Miami Heat Off-season Thread Vol. 5 - The One Where We Do Something

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This offseason will be the one remembered as the one where we didnt trade senior citizen Jimmy for Reed, Jabari and Flagg. Bill Simmons gonna write a book about it.

And Bam and Herro for Hou’s #3, plus 3 additional picks, plus Sengun, Green and Brooks.

If Ware is the future starting C and Jaquez is a future starting wing, Jimmy n Bam are already replaced. Should be advocating for Moving Bam too.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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PAT WAKE THE FUXK UP!!!!!!

[Beenie]

This offseason will be the one remembered as the one where we didnt trade senior citizen Jimmy for Reed, Jabari and Flagg. Bill Simmons gonna write a book about it.

And Bam and Herro for Hou’s #3, plus 3 additional picks, plus Sengun, Green and Brooks.

If Ware is the future starting C and Jaquez is a future starting wing, Jimmy n Bam are already replaced. Should be advocating for Moving Bam too.

When Jimmy goes, Bam goes.

If the fan base is serious about rebuilding, they should be on board with this agenda.

Bams in his prime now. Maximize his value and get a Gobert/ Bridges return, maybe even more while you can.

Let him go be the missing piece on a team that’s actually serious about contending instead of wasting away with a bunch of inexperienced kids.

Because Ware, Bam, Jovic, and Jacquez ain’t getting out of the first round even they can somehow manage to get into the post season

[AirP.]

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Wow, but Jimmy wants 4/$240M

Brunson took the max; he could have waited a year to get a lot more but didn't want to risk a major injury with him about to turn 28. If he were to lose some of his quickness he's done as a high level player.

Think of it this way, if he were to tear his ACL in his age 28 season, he's done till 29, probably will take another season to get back to where he should be, now he's age 30 as a small guard, I'm not sure you give a guy like that big money. Kinda like the Isiah Thomas situation with Boston although he's way smaller than Brunson.

99.9% of players aren’t doing what he did, hate the Knicks and don’t particularly care for Brunson but this definitely got my respect

99.9% of players aren't smallish PGs who are nearing 30 and attack the basket a lot. After seeing how much money Isiah Thomas (although 4-5 inches shorter) lost, maybe giving up money for security was worth it to him? Bigger players don't have to worry as much as a smallish quick guard nearing 30 to lose just a little bit of quickness, just enough to no longer get where they need to, to get their shots off cleanly. Outside smallish shooting guards it's not nearly an issue, the guys who attack the basket, it's an issue. It's why Curry and Lillard will be able to go deep into their 30s and stay in the NBA if they want to.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Brunson took the max; he could have waited a year to get a lot more but didn't want to risk a major injury with him about to turn 28. If he were to lose some of his quickness he's done as a high level player.

Think of it this way, if he were to tear his ACL in his age 28 season, he's done till 29, probably will take another season to get back to where he should be, now he's age 30 as a small guard, I'm not sure you give a guy like that big money. Kinda like the Isiah Thomas situation with Boston although he's way smaller than Brunson.

99.9% of players aren’t doing what he did, hate the Knicks and don’t particularly care for Brunson but this definitely got my respect

99.9% of players aren't smallish PGs who are nearing 30 and attack the basket a lot. After seeing how much money Isiah Thomas (although 4-5 inches shorter) lost, maybe giving up money for security was worth it to him? Bigger players don't have to worry as much as a smallish quick guard nearing 30 to lose just a little bit of quickness, just enough to no longer get where they need to, to get their shots off cleanly. Outside smallish shooting guards it's not nearly an issue, the guys who attack the basket, it's an issue. It's why Curry and Lillard will be able to go deep into their 30s and stay in the NBA if they want to.

He was getting a a massive contract next summer regardless of how some want to try and spin it, he elected to take over $100M less to help the team and now it’s rumored Mikal is looking to do the same. Again, fuxk the Knicks Brunson and Mikal but you gotta respect it

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And Bam and Herro for Hou’s #3, plus 3 additional picks, plus Sengun, Green and Brooks.

