Andrew Bynum

insfo · Post #601 » by **insfo** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 10:18 pm

He's officially a FA now?

AlexCRO · Post #602 » by **AlexCRO** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 10:24 pm

insfo wrote:He's officially a FA now?

yes he is, noone claimed him of waivers, as of 5 pm he is a free agent

Post #603 » by **KingDavid** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:22 pm

heater4life wrote:
Slot Machine wrote:
heater4life wrote:Like I said, at the minimum the Heat may deem he is work the risk. Beyond being a big body he is not a fit for the Heat. As another poster noted, guys like dampier, pittman, curry didnt fit the bill because of their lack of mobility, not size.

No, they didn't fit the bill because they suck. Why don't you tell everybody about their illustrious careers post-Miami?

If were going that route, then explain to me why Joel Anthony was a starter for the Miami Heat? Must be because of his unlimited ceiling and all star potential.

He used to be a mildly serviceable center that was pretty good at getting blocks and dunks...But iirc that was 2008. He's no longer that guy any more. There was no one else for us to sign that we could afford when we acquired the big 3 so we just stuck with the guy that knew our defensive philosophies. Every center we've had since Shaq has sucked major ass. Big Cat was fun though.

Big NBA Fan · Post #604 » by **Big NBA Fan** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:31 pm

Shaq also sucked after 2006. I get that Bynum is a talented player, but why another player with major attitude problems just like Shaq?

It seems that ever since Shaq's disruptive behavior caused him to get traded, the Heat have understandably put an emphasis on getting high-character players...Bynum is not a high-character guy.

I would understand if his character issues scare off Riley after what happened with Shaq.

puppa bear · Post #605 » by **puppa bear** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:37 pm

Riley has bet on talent before (see Beasley, R. Davis), and potential (see Oden, Curry). For me, if he's willing to take the vet min to come here, that's a sacrifice, and a good first step towards the core of this team's principles. Yes, we would have to play a Bynum-defended pick-n-roll differently, have him drop-back, but we've showed against Pacers that Spo is willing to make that adjustment if required.

Post #606 » by **KingDavid** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:39 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
AlexCRO wrote:
BFRESH44 wrote:

So thats it

Not really disappointed because of the fit issues. I will be more disappointed if we can't get Hawes or Okafor by the trade deadline. I like both more then Bynum for this team.

Do you have any idea what a herniated disc means for a 31 year old center that has played nine years in the NBA?

twix2500 · Post #607 » by **twix2500** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:40 pm

Yo Bynum has Character issues, Doesnt work hard to be inshape, and bad knees.... Compare to the two projects we already have, Oden just has knees problems, and Beasley only had a drug problem. You never worried about these guys being in shape, you never worried about these guys getting along with coaches and teammates. If you have the commitment then Riley will guide you, Bynum has no commitment and health issues.

Post #608 » by **KingDavid** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:43 pm

Big NBA Fan wrote:Shaq also sucked after 2006. I get that Bynum is a talented player, but why another player with major attitude problems just like Shaq?

It seems that ever since Shaq's disruptive behavior caused him to get traded, the Heat have understandably put an emphasis on getting high-character players...Bynum is not a high-character guy.

I would understand if his character issues scare off Riley after what happened with Shaq.

No he didn't. He was playing hurt. Then Wade got hurt and Shaq wanted out. So he started behaving like a jackass. Same thing here with Bynum.

For the minimum, I don't care. For the MMLE, I still don't care. Cutting JJ or Mason, I really don't care. If it works out for us, great. If it doesn't, we cut him. I'm not worried about any attitude problems. This isn't some child's locker room.

Post #609 » by **KingDavid** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:46 pm

twix2500 wrote:Yo Bynum has Character issues, Doesnt work hard to be inshape, and bad knees.... Compare to the two projects we already have, Oden just has knees problems, and Beasley only had a drug problem. You never worried about these guys being in shape, you never worried about these guys getting along with coaches and teammates. If you have the commitment then Riley will guide you, Bynum has no commitment and health issues.

We'll see. There's reports that state the opposite of the stuff you just posted. I don't care either way. It just means we cut him if it doesn't work out.

Big NBA Fan · Post #610 » by **Big NBA Fan** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:51 pm

What exactly did Shaq accomplish post-2006?

Missed half of the 2007 season and only averaged 17/7.

Was the worst player in the NBA during his final season with the team and then eventually forced his way out.

Only averaged 14/8 that year and then eventually shut it down and refused to play anymore.

And I, for one, don't believe him when he claims he never wanted to leave and his claim that Riley kicked him off the team.

Shaq was traded because he demanded to be traded. End of story.

I'm sure he regrets it, though.

heatlespeatles · Post #611 » by **heatlespeatles** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:05 am

Bynum isn't a risk because we would be getting him for next to nothing. - Let me know which other good center you can get for next to nothing? I'll wait.

Post #612 » by **KingDavid** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:17 am

Big NBA Fan wrote:What exactly did Shaq accomplish post-2006?

Missed half of the 2007 season and only averaged 17/7.

Was the worst player in the NBA during his final season with the team and then eventually forced his way out.

Only averaged 14/8 that year and then eventually shut it down and refused to play anymore.

And I, for one, don't believe him when he claims he never wanted to leave and his claim that Riley kicked him off the team.

Shaq was traded because he demanded to be traded. End of story.

I'm sure he regrets it, though.

An unmotivated star not playing with any heart is self-explanatory. Shaq wanted out It was as clear as day. He gave up when Wade got hurt for good. You look too far into numbers. I saw a Shaq that was hurt and did not want to play basketball night in, night out anymore because there wasn't a point. This is exactly what I see in Bynum. He's unmotivated. Put him on a contender where he can be a focal point and he'll suddenly find his love for bball and be a great center again. Put him on these sorry ass teams like Philly and CLE and he's not going to care enough to improve. I'm willing to see where this goes though. Could be interesting.

