.... i have to admit i wanna see how that works out.
carter to ny...curry to miami....williams and davis to NJ coming soon.
Curry an option for Miami?
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talk of this deal has been reported by quite a few sources now...it looks like it has legs...Bucher was on coast to coast reporting it, now Chris Sheridan...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... ets-080219
I may be in the minority, but I like the deal for us. Curry is capable of producing better then Shaq did for all of this year and most of last season. 16-7 from your center is not bad. Defense may be bad, passing may be bad(if you are doomed because your center cant pass you had no chance to begin with), but he can at least draw attention in the low post.
folks need to realize we cant really turn our expiring contracts into one big star, we would be approaching the salary cap with someone like JO added to Marion and Wade, how do we fill out our roster?
we also NEED to use these expiring contracts to fill out our roster with some veteran help (see Wade's comments)...its apparent we need to add more then one player to fill more then one hole.
I think taking a chance on a 25 year old center that averaged almost 20ppg just last year is worth it, what do we expect for JWill and Ricky Davis, lets be honest people. just because these guys are Knicks doesnt mean they cant be winners surrounding Wade and Marion.
if we can turn our expirings into something better then GREAT, but ECurry is better then doing nothing and not utilizing JWill and Davis' contracts.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... ets-080219
Another source said there had been preliminary discussions on a three-way trade that would include, among other things, Carter going to the New York Knicks, Eddy Curry to Miami and the expiring contracts of Jason Williams and Ricky Davis to New Jersey.
I may be in the minority, but I like the deal for us. Curry is capable of producing better then Shaq did for all of this year and most of last season. 16-7 from your center is not bad. Defense may be bad, passing may be bad(if you are doomed because your center cant pass you had no chance to begin with), but he can at least draw attention in the low post.
folks need to realize we cant really turn our expiring contracts into one big star, we would be approaching the salary cap with someone like JO added to Marion and Wade, how do we fill out our roster?
we also NEED to use these expiring contracts to fill out our roster with some veteran help (see Wade's comments)...its apparent we need to add more then one player to fill more then one hole.
I think taking a chance on a 25 year old center that averaged almost 20ppg just last year is worth it, what do we expect for JWill and Ricky Davis, lets be honest people. just because these guys are Knicks doesnt mean they cant be winners surrounding Wade and Marion.
if we can turn our expirings into something better then GREAT, but ECurry is better then doing nothing and not utilizing JWill and Davis' contracts.
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miamiballer wrote:i like the trade in the trade board
miami gets: fred jones (exp), nachbar (exp) and eddy curry
NY gets: Vince carter
NJ gets: j will, ricky davis, NY lotto protected 1st
curry/blount
haslem
marion/wright
wade/cook
bayless/banks
I would hope even isiah is smarter than that. Curry, fred jones, and protected 1st for wince harder, aka jamal crawford v1.05?
meanwhile MIA essentially trades davis for curry. crap centers>>crap shooting guards
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miamiballer wrote:i like the trade in the trade board
miami gets: fred jones (exp), nachbar (exp) and eddy curry
NY gets: Vince carter
NJ gets: j will, ricky davis, NY lotto protected 1st
curry/blount
haslem
marion/wright
wade/cook
bayless/banks
As much as I dislike Eddy Curry and the Knicks, they don't need to give up a pick to get rid of Curry if they are taking on Vince Carter. In fact NJ should be giving up the pick because they are getting expirings for Vince (huge contract), we should get the pick because we are taking on crap, and Knicks are exchanging contract for contract.
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miamiballer wrote:i like the trade in the trade board
miami gets: fred jones (exp), nachbar (exp) and eddy curry
NY gets: Vince carter
NJ gets: j will, ricky davis, NY lotto protected 1st
curry/blount
haslem
marion/wright
wade/cook
bayless/banks
Why the heck will we let the Nets get Derrick Rose or Michael Beasley and have to play that stud 4 times a year for a long, long time.
