pt shooter, much better than Deng's pitiful 33%.


Another guy is Evan Fournier. Around $3 mil this coming season.... we can pay more for him but he'd still be worth half of Deng and would do the job

[heat4life]

Garbagemen don't make $10 mil. Deng's too expensive. Would be better to have a much younger, really good 3&D guy who can do the dirty work on this team for Wade/Dragic etc...... he'd be a lot cheaper, and then we can use the rest of the money on bench depth.

I said at the very least. Luol Deng can give you a lot more than what you are asking for and regardless of his age, for $10 mil is a good bargain in today's NBA. I would also like you show me "proven" 3&D guys that you suggest we can get for less than Luol Deng money.

Well, for one, Jared Dudley is a free agent this summer. He made around $4 mil last season. He is a good 3&D guy at half of Deng's price. Dudley is a career 40% 3pt shooter, much better than Deng's pitiful 33%.

I'll give Dudley the 3 but the D? He is nowhere near the defender Deng is, or rebounder for that matter. Deng might not be a prolific 3pt shooter but can hit it well from the corners plus his slashing and BBIQ is above average. There is a reason why Dudley only gets $4mil and Deng gets $10mil.

I don't get why the urgency to get rid of Deng when he has proven over his career to be an integral glue guy. Look at the numbers when he was on the court during the playoffs vs when he wasn't. You want Dudley, great but not at the expense of Deng. You want to upgrade from Deng, I can respect that also but a player like "Dudley" is not an upgrade.

I can see Deng giving a team a couple more good seasons. Perfectly timed to allow Winslow to become a more complete player.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I said at the very least. Luol Deng can give you a lot more than what you are asking for and regardless of his age, for $10 mil is a good bargain in today's NBA. I would also like you show me "proven" 3&D guys that you suggest we can get for less than Luol Deng money.

Well, for one, Jared Dudley is a free agent this summer. He made around $4 mil last season. He is a good 3&D guy at half of Deng's price. Dudley is a career 40% 3pt shooter, much better than Deng's pitiful 33%.

I'll give Dudley the 3 but the D? He is nowhere near the defender Deng is, or rebounder for that matter. Deng might not be a prolific 3pt shooter but can hit it well from the corners plus his slashing and BBIQ is above average. There is a reason why Dudley only gets $4mil and Deng gets $10mil.

I don't get why the urgency to get rid of Deng when he has proven over his career to be an integral glue guy. Look at the numbers when he was on the court during the playoffs vs when he wasn't. You want Dudley, great but not at the expense of Deng. You want to upgrade from Deng, I can respect that also but a player like "Dudley" is not an upgrade.

I can see Deng giving a team a couple more good seasons. Perfectly timed to allow Winslow to become a more complete player.

Well, Dudley was asked to always guard the opposing team's best perimeter player in their system. I'm sure he would benefit playing in Spo's superior defensive system. And if we spend $5 mil on Dudley, we have another $5 mil to spend on another player. I want to break Deng's salary into two garbagemen who will do the dirty work for Wade and Dragic. Deng isn't doing it well enough, and to be honest his 3pt shooting is unacceptable.

What about Evan Fournier of the Magic? Made like $3 mil last year. Obviously that salary will go up, but I think he'd STILL be cheaper than Deng and he's like 22 years old, and a good 3&D guy.

[heat4life]

Well, for one, Jared Dudley is a free agent this summer. He made around $4 mil last season. He is a good 3&D guy at half of Deng's price. Dudley is a career 40% 3pt shooter, much better than Deng's pitiful 33%.

I'll give Dudley the 3 but the D? He is nowhere near the defender Deng is, or rebounder for that matter. Deng might not be a prolific 3pt shooter but can hit it well from the corners plus his slashing and BBIQ is above average. There is a reason why Dudley only gets $4mil and Deng gets $10mil.

I don't get why the urgency to get rid of Deng when he has proven over his career to be an integral glue guy. Look at the numbers when he was on the court during the playoffs vs when he wasn't. You want Dudley, great but not at the expense of Deng. You want to upgrade from Deng, I can respect that also but a player like "Dudley" is not an upgrade.

I can see Deng giving a team a couple more good seasons. Perfectly timed to allow Winslow to become a more complete player.

Yeah but if we spend $5 mil on Dudley, we have another $5 mil to spend on another player. I want to break Deng's salary into two garbagemen who will do the dirty work for Wade and Dragic. Deng isn't doing it well enough, and to be honest his 3pt shooting is unacceptable.

