**NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0**

[twix2500]

I think there is a path to greatness for Edey if Spo can commit to build a scheme for a scoring post player.

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His problem is that he only scores in the post!
He also is a 71% FT shooter…

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He's a elite scorer in the post. Like I said Spo would have to commit scheme wise.

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[twix2500]

Collier shooting 3's :

https://www.instagram.com/draftexpress/reel/C67f_8Rt9qD/

Really not sure how come he's such a bad FT% shooter.

But if we plan on taking him we better find out, cause a guard that shoot is no bueno.

He will get better. One his strengths is getting to the free throwline.

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[lastb1ckman]

Looking at Ware vs Edey. I see 2 prospects I like a lot, but they're basically opposites.

Ware is very athletic, with good leaping ability and can slide is feet well for a mostly drop big. He has a modern game with obvious shooting potential and a good bit of skill with the ball. He's also a pretty good shot blocker with good size and length. Problem is he's weak atm, plays a bit soft, and has a history of motor issues and faltering aganist top competitors. His FT% is 63.4%.

Edey has a traditional big man game through and through. Absolutely dominate in the post, top% size and length, good touch, really strong, embraces contact, great at drawing fouls, great endurance, a surprisingly good athlete for his size, known to be a fierce competitor that enjoys proving himself. His problem is he has little evidence of being a shooter outside his 71% FT, shooting pretty well at the combine, and supposedly shooting 3s well in practice. Even if he is a great athlete for his size, he is purely a drop big in the nba and will likely struggle with switching and getting targeted by ball handlers for his whole career. There's also a mystery of how good a rim protector he is. Purdue had a good defense with him on the court, but you could obviously see him conserve himself on that end to avoid drawing fouls (which he was good at avoiding) because the team completely relied on him being out there.

I think the Heat will like Edey's mentality and intangibles more, but like Wares game more.

[twix2500]

Looking at Ware vs Edey. I see 2 prospects I like a lot, but they're basically opposites.

Ware is very athletic, with good leaping ability and can slide is feet well for a mostly drop big. He has a modern game with obvious shooting potential and a good bit of skill with the ball. He's also a pretty good shot blocker with good size and length. Problem is he's weak atm, plays a bit soft, and has a history of motor issues and faltering aganist top competitors. His FT% is 63.4%.

Edey has a traditional big man game through and through. Absolutely dominate in the post, top% size and length, good touch, really strong, embraces contact, great at drawing fouls, great endurance, a surprisingly good athlete for his size, known to be a fierce competitor that enjoys proving himself. His problem is he has little evidence of being a shooter outside his 71% FT, shooting pretty well at the combine, and supposedly shooting 3s well in practice. Even if he is a great athlete for his size, he is purely a drop big in the nba and will likely struggle with switching and getting targeted by ball handlers for his whole career. There's also a mystery of how good a rim protector he is. Purdue had a good defense with him on the court, but you could obviously see him conserve himself on that end to avoid drawing fouls (which he was good at avoiding) because the team completely relied on him being out there.

I think the Heat will like Edey's mentality and intangibles more, but like Wares game more.

I think Edey is more athletic and faster than you think.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Collier shooting 3's :

https://www.instagram.com/draftexpress/reel/C67f_8Rt9qD/

Really not sure how come he's such a bad FT% shooter.

But if we plan on taking him we better find out, cause a guard that shoot is no bueno.

He did not shoot well at the combine. Clanking some of those shots. Not sure how i feel about his shooting at all. Don’t want a mini Winslow

[Beenie]

Hard pass on attacking guards who clank FTs

[lastb1ckman]

Looking at Ware vs Edey. I see 2 prospects I like a lot, but they're basically opposites.

Ware is very athletic, with good leaping ability and can slide is feet well for a mostly drop big. He has a modern game with obvious shooting potential and a good bit of skill with the ball. He's also a pretty good shot blocker with good size and length. Problem is he's weak atm, plays a bit soft, and has a history of motor issues and faltering aganist top competitors. His FT% is 63.4%.