Dolan wont let Rose or Beasley lead the Nets to Brooklyn and steal money from him.
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Clincher wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Dolan wont let Rose or Beasley lead the Nets to Brooklyn and steal money from him.
You expect Rose and Beasley to not go in the first 14 picks?
Curry Will Thrive In Miami
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Curry Will Thrive In Miami
Coming from a knick fan who has dealt with Curry the past 3 years, Miami is the place where he will pick up on the breakout season he had last yr. The '06-'07 season saw Curry average 19.5 ppg and 7.0 rpg, not superstar stats by any means but in a league with a watered down center position they warrant all-star consideration. Curry's problem has never been ability, it's simply motivation, and how he's coached. He tends to need a coach to baby him, and he needs to feel important to the team no matter how gay that sounds.. He's had games where he's gone off for 42 and 13 rebounds, and other outings with literally 2 points and 0 rebounds. He no longer wants to be in NY, doesn't get along with Zach Randolph, and has basically given up just as Isiah Thomas has given up on him. There was a lot of pressure in NY because of how much we gave up to bring him here, and he couldn't handle the heat. Under Riley, and a leader like D-Wade you'll get him to produce. The rumor at this point is J-Will for Curry, I think we both win in this situation... If you guys get him, good luck, he'll do well for the heat.
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MartyConlonJr wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You expect Rose and Beasley to not go in the first 14 picks?
My fault, its lotto protected? Ehh even then though, we still owe a pick to PHI before 2010 so I dont know man.
I just want Curry out of town. Cant stand this guy.......Ill take whatever, and if its Smush/Blount go ahead.
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Smack86 wrote:all i wanna is, how will this affect the heat's chances of going after a top free agent next year?....if they let marion opt out will they still be able to go after elton brand now that curry will be there?
No, we have $36 million in contracts if Marion opts out. We will have a draft pick worth about $3.5 million as well, also we have to pay a cap hold for each player up to 11 that aren't on our roster to reach 11 players (800k each).
$36 mill (Wade, Blount, Haslem, Cook, Parker, Banks)
$3.5 mill (draft pick)
$3.2 mill(cap hold 4 x 800k)
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Total $42.7 mill
The salary cap is going to be approximately $58 mill, so we'd have 15.3 mill to sign Brand. We'd have to renounce Dorell to get close to max space ($15.649 last year). So even without adding ANY SALARY and renouncing Dorell we can't quite get max space for Brand.
Add Eddy Curry's 9.6 mill to the equation and you'd need to try and sign Elton Brand to a 5.7 mill contract (basically the MLE)
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Get real. Pat Riley is not trading for Curry, let alone making any trade with the dreadful Knicks. Miami already has Mark Blount who is averaging 15 ppg and 5.5 rpg as a starter. Curry is averaging 13.5 ppg and 4.5 rpg.
Plus the rumor was started by Sam Smith, who is a proven liar.
Miami didn't trade away Shaq to just start taking a bunch of risks on crap players like Eddy Freaking Curry. Sorry New York, but you are stuck with him. You have not one good player outside of that University of Florida guy (Lee?). Please stop trying to spread your problems to us. We are, thankfully, smarter than that.
As I said before, Blount is doing better than Curry and has a contract that is one year shorter and $11+ million cheaper. Blount is better than Curry in every foreseeable way. Even if terms of their styles, Blount (more finesse) is a much better fit with the Heat than Curry (more power). The center, although it is my favorite position, is a dying position. Shaq and Mourning are the only two true centers left*, and you can count how many seasons they have left on one hand.
You see, there's a difference between Pre-2006 (Shaq's last prime season) and Post-2006 (no centers left*). The 2006 playoffs was the last time we saw a true center* show consistent flashes of his prime (Shaq).
Just because Riley is regarded as someone who always made sure to have one of the great centers for whichever team he was coaching in whatever era he was coaching in, doesn't mean that holds true anymore. By trading Shaq for Marion, a 6'7 rebounding PF, that epitomizes the direction the NBA is heading in and it proves Riley is adapting.
