Tyler Herro signs 4 year 130 million extension

[Wiltside]

Damn, 3ammy flipped. This is the most insane thing I’ve seen this offseason for sure.

[twix2500]

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Chrisitian is right. Lowry is getting shipped out for a big expiring like I have been saying for a while now.

Do we reroute those picks and westbrooks expiring for a major upgrade? Lillard finally has enough after he passes Drexler in scoring?

I want Lillard here. But not trying to torture myself thinking about it.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Damn, 3ammy flipped. This is the most insane thing I’ve seen this offseason for sure.

I want nothing more than to see all our players succeed, I felt he was the piece we needed to move to take that next step for a championship.

I still have major questions, specifically his horrible defense and inability to show up in the playoffs. Bettering himself in those 2 areas are the leaps I want to see; I couldn’t care less about his RS numbers at this point

[Rapaz]

Put Rat Piley in that concussion protocol.

[twix2500]

I figure Herro agent wanted a deal done before season preseason started/before an injury.

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[al bondiga]

Why so little covers on National sport Networks? Not many things are newsworthy as this for example ...they tell me Steven Adams is getting extended for 2 years

[eddieheatfan]

Why so little covers on National sport Networks? Not many things are newsworthy as this for example ...they tell me Steven Adams is getting extended for 2 years

heat doesnt get much respect after cabron's left . aside from that am happy that hero got his cash but he needs to improve his ball handling skills as defense as well


and should be only used as a spot up shooter only, the PG experiment is a failure in my opinion

[SA37]

Spoiler:

Oh no... I've got a huge smile on my face, I love this. You guys are getting exactly what you've wanted for 2 seasons vs actually try to win a championship. This is awesome, Miami couldn't find anyone to give up much for Herro so they could land KD so hand him 25-32 mil a year, it's so Miami. I haven't been this happy since Minnesota fans got their wish of maxing out Wiggins and he scored nearly 24 a game at age 21.

KD was never actually on the market so let's just get over that.

It's not so much about KD as it is about what they couldn't get for Herro to up the offer... then paid him a ton.

What a great day!

I think what you're leaving out is the lack of draft capital Miami has and how much draft capital it is costing teams to get stars or quasi stars. Look at the deals involving Gobert and Mitchell. Even with Philly dealing Simmons and Curry, they gave up 2 picks to get Harden. Bradley Beal might be the only other "star" Miami could have traded for, but he's on a $50M a year deal.

I think this is a fair contract for Herro when we consider Devin Booker is making $34M and $36M the next two years, CJ McCollum (22-5a-4r 46%-39%-68%) just signed a 2-year, $64M extension (4-years $133 total), and DeRozan is making $27M this year and $28M next year.

[contract]

Spoiler:

KD was never actually on the market so let's just get over that.

It's not so much about KD as it is about what they couldn't get for Herro to up the offer... then paid him a ton.

What a great day!

I think what you're leaving out is the lack of draft capital Miami has and how much draft capital it is costing teams to get stars or quasi stars. Look at the deals involving Gobert and Mitchell. Even with Philly dealing Simmons and Curry, they gave up 2 picks to get Harden. Bradley Beal might be the only other "star" Miami could have traded for, but he's on a $50M a year deal.

I think this is a fair contract for Herro when we consider Devin Booker is making $34M and $36M the next two years, CJ McCollum (22-5a-4r 46%-39%-68%) just signed a 2-year, $64M extension (4-years $133 total), and DeRozan is making $27M this year and $28M next year.

A fair contract for the player doesn't make it a fair contract for the team. I think this contract is more than fair to Herro and makes him a negative trade asset going forward. We're right back to hoping that some star extorts his way to Miami in exchange to some broken down trash and a couple of nearly worthless picks.

We may as well trade Jimmy and build around Herro and Bam.

[contract]

This team just committed to Herro leading the team in shot attempts again ... because if he isn't scoring > 20 pts a game, then what is he?

He got himself a stack of cash and a guaranteed 18 shots a game just by signing his name.

[SA37]

Spoiler:

It's not so much about KD as it is about what they couldn't get for Herro to up the offer... then paid him a ton.

What a great day!

I think what you're leaving out is the lack of draft capital Miami has and how much draft capital it is costing teams to get stars or quasi stars. Look at the deals involving Gobert and Mitchell. Even with Philly dealing Simmons and Curry, they gave up 2 picks to get Harden. Bradley Beal might be the only other "star" Miami could have traded for, but he's on a $50M a year deal.

I think this is a fair contract for Herro when we consider Devin Booker is making $34M and $36M the next two years, CJ McCollum (22-5a-4r 46%-39%-68%) just signed a 2-year, $64M extension (4-years $133 total), and DeRozan is making $27M this year and $28M next year.

A fair contract for the player doesn't make it a fair contract for the team. I think this contract is more than fair to Herro and makes him a negative trade asset going forward. We're right back to hoping that some star extorts his way to Miami in exchange to some broken down trash and a couple of nearly worthless picks.