Edey has a traditional big man game through and through. Absolutely dominate in the post, top% size and length, good touch, really strong, embraces contact, great at drawing fouls, great endurance, a surprisingly good athlete for his size, known to be a fierce competitor that enjoys proving himself. His problem is he has little evidence of being a shooter outside his 71% FT, shooting pretty well at the combine, and supposedly shooting 3s well in practice. Even if he is a great athlete for his size, he is purely a drop big in the nba and will likely struggle with switching and getting targeted by ball handlers for his whole career. There's also a mystery of how good a rim protector he is. Purdue had a good defense with him on the court, but you could obviously see him conserve himself on that end to avoid drawing fouls (which he was good at avoiding) because the team completely relied on him being out there.

I think the Heat will like Edey's mentality and intangibles more, but like Wares game more.

I think Edey is more athletic and faster than you think.

I'm actually super optimistic about how fast and athletic he is. The man is faster than a lot of 7 footers and forwards at nearly 7'5". He might be the 2nd most athletic guy his size in the world. Only behind Wemby. He out performed Clingan and even Sarr at the combine at a lot of key drills. I just know that even if he's a great athlete for his size, at his peak i think he's more like an athletic drop center like a Gobert. Those guys always get targeted on pick and rolls and by guards on the perimeter. Even Gobert, whos the absolute peak of that type. It's the nature of the game. I don't think that's an indictment of Edey though. Most centers in the league are like this than the switch demons like Bam, AD, Time Lord etc. It's a rare but super valuable ability. We would just have to scheme around Edey properly like how we do with our other back ups. Because we all know, Love, Bryant, and Robinson are not switchy Cs. Neither was Leonard, Dedmon, or Zeller.

[lastb1ckman]

Topic is a worse shooter than Collier. Not sure why Collier gets so much negativity for his shooting when half these lottery picks can't shoot

FT percentage and form are the difference makers to me. Topic is at nearly 88% and Collier is at like 64%. 64% for a guard is bad. Especially for a guard that relies on drawing fouls so much.

Collier also has a more push shot like form and looks really stiff shooting, kinda like when a football player hoops lol.

Isaiah Collier shot 67% from the free throw and 33% from three.

Nikola Topic shot 86% from the free throw and 26% from three



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Sorry, I edited my comment to show 67%. I did look at tankathon it says FT% is 87.8% and 30.6% from 3 for Topic. Where'd you get 26%?

[lastb1ckman]

I need to look more at Yves Missi too. I've heard things about him defensively.

[lastb1ckman]

I need to look more at Yves Missi too. I've heard good things about him defensively.

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His form is nice. I just wish he attempted to shoot at all in game during his time a Purdue. Its funny though, if we could tolerate Meyers taking 10 seconds to load and fire his 1-2 threes a game at the top of the key, why not Edey? Its not like anyone outside Wemby can contest it.

[greg4012]

Collier shooting 3's :

https://www.instagram.com/draftexpress/reel/C67f_8Rt9qD/

Really not sure how come he's such a bad FT% shooter.

But if we plan on taking him we better find out, cause a guard that shoot is no bueno.

When a player has enough other high level traits and is so young, I can always give some benefit of doubt on the shooting coming around unless there is something distinctly fatal with the shooting.

It's at least encouraging that Collier was over 37% on the season on catch & shoot 3s. 40% in the midrange is encouraging, as well.