What about Evan Fournier of the Magic? Made like $3 mil last year.

If we have to pay Hassan and Wade, we might not be able to afford Deng, Dudley or anyone else. Also, in the case Wade leave money on the table for better players, I can see him doing it for Deng...but Dudley? Nah

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Another guy I'd like is Wayne Ellington (for small ball). Made only $1.5 mil last year. We could grab him for a LOT less than Deng. He's 28 years old, a better 3pt shooter, and a better defender.


- Evan Fournier of the Magic (maybe can still get him cheaper than Deng, and hes a lot younger)
- Wayne Ellington of the Nets

there's a bunch of guys we could grab to be better 3&D guys than Deng at half of his salary..... Deng is simply not worth his salary if he's going to be a crappy 3pt shooter. And Deng is also 31. Just no. We already have enough problems with Wade's 3pt shooting. We can't have Deng out there shooting 33%.

We need some young legs at his position to knock down open 3's from Wade/Dragic. With the PG/SG combo we have now, we don't need a SF who can create his own offense. We need a cheap player who can stand at the 3pt line and knock down the open 3 pointer to spread the floor when Dragic/Wade gives the outlet pass. And they need to be able to play defense and do the dirty work to alleviate Wade.

[heat4life]

Another guy I'd like is Wayne Ellington (for small ball). Made only $1.5 mil last year. We could grab him for a LOT less than Deng. He's 28 years old, a better 3pt shooter, and a better defender.


- Evan Fournier of the Magic (maybe can still get him cheaper than Deng, and hes a lot younger)
- Wayne Ellington of the Nets

there's a bunch of guys we could grab to be better 3&D guys than Deng at half of his salary..... Deng is simply not worth his salary if he's going to be a crappy 3pt shooter. And Deng is also 31. Just no. We already have enough problems with Wade's 3pt shooting. We can't have Deng out there shooting 33%.

We need some young legs at his position to knock down open 3's from Wade/Dragic. With the PG/SG combo we have now, we don't need a SF who can create his own offense. We need a cheap player who can stand at the 3pt line and knock down the open 3 pointer to spread the floor when Dragic/Wade gives the outlet pass. And they need to be able to play defense and do the dirty work to alleviate Wade.

Again, I have no problem adding a player like Ellington but to replace Deng is a step back. Not to mention that Ellington is a guard and can't play the 3 and 4 like Deng can.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Another guy I'd like is Wayne Ellington (for small ball). Made only $1.5 mil last year. We could grab him for a LOT less than Deng. He's 28 years old, a better 3pt shooter, and a better defender.


- Evan Fournier of the Magic (maybe can still get him cheaper than Deng, and hes a lot younger)
- Wayne Ellington of the Nets

there's a bunch of guys we could grab to be better 3&D guys than Deng at half of his salary..... Deng is simply not worth his salary if he's going to be a crappy 3pt shooter. And Deng is also 31. Just no. We already have enough problems with Wade's 3pt shooting. We can't have Deng out there shooting 33%.

We need some young legs at his position to knock down open 3's from Wade/Dragic. With the PG/SG combo we have now, we don't need a SF who can create his own offense. We need a cheap player who can stand at the 3pt line and knock down the open 3 pointer to spread the floor when Dragic/Wade gives the outlet pass. And they need to be able to play defense and do the dirty work to alleviate Wade.

Again, I have no problem adding a player like Ellington but to replace Deng is a step back. Not to mention that Ellington is a guard and can't play the 3 and 4 like Deng can.

Right but I said we should turn Deng's salary into TWO garbagemen 3&D guys. We get 1 legit SF, and a guy like Ellington.......we might as well give Spo the small ball he loves to play. Ellington can come off the bench for the 2/3 spots and play defense and drain open 3's.

Have Wade out there surrounded by Dragic at the PG and a guy like Ellington at the SF and let Spo play small ball to his heart's content and have Wade/Dragic penetrate and outlet pass for 3's all day.

We simply can't have Deng out there shooting 33% from 3pt.

[NBADraft2003]

Another guy I'd like is Wayne Ellington (for small ball). Made only $1.5 mil last year. We could grab him for a LOT less than Deng. He's 28 years old, a better 3pt shooter, and a better defender.