If Ware is the future starting C and Jaquez is a future starting wing, Jimmy n Bam are already replaced. Should be advocating for Moving Bam too.

When Jimmy goes, Bam goes.

If the fan base is serious about rebuilding, they should be on board with this agenda.

Bams in his prime now. Maximize his value and get a Gobert/ Bridges return, maybe even more while you can.

Let him go be the missing piece on a team that’s actually serious about contending instead of wasting away with a bunch of inexperienced kids.

Because Ware, Bam, Jovic, and Jacquez ain’t getting out of the first round even they can somehow manage to get into the post season

That’s VERY short sighted

And ignoring the fact they’ll have loads of cap space, if Ware and JJJ are good enough to be bam and Jimmy replacements why wouldn’t they make the playoffs?

[AirP.]

99.9% of players aren’t doing what he did, hate the Knicks and don’t particularly care for Brunson but this definitely got my respect

99.9% of players aren't smallish PGs who are nearing 30 and attack the basket a lot. After seeing how much money Isiah Thomas (although 4-5 inches shorter) lost, maybe giving up money for security was worth it to him? Bigger players don't have to worry as much as a smallish quick guard nearing 30 to lose just a little bit of quickness, just enough to no longer get where they need to, to get their shots off cleanly. Outside smallish shooting guards it's not nearly an issue, the guys who attack the basket, it's an issue. It's why Curry and Lillard will be able to go deep into their 30s and stay in the NBA if they want to.

He was getting a a massive contract next summer regardless of how some want to try and spin it, he elected to take over $100M less to help the team and now it’s rumored Mikal is looking to do the same. Again, fuxk the Knicks Brunson and Mikal but you gotta respect it

That's what people thought about Isaiah Thomas.

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[Beenie]

When Jimmy goes, Bam goes.

If the fan base is serious about rebuilding, they should be on board with this agenda.

Bams in his prime now. Maximize his value and get a Gobert/ Bridges return, maybe even more while you can.

Let him go be the missing piece on a team that’s actually serious about contending instead of wasting away with a bunch of inexperienced kids.

Because Ware, Bam, Jovic, and Jacquez ain’t getting out of the first round even they can somehow manage to get into the post season

That’s VERY short sighted

And ignoring the fact they’ll have loads of cap space, if Ware and JJJ are good enough to be bam and Jimmy replacements why wouldn’t they make the playoffs?

The loads of cap space is merely a projection. Niko can extend after the season and who knows what his number will be. Jacquez can extend in two seasons and him getting a max extension is a possibility.

Even if Mia can finagle the books to keep things clear, there’s no guarantee a superstar will become a UFA and then sign with Mia.

All the while, Bam’s prime years will be relegated to playing low stakes games with young inexperienced players

Regarding Jacquez and Ware, they are years away from entering their prime years, in Ware’s case several years sway. They represent the long sighted view of the future as they are on completely different timelines to Bam.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

99.9% of players aren't smallish PGs who are nearing 30 and attack the basket a lot. After seeing how much money Isiah Thomas (although 4-5 inches shorter) lost, maybe giving up money for security was worth it to him? Bigger players don't have to worry as much as a smallish quick guard nearing 30 to lose just a little bit of quickness, just enough to no longer get where they need to, to get their shots off cleanly. Outside smallish shooting guards it's not nearly an issue, the guys who attack the basket, it's an issue. It's why Curry and Lillard will be able to go deep into their 30s and stay in the NBA if they want to.

He was getting a a massive contract next summer regardless of how some want to try and spin it, he elected to take over $100M less to help the team and now it’s rumored Mikal is looking to do the same. Again, fuxk the Knicks Brunson and Mikal but you gotta respect it

That's what people thought about Isaiah Thomas.