*Note: Yes, Ming is, I suppose a center. And now we have Greg Oden coming in. Even if the bodies are there, the game has changed, and so has the position. Since about 2002 or so, rule changes and overarching changes in style have made the center position one that is almost impossible to have a player playing there who can lead a team or be a difference maker. The direction I think it is going in will be centers as role players. Marcus Camby, who as far as I remember was power forward in the 90s, is the epitome of a 21st century center: A glorified role player who rebounds, blocks a couple shots (if they are lucky), and has to defend the other team's star PF so the star PF of his team doesn't have to. He doesn't really have a star PF, but despite being a C now, he guards the other team's star PF usually. Also, notice how Yao Ming, despite being regarded as the best center, can't seem to escape the first round. Shouldn't being the best center (by far) at least get you to the conference finals? I'm interested to see how Oden does. I do not have high hopes unless he adjusts his game to the NBA pretty drastically.
PS- Why the hell did the Knicks beat us in 1999? That was supposed to be our year. Imagine PJ Brown and Zo, at the peaks of their primes, going against Robinson and Duncan. Damn that would have been fun and we could have given them a much better run for their money than the Knicks.
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Plus the rumor was started by Sam Smith, who is a proven liar.
Miami didn't trade away Shaq to just start taking a bunch of risks on crap players like Eddy Freaking Curry. Sorry New York, but you are stuck with him. You have not one good player outside of that University of Florida guy (Lee?). Please stop trying to spread your problems to us. We are, thankfully, smarter than that.
As I said before, Blount is doing better than Curry and has a contract that is one year shorter and $11+ million cheaper. Blount is better than Curry in every foreseeable way. Even if terms of their styles, Blount (more finesse) is a much better fit with the Heat than Curry (more power). The center, although it is my favorite position, is a dying position. Shaq and Mourning are the only two true centers left*, and you can count how many seasons they have left on one hand.
You see, there's a difference between Pre-2006 (Shaq's last prime season) and Post-2006 (no centers left*). The 2006 playoffs was the last time we saw a true center* show consistent flashes of his prime (Shaq).
Just because Riley is regarded as someone who always made sure to have one of the great centers for whichever team he was coaching in whatever era he was coaching in, doesn't mean that holds true anymore. By trading Shaq for Marion, a 6'7 rebounding PF, that epitomizes the direction the NBA is heading in and it proves Riley is adapting.
*Note: Yes, Ming is, I suppose a center. And now we have Greg Oden coming in. Even if the bodies are there, the game has changed, and so has the position. Since about 2002 or so, rule changes and overarching changes in style have made the center position one that is almost impossible to have a player playing there who can lead a team or be a difference maker. The direction I think it is going in will be centers as role players. Marcus Camby, who as far as I remember was power forward in the 90s, is the epitome of a 21st century center: A glorified role player who rebounds, blocks a couple shots (if they are lucky), and has to defend the other team's star PF so the star PF of his team doesn't have to. He doesn't really have a star PF, but despite being a C now, he guards the other team's star PF usually. Also, notice how Yao Ming, despite being regarded as the best center, can't seem to escape the first round. Shouldn't being the best center (by far) at least get you to the conference finals? I'm interested to see how Oden does. I do not have high hopes unless he adjusts his game to the NBA pretty drastically.
PS- Why the hell did the Knicks beat us in 1999? That was supposed to be our year. Imagine PJ Brown and Zo, at the peaks of their primes, going against Robinson and Duncan. Damn that would have been fun and we could have given them a much better run for their money than the Knicks.
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PS, I think the ideal center for this team would be Stromile Swift. I have always thought so. I always have wanted to Heat to trade for Swift and Mike Miller. Would these two guys, motivated, not be perfect around Wade? Swift and run the floor, leap, oop Wade's olleys, put back Wade misses, dunk, block shots. Miller can shoot and defend and do a bit of many other things too.