- Evan Fournier of the Magic (maybe can still get him cheaper than Deng, and hes a lot younger)
- Wayne Ellington of the Nets

there's a bunch of guys we could grab to be better 3&D guys than Deng at half of his salary..... Deng is simply not worth his salary if he's going to be a crappy 3pt shooter. And Deng is also 31. Just no. We already have enough problems with Wade's 3pt shooting. We can't have Deng out there shooting 33%.

We need some young legs at his position to knock down open 3's from Wade/Dragic. With the PG/SG combo we have now, we don't need a SF who can create his own offense. We need a cheap player who can stand at the 3pt line and knock down the open 3 pointer to spread the floor when Dragic/Wade gives the outlet pass. And they need to be able to play defense and do the dirty work to alleviate Wade.

Fournier will command more money than Luol...

[RexBoyWonder]

Hey Grumpy, put the booze down.

Evan Fournier is a very nice player, but getting him for 5Mil$? what are you talking about. He's going to get triple that much. most likely More then Deng. That's not a money saving move. And he's a 2-3, a position we don't really need to add to.

Wayne Ellington?! the 6'4 SG as a Deng replacement? wut. He's a less talented TJ. Has nothing to with what Deng brings.

Deng is not the defender he once was but he's still a good one, considerably better then those 2, and they can't even play his position, the position we'll need to fill - PF.

[RexBoyWonder]

If we do lose Deng (and that's nothing to hope for), we'll be looking at guys like Mirza Teletovic, Marvin Williams, Jared Dudley, Wesley Johnson, Darrell Arthur.

And I kid you not when I say we might not be able to afford some of THESE guys with our cap situation and teams overpaying like crazy due to cap rise.

Edit : last name I found and might be surprising but I think is very interesting - Meyers Leonard.

The kid is actually a great shooter. Not much of defender if you ask him to anchor your defense, but if we slide him to PF next to Whiteside, they might actually work well together. While he's a 7 footer, Myles is very good 3 point shooter, and mobile enough to defend PF's. His market value might be kinda low, I'm not sure teams view him a starter.

[Flash4thewin]

I can see Whiteside if he picks up taking the full max, no discounts because who knows if we try to trade him. Mario took a paycut out of loyalty and we traded him. Miller signed here on a discount and we traded him. Birdman signed out of loyalty/money then when we kept him away from signing with the cavs we traded him. We are a business not a family guys.

The other thing i find interesting is say for arguments sake, Bosh retires and with the cap space next off season we actually sign Durant and Westbrook. Our shot distribution would be something like Durant,Westbrook,Wade, Dragic ( if he is here), Winslow, then Whiteside? We know Whiteside wants to be great but in that situation he would be a 5th/6th option? Just for fun say Deng leaves, next season it would still be Wade, Dragic,JJ,Winslow then Whiteside with shots? Other teams will want him to there franchise players a corner stone to the team, here i honestly cant say what we want.

[QUIZ]

I can see Whiteside if he picks up taking the full max, no discounts because who knows if we try to trade him. Mario took a paycut out of loyalty and we traded him. Miller signed here on a discount and we traded him. Birdman signed out of loyalty/money then when we kept him away from signing with the cavs we traded him. We are a business not a family guys.

The other thing i find interesting is say for arguments sake, Bosh retires and with the cap space next off season we actually sign Durant and Westbrook. Our shot distribution would be something like Durant,Westbrook,Wade, Dragic ( if he is here), Winslow, then Whiteside? We know Whiteside wants to be great but in that situation he would be a 5th/6th option? Just for fun say Deng leaves, next season it would still be Wade, Dragic,JJ,Winslow then Whiteside with shots? Other teams will want him to there franchise players a corner stone to the team, here i honestly cant say what we want.

We want to win.

[Bishop45]

If we do lose Deng (and that's nothing to hope for), we'll be looking at guys like Mirza Teletovic, Marvin Williams, Jared Dudley, Wesley Johnson, Darrell Arthur.

And I kid you not when I say we might not be able to afford some of THESE guys with our cap situation and teams overpaying like crazy due to cap rise.

Edit : last name I found and might be surprising but I think is very interesting - Meyers Leonard.

The kid is actually a great shooter. Not much of defender if you ask him to anchor your defense, but if we slide him to PF next to Whiteside, they might actually work well together. While he's a 7 footer, Myles is very good 3 point shooter, and mobile enough to defend PF's. His market value might be kinda low, I'm not sure teams view him a starter.

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