Notable athletic NBA PGs that struggled shooting in college:

- Derrick Rose - 33.7% from 3; 71% FT
- Kyle Lowry - 22.7% from 3; 63.5% FT (32% from 3 and 78% FT for college career)
- Deaaron Fox - 24.6% from 3; 73% FT
- Dejounte Murray - 28.8% from 3; 66% FT
- Jrue Holiday - 30% from 3; 72% FT
- Kemba Walker - 27% from 3; 71% FT (32% from 3 and 78% FT for college career)
- Victor Oladipo - 30% from 3; 61% FT (33.8% from 3 and 71% FT for college career)
- Russell Westbrook - 40% from 3 (0.6 attempts per game); 55% FT (35% from 3 and 68% FT for college career)
- Tyrese Maxey - 29% from 3; 85% FT
- Zach Lavine - 37.5% from 3; 69% FT
- Donovan Mitchell - 25% from 3; 75% FT (33% from 3 and 78% FT for college career)
- Marcus Smart - 29% from 3; 77% FT (30% from 3 and 75% FT for college career)
- Terry Rozier - 37% from 3; 71% FT (33% from 3 and 77% FT for college career)
- Mike Conley - 30% from 3; 69% FT
- John Wall - 32% from 3; 75% FT

Collier got looks in the paint at a higher rate than every player on the list above that I can find stats for (dating back to 2010).

I'm not expecting Collier to become a pull up sniper at any point in his career. But, I'm def willing to give the prospect the benefit of the doubt of developing his shooting to the point where he can play to his strengths and not get schemed off the floor due to being a non-shooter. And he brings real strengths to the table.

Heat's workout with Collier definitely important for gauging how to develop his shot. I really hope Collier falls to Miami.

[greg4012]

Now that I think about it, it's crazy how healthy Edey is. When has there ever been guy over 7'2" that didn’t struggle with injuries in his career? I mean guys that play high minutes. I can't think of any. Edey has no major foot injures or any of the typical big guy booeymans.

Did guys like Yao Ming and Porzingis struggle with injuries before entering the NBA? I don't recall that being the case. I remember following the draft the year Porzingis came out and the year prior when he was considering coming out. I don't recall the injury bug being an issue but he def developed a lot as a prospect in that year span.

The concern with these giants is usually wear and tear having a compounding effect over time. Not really that they're always getting hurt when they're super young--even though some, like Embiid, dealt with injuries from the jump. This is especially a consideration in the modern NBA game that requires everyone to play in compromised positions in space. The more unnatural movements the giants have to make the more they can become vulnerable to stressing body parts in unique ways resulting in freak injuries.

Edey will be a fascinating case to watch in the NBA. He's def a specimen in his own right.

[DayofMourning]

Im swinging for the fences. Make a trade and get another mid first rounder.

Draft Collier and Edey. A combined FT attempt rate of 1.3. Get to the line as much as possible. Advantage-Heat.

[twix2500]

FT percentage and form are the difference makers to me. Topic is at nearly 88% and Collier is at like 64%. 64% for a guard is bad. Especially for a guard that relies on drawing fouls so much.

Collier also has a more push shot like form and looks really stiff shooting, kinda like when a football player hoops lol.

Isaiah Collier shot 67% from the free throw and 33% from three.

Nikola Topic shot 86% from the free throw and 26% from three.



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Sorry, I edited my comment to show 67%. I did look at tankathon it says FT% is 87.8% and 30.6% from 3 for Topic. Where'd you get 26%?

Looked up his league stats this year. He shot 17 for 66 for the entire 23-24 yr. And only hit one 3 in the 2 years before.

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As opposed to Collier 27 out of 80 this year. Topic is notrocious from 3 then to add he has knee issues to deal with.

[DayofMourning]

Isaiah Collier shot 67% from the free throw and 33% from three.

Nikola Topic shot 86% from the free throw and 26% from three



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Sorry, I edited my comment to show 67%. I did look at tankathon it says FT% is 87.8% and 30.6% from 3 for Topic. Where'd you get 26%?

Looked up his league stats this year. He shot 17 for 66.

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With Topic being such a high level 2 point shooter and high level FT shooter, Id expect him to have the aptitude to increase his 3FG % eventually.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Has us selecting Tyler Kolek. Would be the ultimate Heat pick that everyone gets all pissed off about then you realize how good a player he actually is. Near 40% 3 point shooter and 85% from the line. He probably killed his workout here.

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