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Thomas was the worst defender in the league with a known massive hip issue that got him shipped off and Brunson is massive compared to IT which is saying a lot lol

Like I said, no matter how you try to spin it he did the Knicks a massive solid to try and win a championship while Jimmy is more worried about the money despite being 7 years older

[3ammy3uck3ts]

When Jimmy goes, Bam goes.

If the fan base is serious about rebuilding, they should be on board with this agenda.

Bams in his prime now. Maximize his value and get a Gobert/ Bridges return, maybe even more while you can.

Let him go be the missing piece on a team that’s actually serious about contending instead of wasting away with a bunch of inexperienced kids.

Because Ware, Bam, Jovic, and Jacquez ain’t getting out of the first round even they can somehow manage to get into the post season

That’s VERY short sighted

And ignoring the fact they’ll have loads of cap space, if Ware and JJJ are good enough to be bam and Jimmy replacements why wouldn’t they make the playoffs?

The loads of cap space is merely a projection. Niko can extend after the season and who knows what his number will be. Jacquez can extend in two seasons and him getting a max extension is a possibility.

Even if Mia can finagle the books to keep things clear, there’s no guarantee a superstar will become a UFA and then sign with Mia.

All the while, Bam’s prime years will be relegated to playing low stakes games with young inexperienced players

Regarding Jacquez and Ware, they are years away from entering their prime years, in Ware’s case several years sway. They represent the long sighted view of the future as they are on completely different timelines to Bam.

Nikos getting a bargain deal I’d say, Jaime who knows. It’s all projections, we could sign another star and trade all those guys for a 3rd and build a big 3 for all we know.

Idk why we’re acting like the time is ticking on Bam like he’s got 1-2 years left, he’s just now entering his prime and still adding to this game, he’s going to be elite for several more years, if any of those guys turn out to be serious contributors then great. Longevity will be prolonged in this less physical 3 ball league

[AirP.]

He was getting a a massive contract next summer regardless of how some want to try and spin it, he elected to take over $100M less to help the team and now it’s rumored Mikal is looking to do the same. Again, fuxk the Knicks Brunson and Mikal but you gotta respect it

That's what people thought about Isaiah Thomas.

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Thomas was the worst defender in the league with a known massive hip issue that got him shipped off and Brunson is massive compared to IT which is saying a lot lol

Like I said, no matter how you try to spin it he did the Knicks a massive solid to try and win a championship while Jimmy is more worried about the money despite being 7 years older

I'm not saying what he did didn't help the Knicks but I think it's a little naive to think he didn't think about a possible injury ruining himself at a lot of money, if he were just 26 that's one thing, but he'll be 28 at the start of next season, 1 year of rehab from a major injury and then 1 year to get back to possible tip top shape puts him past 30 and that could have cost him more money than he possibly gave up.

I'd also like to toss in that Randle will be back, they added Bridges, they'll have a full season of OG so I'm expecting Brunson's shots per game to drop from the nearly 22 he got a game this year to somewhere around 17-18 and with that, less PPG and looking less likely a max guy. He was in a great situation last year, he probably won't ever get close to having that big of a role again.

It'll be very interesting to see how far he drops in the player rankings with the national media just because he won't get as many shots per game, it's crazy to me how much they emphases PPG over everything else, absolutely horrible defender, doesn't matter!

[AirP.]

Does anyone see a trainwreck coming from a mile away with the current roster? I'm talking about who's getting shots and who will be vocal about not getting enough shots. Butler in a contract year, Bam becoming better offensive, Herro putting up posts about 26 ppg, Rozier being an offensive combo guard, Jaquez Jr looking like he may need more shots and Jovic having the ability to do more.

[RexBoyWonder]

Does anyone see a trainwreck coming from a mile away with the current roster? I'm talking about who's getting shots and who will be vocal about not getting enough shots. Butler in a contract year, Bam becoming better offensive, Herro putting up posts about 26 ppg, Rozier being an offensive combo guard, Jaquez Jr looking like he may need more shots and Jovic having the ability to do more.

