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Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability

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What is Wade worth?

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Trade everyone, pay Wade
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Tell Wade to beg for the minimum, or suggest he play in China
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#61 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:24 am

Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.

I'd easily do that but we have to give away McBob for nothing I believe to offer that. So that has to happen first.

I would also give McBob away for nothing because I don't think he matters and we can find something off the scrap heaps that can contribute as much, but others might feel he's worth more.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#62 » by QUIZ » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:28 am

Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.

Sounds good to me but we can only offer that if we dump McRoberts.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#63 » by Heat3 » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:30 am

Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.


I'd prefer they just max him out for 1 year. Doesn't make sense to blow up next off season's chances at a free agent. I seriously doubt he opts out to give us cap space. Considering he's had issues with money these past two years. He opted out only because of Lebron. He won't do it again.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#64 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:35 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.


I'd prefer they just max him out for 1 year. Doesn't make sense to blow up next off season's chances at a free agent. I seriously doubt he opts out to give us cap space. Considering he's had issues with money these past two years. He opted out only because of Lebron. He won't do it again.

so we can go through this sideshow again next year?

Pay the man or let him walk. You either value him more than Kent Bazemore, or you don't. Another team will make the space
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#65 » by contract » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:36 am

Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.

If Wade were to opt out of a contract like that, the cap hold would be enormous ($37 million).
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#66 » by contract » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:38 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.


I'd prefer they just max him out for 1 year. Doesn't make sense to blow up next off season's chances at a free agent. I seriously doubt he opts out to give us cap space. Considering he's had issues with money these past two years. He opted out only because of Lebron. He won't do it again.

Lebron had nothing to do with Wade opting out. Wade opted out so Pat Riley could try to bring in more talent.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#67 » by Heat3 » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:38 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.


I'd prefer they just max him out for 1 year. Doesn't make sense to blow up next off season's chances at a free agent. I seriously doubt he opts out to give us cap space. Considering he's had issues with money these past two years. He opted out only because of Lebron. He won't do it again.

so we can go through this sideshow again next year?

Pay the man or let him walk. You either value him more than Kent Bazemore, or you don't. Another team will make the space


what side show is that? isn't the goal to make this team a championship contender?
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#68 » by Heat3 » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:40 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.


I'd prefer they just max him out for 1 year. Doesn't make sense to blow up next off season's chances at a free agent. I seriously doubt he opts out to give us cap space. Considering he's had issues with money these past two years. He opted out only because of Lebron. He won't do it again.

Lebron had nothing to do with Wade opting out. Wade opted out so Pat Riley could try to bring in more talent.


they all opted out for that. you think if wade or bosh knew lebron wasn't coming back ahead of time they would have opted out? the whole story that year was wade and bosh would take less so lebron could get the full max.
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Post#69 » by Heat3 » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:41 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.

If Wade were to opt out of a contract like that, the cap hold would be enormous ($37 million).


i believe they can renounce his rights like they did in 2010. we would lose his bird rights but that wouldn't matter much at that point.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#70 » by Flash4thewin » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:44 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.


I'd prefer they just max him out for 1 year. Doesn't make sense to blow up next off season's chances at a free agent. I seriously doubt he opts out to give us cap space. Considering he's had issues with money these past two years. He opted out only because of Lebron. He won't do it again.


If Wade has a good year he will opt out to get a deal with more years. Wade opting out gives us cap space. If Wade has a bad year he is just an expiring contract who can be traded away just on name alone. We win either way and by giving Wade the 2/50 with a players option. Not to mention we show prospective future FA we take care of our own.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#71 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:46 am

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I'd prefer they just max him out for 1 year. Doesn't make sense to blow up next off season's chances at a free agent. I seriously doubt he opts out to give us cap space. Considering he's had issues with money these past two years. He opted out only because of Lebron. He won't do it again.

so we can go through this sideshow again next year?

Pay the man or let him walk. You either value him more than Kent Bazemore, or you don't. Another team will make the space


what side show is that? isn't the goal to make this team a championship contender?


What world are you living in where this team becomes a championship contender? The Bosh situation has pretty much sealed that.

We only have a shot at becoming something close to a contender if Winslow and Richardson explode. Wade's contract won't affect a damn thing when borderline starters are making 15 million minimum
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#72 » by contract » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:46 am

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I'd prefer they just max him out for 1 year. Doesn't make sense to blow up next off season's chances at a free agent. I seriously doubt he opts out to give us cap space. Considering he's had issues with money these past two years. He opted out only because of Lebron. He won't do it again.

