Miami heat Official off-season thread 10.0 ITS ABOUT DAME TIME, The one where we actually land Dame this time

[contract]

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause vs trust a team. If I'm a player and seen what's happened with Lillard being loyal, I'd have 0 loyalty to any team since they can just trade you wherever they want. Top players should just keep signing 1+1s or 2+1 if the team won't have Bird rights to continue to have some power in team building.

Lillard's agent should have pushed for the clause. He dropped the ball if he didn't. And if he did and the Blazers said no, then that should have set off every alarm.

Even the best players in the world don't get No trade clauses. The Beal one was Washington being beyond stupid and that was proven this off-season.

Generally ... but the Dame/Blazers relationship was supposed to be a lifetime love affair. Blazers Lifer and all that jazz.

[miamiballer]

For better or for worse this thread is where the fireworks start

[powerball1373]

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause vs trust a team. If I'm a player and seen what's happened with Lillard being loyal, I'd have 0 loyalty to any team since they can just trade you wherever they want. Top players should just keep signing 1+1s or 2+1 if the team won't have Bird rights to continue to have some power in team building.

Lillard's agent should have pushed for the clause. He dropped the ball if he didn't. And if he did and the Blazers said no, then that should have set off every alarm.

They trusted Portland to continue to build around him and they lied to him, this is the only reason he wants to leave. This is something that could really change the NBA, I would expect there will be an uptick in NTC requests.

This too is Dame's fault. Imagine trusting Portland to build a winner around you lmao. Since they have such a long track record of doing so.

[contract]

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause vs trust a team. If I'm a player and seen what's happened with Lillard being loyal, I'd have 0 loyalty to any team since they can just trade you wherever they want. Top players should just keep signing 1+1s or 2+1 if the team won't have Bird rights to continue to have some power in team building.

Lillard's agent should have pushed for the clause. He dropped the ball if he didn't. And if he did and the Blazers said no, then that should have set off every alarm.

They trusted Portland to continue to build around him and they lied to him, this is the only reason he wants to leave. This is something that could really change the NBA, I would expect there will be an uptick in NTC requests.

I've got to say, I don't buy any of this crap. This isn't a Dame thing. All players get fed the same bull. And all players swear that whoever they signed with is the team they really wanted to play for ... and they all turned down more money elsewhere to play for that team. Everybody lies. Everybody knows it. If Lillard didn't know, his agent sure as hell should have.

The truth is that Dame chased the biggest bag and now he wants to pick the team that will pay him the supermax.

[Kobewade11]

That memo is the league essentially begging someone else to step up to the plate and make an offer because they have “assurances” that Dame will show up lol.

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OP already brought Dragic?!

All my dreams are coming true. Next is B-Easy and then Dion Waiters.

[AirP.]

So... Miami gets nailed with tampering in FA for a player they were trying to trade for a few months before free agency and probably had contact with him during that trade time to find out if he'd want to stay and what it would take to keep him in Miami, now this. I do get that it's an issue that Lillard has just named one team but it's also messed up that they extended him saying they'd build around him and do the exact opposite. Any star level player should not sign a long term contract, have an out after 2 or 3 years depending on the team's ability to have Bird rights.

[CrossOver]

No... the NBA was operating the Hornets and agreed to the trade, only after enough owners bitched about it did it get veto'd.

That is incorrect.

From ESPN:

... a group of NBA owners, assembled in New York for the ratification of the league's new labor pact with the players, protested vigorously that the league-owned Hornets were trading Paul to the star-studded Lakers and convinced NBA commissioner David Stern to intervene.

https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-paul-lakers-2011-12

Stern killed the Hornets' trade of Paul after several owners complained about the league-owned team dealing the All-Star point guard to the Lakers, league sources said.

Some owners pushed Stern to nullify the trade and that the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said. A chorus of owners were irate with the belief that the five-month lockout had happened largely to stop big-market teams from leveraging small-market teams for star players pending free agency.

https://sports.yahoo.com/aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811.html

The Yahoo story was written by Adrian Wojnarowski.

Jeanie Buss has literally come out and said the issue was that Dell Demps thought he had authority to make the trade and he didn't get approval from Stern before doing it.

Owners were complaining because the deal happened when they were working to lift the lockout rules and not in any situation to negotiate a deal.

“So if you remember we were in a lockout, right? When there’s a lockout, there’s a moratorium on everything: you can’t make trades, you can’t do anything. As we were making a deal with the union and then starting to lift the lockout rules, all the representatives of the teams had to be in New York for Board of Governors meeting to ratify the new CBA. And so as we’re in this room, all of a sudden, there’s kind of this rumor that goes in around the room about a trade. Well, at that time, the team was run by the league, right? So there’s no way a trade can be happening if we’re all in this room doing league business. Except the [New Orleans] general manager of the team felt that he had the authority to make a trade. … So the trade was happening while everybody is in this room, so teams felt like ‘How is that possible? We didn’t get a chance to make a trade for Chris Paul?’ And so they all attacked the league and said this wasn’t fair.”

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-news-jeanie-buss-reveals-details-of-infamous-2011-chris-paul-trade/

[3ammy3uck3ts]

That **** is actually hilarious

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This is absurd

That can’t possibly be true. That is equal to the NBA intimidating other teams in order to make Dame to Miami happen.