We may as well trade Jimmy and build around Herro and Bam.

If I were going to complain about contracts affecting trade value, I'd definitely start with Robinson's (I was one of the only posters here who warned about giving him silly money -- and I did so for an entire year before he got his deal) or Lowry's.

You don't give a player like Herro a $130M contract based on what you think you can trade him for, but based on his production level and where that fits with the team. We've seen Gobert and his obscene $40+M deal get moved, as well as flawed guys, like John Wall, Russell Westbrook, Kristaps Porzingis, Andrew Wiggins, and CJ McCollum all get moved.

Miami needs Herro to be the 2nd option on offense and I don't think there is any question Herro can put the ball in the basket. The question is can he do it consistently. He has shown flashes of being a clutch 4th quarter scorer, which is promising since Jimmy Butler isn't really a good iso player or good at taking guys off the dribble, and this is usually what gets run down the stretch. Bam is just too passive on offense at this point, and we don't know if that will change.

I'm much more worried about not having a 4, but I guess Miami is going to run with a small ball lineup:

Bam - Dedmon - Yurt
Butler - Martin
Strus - Martin
Herro - Oladipo
Lowry - Vincent

[SA37]

Oh wait, I forgot, we're trading for Westbrick:

Bam
Butler
Strus
Herro
Westbrick

[contract]

If I were going to complain about contracts affecting trade value, I'd definitely start with Robinson's (I was one of the only posters here who warned about giving him silly money -- and I did so for an entire year before he got his deal) or Lowry's.

Done and done. I made a similar argument for not paying Duncan last offseason. A guy that looks great on a $5 mil salary can look like a disaster if you pay him significant money. Herro is a far better player than Duncan, but the problem is the same. What looked like a godsend at $5 mil is going to look like trash at $30 mil.

You don't give a player like Herro a $130M contract based on what you think you can trade him for, but based on his production level and where that fits with the team. We've seen Gobert and his obscene $40+M deal get moved, as well as flawed guys, like John Wall, Russell Westbrook, Kristaps Porzingis, Andrew Wiggins, and CJ McCollum all get moved.

I won't even try to explain the Gobert deal. I'm not smart enough to figure that one out. But how many of the rest returned good value in trade?

Miami needs Herro to be the 2nd option on offense and I don't think there is any question Herro can put the ball in the basket. The question is can he do it consistently. He has shown flashes of being a clutch 4th quarter scorer, which is promising since Jimmy Butler isn't really a good iso player or good at taking guys off the dribble, and this is usually what gets run down the stretch. Bam is just too passive on offense at this point, and we don't know if that will change.

That right there is the problem. Herro averaged more shots per game than anyone else on the team. That's why he averaged 20 ppg. If he plays 2nd fiddle to Jimmy, he's back to 16 ppg, and $30 million is a whole lot to pay for that.

Herro is a guy who hurts you on defense and has to justify his existence on offense by scoring in bunches. The less he scores, the worse he looks, so he has to take a ton of shots. The problem is that while he is a scorer, he isn't good enough at it where you want him leading your team in shot attempts.

I'm much more worried about not having a 4, but I guess Miami is going to run with a small ball lineup:

Bam - Dedmon - Yurt
Butler - Martin
Strus - Martin
Herro - Oladipo
Lowry - Vincent

I think everyone is. And I think we're going to have to make a trade soon because we won't survive playing a guard at the 4 spot. I like small ball, but I don't think it's viable to play that small.

[SA37]

You don't give a player like Herro a $130M contract based on what you think you can trade him for, but based on his production level and where that fits with the team. We've seen Gobert and his obscene $40+M deal get moved, as well as flawed guys, like John Wall, Russell Westbrook, Kristaps Porzingis, Andrew Wiggins, and CJ McCollum all get moved.

I won't even try to explain the Gobert deal. I'm not smart enough to figure that one out. But how many of the rest returned good value in trade?

McCollum trade:

Trail Blazers get forward Josh Hart, and guards Tomas Satoransky, Nickeil Alexander-Walker and Didi Louzada, as well as draft compensation in the form of a 2022 protected first-round draft choice and two future second-rounders.

Now, it was a small sample size (13 games), but Hart averaged ~20-5-4 on ~50 fg% 37 3pt% 78 ft%. He is not going to get that kind of usage with Lillard and Simons in front of him, but he is a good player. Depending on who you ask, some people are high on Nickeil-Alexander (he was traded for Joe Ingles, who I love as a player). Sato is a solid rotation player. The draft compensation isn't anything to go crazy over, but there is value there.

Wiggins and a pick went to Golden St for D'Angelo Russell (who was having a career year at the time), who to me is comparable to Goran Dragic.

Porzingis was traded for Spencer Dinwiddie and Bertans. Bertans has been awful, but Dinwiddie has been a hell of an acquisition for the Mavs.