I see the opposite happening.

We've got a bunch of 3rd offensive options and no true leading scorers.

A bunch of guys capable of scoring 12-18 a night, and no one capable of consistently getting 28.

Offense will be ugly. But Maybe defense can be better with Ware/K.Johnson/Larsson joining.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Does anyone see a trainwreck coming from a mile away with the current roster? I'm talking about who's getting shots and who will be vocal about not getting enough shots. Butler in a contract year, Bam becoming better offensive, Herro putting up posts about 26 ppg, Rozier being an offensive combo guard, Jaquez Jr looking like he may need more shots and Jovic having the ability to do more.

I think as long as everyone has the homer goggles off the only people that don’t see a train wreck coming are the front office. Unless we have an unbelievable stroke of health we’re destined for the play in again. Unless there’s some big hierarchy changes coming we don’t see like Herro being knocked down a few pegs.

That 26 PPG post was from last summer, he’s probably thinking 30 PPG now

[Bishop45]

I can see this team being better than we expect with help luck, but the need of luck makes it not likely

[contract]

Can we sign anyone for minimum?

Could run it back with Achiuwa as an extra PF. Or perhaps sign Fultz as backup 1.

Not now, if they sign anyone it would put them into the 2nd apron, they once again have to wait until late in the season to add someone to a prorated salary. It's weird how his happens all the time isn't it?

Why would we even need to sign anyone? We've got Bam and Ware and Love and Bryant, and Jovic should be back in plenty of time for the season. Plus we have several other guys that can play minutes there in a pinch. Did someone else get hurt and I missed it?

We need more talent, not more bodies.

[contract]

99.9% of players aren’t doing what he did, hate the Knicks and don’t particularly care for Brunson but this definitely got my respect

99.9% of players aren't smallish PGs who are nearing 30 and attack the basket a lot. After seeing how much money Isiah Thomas (although 4-5 inches shorter) lost, maybe giving up money for security was worth it to him? Bigger players don't have to worry as much as a smallish quick guard nearing 30 to lose just a little bit of quickness, just enough to no longer get where they need to, to get their shots off cleanly. Outside smallish shooting guards it's not nearly an issue, the guys who attack the basket, it's an issue. It's why Curry and Lillard will be able to go deep into their 30s and stay in the NBA if they want to.

He was getting a a massive contract next summer regardless of how some want to try and spin it, he elected to take over $100M less to help the team and now it’s rumored Mikal is looking to do the same. Again, fuxk the Knicks Brunson and Mikal but you gotta respect it

If he wanted to help the team he would have picked up his player option for $25 million next season. He took the most money available to him today because he didn't want to risk tomorrow. The "pay cut" thing is PR bull the same way that Lillard's "loyalty" story was PR bull.

[insfo]

99.9% of players aren't smallish PGs who are nearing 30 and attack the basket a lot. After seeing how much money Isiah Thomas (although 4-5 inches shorter) lost, maybe giving up money for security was worth it to him? Bigger players don't have to worry as much as a smallish quick guard nearing 30 to lose just a little bit of quickness, just enough to no longer get where they need to, to get their shots off cleanly. Outside smallish shooting guards it's not nearly an issue, the guys who attack the basket, it's an issue. It's why Curry and Lillard will be able to go deep into their 30s and stay in the NBA if they want to.

He was getting a a massive contract next summer regardless of how some want to try and spin it, he elected to take over $100M less to help the team and now it’s rumored Mikal is looking to do the same. Again, fuxk the Knicks Brunson and Mikal but you gotta respect it

If he wanted to help the team he would have picked up his player option for $25 million next season. He took the most money available to him today because he didn't want to risk tomorrow. The "pay cut" thing is PR bull the same way that Lillard's "loyalty" story was PR bull.

Exactly! Plus he will make the difference and more on his next contract which will be a max too

[greg4012]

Jovic news is a bummer. This was an important offseason for him. He needs to kick the injury trend.