Jaxon · Post #613 » by **Jaxon** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:20 am

If they don't go after Bynum, that probably says a lot about what they think of the Oden situation.

MisterHibachi · Post #614 » by **MisterHibachi** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:23 am

^Exactly. RexBoyWonder I think pointed it out earlier in this thread. Sign Bynum or don't sign him, either way its a good sign. Sign him, we get a big body who's already played this year to body Hibbert. Don't sign Bynum = good sign regarding Oden's progress.

AlexCRO · Post #615 » by **AlexCRO** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:32 am

CONFIRMED :

Andrew Bynum has cleared waivers and can now sign with any team the league informed NBA excecs

RexBoyWonder · Post #616 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:47 am

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twix2500 · Post #617 » by **twix2500** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:02 am

KingDavid wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Yo Bynum has Character issues, Doesnt work hard to be in shape, and bad knees.... Compare to the two projects we already have, Oden just has knees problems, and Beasley only had a drug problem. You never worried about these guys being in shape, you never worried about these guys getting along with coaches and teammates. If you have the commitment then Riley will guide you, Bynum has no commitment and health issues.
We'll see. There's reports that state the opposite of the stuff you just posted. I don't care either way. It just means we cut him if it doesn't work out.

Reports? The proof is visually on the court. He is currently out of shape to add to his knee problems. He has disregarded coaches and went renegade without the intention of winning on the court with great coaches like Phil Jackson.

Spo/Riley has a mandate for all his players to be in a certain physical shape or they will not play. You think he will make the demand on all his players and make the exception for Bynum. Bynum has not proven himself worth of such respect. Bynum physical condition would not meet the Heat requirements to get any playing time on the court.

heatlespeatles · Post #618 » by **heatlespeatles** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:10 am

twix2500 wrote:
KingDavid wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Yo Bynum has Character issues, Doesnt work hard to be in shape, and bad knees.... Compare to the two projects we already have, Oden just has knees problems, and Beasley only had a drug problem. You never worried about these guys being in shape, you never worried about these guys getting along with coaches and teammates. If you have the commitment then Riley will guide you, Bynum has no commitment and health issues.
We'll see. There's reports that state the opposite of the stuff you just posted. I don't care either way. It just means we cut him if it doesn't work out.

Reports? The proof is visually on the court. He is currently out of shape to add to his knee problems. He has disregarded coaches and went renegade without the intention of winning on the court with great coaches like Phil Jackson.

Spo/Riley has a mandate for all his players to be in a certain physical shape or they will not play. You think he will make the demand on all his players and make the exception for Bynum. Bynum has not proven himself worth of such respect. Bynum physical condition would not meet the Heat requirements to get any playing time on the court.

he lost 20 pounds in the offseason

and looked fine when he played for the Cavs, though he's not in 2012 shape.

Who cares, too many of you regurgitate everything you hear in the media without analyzing or watching him play for yourself. We have Oden in rehab that can likely give us less minutes and no one even cares

Post #619 » by **KingDavid** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:15 am

twix2500 wrote:
KingDavid wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Yo Bynum has Character issues, Doesnt work hard to be in shape, and bad knees.... Compare to the two projects we already have, Oden just has knees problems, and Beasley only had a drug problem. You never worried about these guys being in shape, you never worried about these guys getting along with coaches and teammates. If you have the commitment then Riley will guide you, Bynum has no commitment and health issues.
We'll see. There's reports that state the opposite of the stuff you just posted. I don't care either way. It just means we cut him if it doesn't work out.

Reports? The proof is visually on the court. He is currently out of shape to add to his knee problems. He has disregarded coaches and went renegade without the intention of winning on the court with great coaches like Phil Jackson.

Spo/Riley has a mandate for all his players to be in a certain physical shape or they will not play. You think he will make the demand on all his players and make the exception for Bynum. Bynum has not proven himself worth of such respect. Bynum physical condition would not meet the Heat requirements to get any playing time on the court.

Again, there's reports that say otherwise about his conditioning to come back and play and the stats of his last seven games played were decent as well.

I wouldn't expect a seriously young and immature player straight out of high school to do anything good even under Phil Jackson. I know about the whole fitness thing. Wade complained about it a while back when Riley was coach. If Bynum is serious about playing for us, I'm sure he knows what he has to sacrifice and what he has to do to be on our team. If he doesn't feel it's worth it, more power to him. If Riley doesn't feel he's worth the risk, more power to Riley. I'm fine with it either way but I'm not going to dismiss it as if he has no chance to work here.

Post #620 » by **KingDavid** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:17 am

heatlespeatles wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
KingDavid wrote:We'll see. There's reports that state the opposite of the stuff you just posted. I don't care either way. It just means we cut him if it doesn't work out.

Reports? The proof is visually on the court. He is currently out of shape to add to his knee problems. He has disregarded coaches and went renegade without the intention of winning on the court with great coaches like Phil Jackson.

Spo/Riley has a mandate for all his players to be in a certain physical shape or they will not play. You think he will make the demand on all his players and make the exception for Bynum. Bynum has not proven himself worth of such respect. Bynum physical condition would not meet the Heat requirements to get any playing time on the court.

he lost 20 pounds in the offseason

and looked fine when he played for the Cavs, though he's not in 2012 shape.

Who cares, too many of you regurgitate everything you hear in the media without analyzing or watching him play for yourself. We have Oden in rehab that can likely give us less minutes and no one even cares

Exactly. I'm just to lazy to find all the reports. His teammates and coaches were please with his drive to get into better shape. But he went and messed around with another man's wife...