With Westbrook...it depends on which trade you want to look at.

Westbrook was traded for Chris Paul and picks, but that was the year Westbrook won MVP.

Westbrook and Wall were traded for one another.

Westbrook was then traded to LA for KCP, Harrell, Kuzma, and #22.

The larger point here is every player was flawed, but there was value to be returned in every trade. The only player yet to show much value is Wall , although in the short stint he had with the Rockets (20 and 7 on some awful shooting in 44 games), it looks like he could be the next Reggie Jackson (17-5 on some awful shooting). It's also reminiscent of a certain Victor Oladipo, who averaged 21-5-5 on some awful shooting over 20 games for Houston in 20-21.

Herro is a guy who hurts you on defense and has to justify his existence on offense by scoring in bunches. The less he scores, the worse he looks, so he has to take a ton of shots. The problem is that while he is a scorer, he isn't good enough at it where you want him leading your team in shot attempts.

This is going to be Spoelstra's job to figure this out. Herro is probably never going to be a good defender, but that doesn't mean he needs to be sat down the stretch. IMO, it is detrimental to the team to be so anal about defense. In this league, you need to be able to score the ball. Herro is one of the few guys on the roster who can get his own shot and one of the deadliest shooters in the league.

Herro is going to have to be better at drawing fouls and getting to the line. 3.3 attempts per game needs to be 5-6. He's also going to need to show he can be the initiator on offense and get other guys easy looks. He improved on that from last year, but this is where I think he need to make the most progress.

[BadMofoPimp]

Herro gonna provem all wrong!!!

[dagger151]

We should have let Herro go to RFA and let the market determine his value. Paying him $30M a year is ludicrous! One dimensional player for that kind of money is a bad move. Who cares what the Knicks paid RJ Barrett? There has to be a trade coming. May as well get Westbrooks expiring for Lowry and Duncan. We need to keep Dipo and Strus but cant with a Herro contract like that.

This reminds me of the lame contracts given to Whiteside, JJ, and Dion. Riley needs his head examined!

[Kobewade11]

We should have let Herro go to RFA and let the market determine his value. Paying him $30M a year is ludicrous! One dimensional player for that kind of money is a bad move. Who cares what the Knicks paid RJ Barrett? There has to be a trade coming. May as well get Westbrooks expiring for Lowry and Duncan. We need to keep Dipo and Strus but cant with a Herro contract like that.

This reminds me of the lame contracts given to Whiteside, JJ, and Dion. Riley needs his head examined!

You folks comparing Herro to Whiteside, JJ, and Dion need your heads examined.

And lets cut the RFA crap. If you believe that Herro is one dimensional and that signing him to that contract is a bad move, you wouldnt feel any better about it had some other team offered the same contract and we chose to match it.

[wade44]

We should have let Herro go to RFA and let the market determine his value. Paying him $30M a year is ludicrous! One dimensional player for that kind of money is a bad move. Who cares what the Knicks paid RJ Barrett? There has to be a trade coming. May as well get Westbrooks expiring for Lowry and Duncan. We need to keep Dipo and Strus but cant with a Herro contract like that.

This reminds me of the lame contracts given to Whiteside, JJ, and Dion. Riley needs his head examined!

We’d be paying the same amount in matching him in RFA for the same amount of years. We just got it done 1 year prior to not have a dark cloud hanging over the next season

[contract]

We should have let Herro go to RFA and let the market determine his value. Paying him $30M a year is ludicrous! One dimensional player for that kind of money is a bad move. Who cares what the Knicks paid RJ Barrett? There has to be a trade coming. May as well get Westbrooks expiring for Lowry and Duncan. We need to keep Dipo and Strus but cant with a Herro contract like that.

This reminds me of the lame contracts given to Whiteside, JJ, and Dion. Riley needs his head examined!

We’d be paying the same amount in matching him in RFA for the same amount of years. We just got it done 1 year prior to not have a dark cloud hanging over the next season

We have no idea if Herro would get this offer in free agency. Restricted or otherwise.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

KD was never actually on the market so let's just get over that.

It's not so much about KD as it is about what they couldn't get for Herro to up the offer... then paid him a ton.

What a great day!

I think what you're leaving out is the lack of draft capital Miami has and how much draft capital it is costing teams to get stars or quasi stars. Look at the deals involving Gobert and Mitchell. Even with Philly dealing Simmons and Curry, they gave up 2 picks to get Harden. Bradley Beal might be the only other "star" Miami could have traded for, but he's on a $50M a year deal.

I think this is a fair contract for Herro when we consider Devin Booker is making $34M and $36M the next two years, CJ McCollum (22-5a-4r 46%-39%-68%) just signed a 2-year, $64M extension (4-years $133 total), and DeRozan is making $27M this year and $28M next year.

Herro is not anywhere near CJ or Booker nor has the track history of being as good as either of them but now his contract is near there's.