Lebron had nothing to do with Wade opting out. Wade opted out so Pat Riley could try to bring in more talent.


they all opted out for that. you think if wade or bosh knew lebron wasn't coming back ahead of time they would have opted out? the whole story that year was wade and bosh would take less so lebron could get the full max.

Wade and Bosh didn't need to take a paycut so Lebron could be paid more. The Heat had Lebron's bird rights.
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Post#73 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:51 am

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contract wrote:Lebron had nothing to do with Wade opting out. Wade opted out so Pat Riley could try to bring in more talent.


they all opted out for that. you think if wade or bosh knew lebron wasn't coming back ahead of time they would have opted out? the whole story that year was wade and bosh would take less so lebron could get the full max.

Wade and Bosh didn't need to take a paycut so Lebron could be paid more. The Heat had Lebron's bird rights.

Wade no longer trusts Riley, that's all there is to it.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#74 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:51 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.

If Wade were to opt out of a contract like that, the cap hold would be enormous ($37 million).

We should've just gave him a 2 year 40M last season so we could've got the number to 26M next offseason.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#75 » by Heat3 » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:52 am

Hallstar wrote:
Heat3 wrote:
Hallstar wrote:so we can go through this sideshow again next year?

Pay the man or let him walk. You either value him more than Kent Bazemore, or you don't. Another team will make the space


what side show is that? isn't the goal to make this team a championship contender?


What world are you living in where this team becomes a championship contender? The Bosh situation has pretty much sealed that.

We only have a shot at becoming something close to a contender if Winslow and Richardson explode. Wade's contract won't affect a damn thing when borderline starters are making 15 million minimum


I live in a world where we don't lockup an aging veteran for more than one year thus effectively ending our 2017 FA chances.
I have zero expectations of Bosh ever playing again. I'm expecting his contract to be off the books in time for that.
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Post#76 » by contract » Mon Jul 4, 2016 2:59 am

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Flash4thewin wrote:So when KD makes a choice and odds are its not us how does a 2/50 mil player option deal sound? That makes Wade the highest player on the team for 2 season stroking his ego. The player option makes him feel like he is in control and more likely to see him go a out and have a monster year. If Wade has another good year he opts out and we get capspace and can either resign him or use the cap space to go for 2 max free agents ( depending on the Bosh situation). Worse case its just a one year 25 mil expiring contract that can be moved as a last resort.

If Wade were to opt out of a contract like that, the cap hold would be enormous ($37 million).

We should've just gave him a 2 year 40M last season so we could've got the number to 26M next offseason.

Had things been done differently, Wade could have been paid with his salary declining annually as the cap increased.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#77 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 4, 2016 3:01 am

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what side show is that? isn't the goal to make this team a championship contender?


What world are you living in where this team becomes a championship contender? The Bosh situation has pretty much sealed that.

We only have a shot at becoming something close to a contender if Winslow and Richardson explode. Wade's contract won't affect a damn thing when borderline starters are making 15 million minimum


I live in a world where we don't lockup an aging veteran for more than one year thus effectively ending our 2017 FA chances.
I have zero expectations of Bosh ever playing again. I'm expecting his contract to be off the books in time for that.

Yeah, well Bosh has different ideas and that contract's not going anywhere.

It's always about next year, and the next random FA chase.

That aging veteran got us to game 7 of the conference semis without a front court. Another team might appreciate that.
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Re: Dwyane Wade: The Road to Respectability 

Post#78 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 4, 2016 3:20 am

I just can't wrap my mind around it, you would believe Wade was a roleplayer last year asking for his money when in reality he's the only one on the roster going in to the 2017 season you can pencil in as an allstar.

Anyway, it's now about 2017 FA, when the salaries will go even larger. I wonder who we're hoping will take a discount for us then
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Post#79 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Mon Jul 4, 2016 3:22 am

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contract wrote:If Wade were to opt out of a contract like that, the cap hold would be enormous ($37 million).

We should've just gave him a 2 year 40M last season so we could've got the number to 26M next offseason.

Had things been done differently, Wade could have been paid with his salary declining annually as the cap increased.

I honestly believe that Riley didn't think that D-Wade would still be as productive as he is now so he didn't have the foresight needed to make the right deal. Same with Whiteside.
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Post#80 » by ElDoggo » Mon Jul 4, 2016 3:23 am

Everyone left so now we can pay Wade but does Wade want to stay here and play for a young team?

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