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[contract]

NBA would look a lot more graceful if they just came out and just admit that they hate the Miami Heat. Between this and the Lowry tampering thing in just a 2 year span, they can’t make it any more obvious

OK. But face it, we're not that **** subtle. Going all the way back to the Zo/Howard fiasco. The story of Dame coming to Miami was floating around long before the trade demand. People just need to learn to stfu and not get ahead of the story.

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I want James Harden ARRESTED!!!!!!

[wadenation305]

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This is absurd

That can’t possibly be true. That is equal to the NBA intimidating other teams in order to make Dame to Miami happen.

The headline is so misleading lol

[AirP.]

“So if you remember we were in a lockout, right? When there’s a lockout, there’s a moratorium on everything: you can’t make trades, you can’t do anything. As we were making a deal with the union and then starting to lift the lockout rules, all the representatives of the teams had to be in New York for Board of Governors meeting to ratify the new CBA. And so as we’re in this room, all of a sudden, there’s kind of this rumor that goes in around the room about a trade. Well, at that time, the team was run by the league, right? So there’s no way a trade can be happening if we’re all in this room doing league business. Except the [New Orleans] general manager of the team felt that he had the authority to make a trade. … So the trade was happening while everybody is in this room, so teams felt like ‘How is that possible? We didn’t get a chance to make a trade for Chris Paul?’ And so they all attacked the league and said this wasn’t fair.”

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-news-jeanie-buss-reveals-details-of-infamous-2011-chris-paul-trade/

And so they all attacked the league and said this wasn’t fair.”

This is the same situation, if enough teams bitch about it not being fair with the reported tactic of only wanting to play for one team there's your veto. It's enough of a threat to be veto'd that Miami should just move on and I hope everyone will be cheering on Portland to get a late lottery pick next year. How can Miami go 2 offseasons doing nearly 0 in upgrading their roster for a deep run?

I gotta feeling Portland fans are going to turn on Lillard when they figure out they're still a below average team and Lillard's keeping them away from a high draft pick. Now... if Portland were to package Simons and Nurkic and get a good center who can protect the rim and maybe some depth, maybe they can get knocked out in the 1st round.

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Amico is an idiot. The NBA wouldn't veto a deal that POR agrees to.

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause vs trust a team. If I'm a player and seen what's happened with Lillard being loyal, I'd have 0 loyalty to any team since they can just trade you wherever they want. Top players should just keep signing 1+1s or 2+1 if the team won't have Bird rights to continue to have some power in team building.

As I recall, David Stern was able to veto the trade because he was functioning as the owner of the Hornets in that time. He didn’t do it in his capacity of commissioner. Logically it is the same thing, but practically it’s not.

[Rapaz]

We're big fans of Barry here in Portland

[CrossOver]

“So if you remember we were in a lockout, right? When there’s a lockout, there’s a moratorium on everything: you can’t make trades, you can’t do anything. As we were making a deal with the union and then starting to lift the lockout rules, all the representatives of the teams had to be in New York for Board of Governors meeting to ratify the new CBA. And so as we’re in this room, all of a sudden, there’s kind of this rumor that goes in around the room about a trade. Well, at that time, the team was run by the league, right? So there’s no way a trade can be happening if we’re all in this room doing league business. Except the [New Orleans] general manager of the team felt that he had the authority to make a trade. … So the trade was happening while everybody is in this room, so teams felt like ‘How is that possible? We didn’t get a chance to make a trade for Chris Paul?’ And so they all attacked the league and said this wasn’t fair.”

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-news-jeanie-buss-reveals-details-of-infamous-2011-chris-paul-trade/

And so they all attacked the league and said this wasn’t fair.”

This is the same situation, if enough teams bitch about it not being fair with the reported tactic of only wanting to play for one team there's your veto. It's enough of a threat to be veto'd that Miami should just move on and I hope everyone will be cheering on Portland to get a late lottery pick next year. How can Miami go 2 offseasons doing nearly 0 in upgrading their roster for a deep run?

I gotta feeling Portland fans are going to turn on Lillard when they figure out they're still a below average team and Lillard's keeping them away from a high draft pick. Now... if Portland were to package Simons and Nurkic and get a good center who can protect the rim and maybe some depth, maybe they can get knocked out in the 1st round.

They are not going to veto this deal if/when it happens. I guarantee it.

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This is absurd

That can’t possibly be true. That is equal to the NBA intimidating other teams in order to make Dame to Miami happen.

The headline is so misleading lol

You’re right. I hadn’t heard the video yet, had just read the headline and it’s actually the complete opposite of the impression the headline gives. Lol

[wade44]

NBA would look a lot more graceful if they just came out and just admit that they hate the Miami Heat. Between this and the Lowry tampering thing in just a 2 year span, they can’t make it any more obvious

OK. But face it, we're not that **** subtle. Going all the way back to the Zo/Howard fiasco. The story of Dame coming to Miami was floating around long before the trade demand. People just need to learn to stfu and not get ahead of the story.

That’s a fair point except Did we get ahead of the story with Lowry too? The problem is that the league wants to selectively enforce punitive measures only when Miami is involved