2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[Dr_Heat]

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[Dadouv47]

Guys I don't this trade is happening... Just heard Stan Van Gundy on 790.. Presti in not giving up RW for expiring contracts and Miami is not giving up any of the young players... OKC will hold to Westbrook until the trading deadline in see if someone else is interested at that point.

I think we gotten more than we expected by getting Butler and I am excited about our team as it is.. Maybe one of the young guys can make the leap to borderline star.. If we want a rebuilt that is sustainable we need to hold for a better opportunity to come along

do you have a link plz? Not sure SVG opinion is worth it though (he could even be involded in all this so...)

I respect SVG opinion more than any of the ESPN talking heads... As president of Basketball operations for the Pistons he knows how this negotiations work and has been personally involved in many of them.. That is more that you can say for Zach Lowe.. Windhorst and everyone else

Fair enough. Just thought he could be partial because the Pistons could want him (not sure). Zach Lowe is biassed as well (he never liked Westbrook)

[dean456]

Just wait for Westbrook to come out and say I want to be moved to Miami anyone else who trades for me is going to have to pay me 15% more. That would add an extra 18+mil to Westbrook's deal over the next 4 seasons. If OKC think any other team is paying anything for 30+yo Westbrook at nearly 50mil per year over the next four years then they are delusional.

Westbrook owes nothing to OKC after nearly being traded to Toronto after the loyalty he's shown the team.

[Dr_Heat]

If we make this Westbrook deal it’s eithef going to be Bam or Justise leaving, which one you prefer to keep?

I say let’s keep Bam

[Jinsaryko]

As of right now Pat doesn't need to bid against himself. Unless another team comes forward with a better deal then he'll play hardball. The Thunder needs to find a better offer from some other team to get a better offer from us or just turn us down and take the risk of playing with a disgruntle Westbrook to the trade deadline. Plus the risk of injury as well, which would be a serious blow to their chances of trading him.

The thing is I feel like the whole Westbrook disgruntled thing is overstated. He was always ride or die with OKC through good and bad times. It's OKC pushing for the reset or at least testing the waters to see what they could get and to put Westbrook in a winning situation.

Well to be fair I'm just basing the disgruntle stuff on hearsay and rumors from reporters and a little bit of speculation on my part. So you may be right about that. Still though, the risk of taking him into the season and getting injured has to factor in this decision. I do not believe Westbrook is injury prone, but all it takes is one freak injury and the Thunder are stuck. And even if he makes it to the trade deadline, will there be a team that emerges with a better offer? I know the Knicks can offer much more then we can, but the question is will they?

[Kobewade11]

If we make this Westbrook deal it’s eithef going to be Bam or Justise leaving, which one you prefer to keep?

I say let’s keep Bam

Everybody here already said they want to keep Bam. I'm not giving up either.

[HIF]

I need to see a backcourt of Winslow and Herro together. That combination just seems too perfect. Add in Bam with KO with Butler in the middle of that and BANG!.

Surely Herro, Winnie, Butler, Ko and Bam are not getting us past the second round at best.

People are really overvaluing a 19yo, here.

[HeatIn5]

Assuming we give up no young guys, the real question becomes - Who the hell starts?

Herro's shooting will be much needed, Justise really needs minutes at PG to keeping growing. Waiters has an ego, Can Westbrook work off the ball?

Dion should be the one off the ball

Justise I don't think will start if we get Russ

Russ-Dion-Butler-PF-C (Bam, Leonard, Olynk?)

Bench : Winslow, Herro, Nunn, mix of Leonard/Olynk. JJ I feel is gone so I haven't included him in anything lol

It's hard to say since we don't know who is truly staying or going. Nunn looks to me as a Dion replacement for cheap. He had some fun times with us but showing up out of shape is a big no no in Heat culture.

I'd move Dion to the scoring 6th man role and start Butler and Winslow at the wings.

Hypothetically playing your game .... Westbrook - Butler - Winslow - Bam - Leonard

[gom]

I need to see a backcourt of Winslow and Herro together. That combination just seems too perfect. Add in Bam with KO with Butler in the middle of that and BANG!.

Surely Herro, Winnie, Butler, Ko and Bam are not getting us past the second round at best.

People are really overvaluing a 19yo, here.

Winslow & Richardson helped get us past Charlotte in their rookie seasons. That's the last series we won.

You never know.

Incidentally, I wasn't trading Dragic before to facilitate a trade with OKC. I wanted Iggy because of depth. I like this lineup:

Winslow/Butler/Iggy/Olynyk/Bam

bench in no particular order: Kendrick Nunn/Dion Waiters/Tyler Herro/Derrick Jones/James Johnson/Meyers Leonard/KZ Okpala

not particularly sold on Duncan Robinson & Yante Maten, but I'm good with resigning Haslem.

[Shootit]

If we make this Westbrook deal it’s eithef going to be Bam or Justise leaving, which one you prefer to keep?

I say let’s keep Bam

Bam, easily.

[Joey Bada]

Guys I don't this trade is happening... Just heard Stan Van Gundy on 790.. Presti in not giving up RW for expiring contracts and Miami is not giving up any of the young players... OKC will hold to Westbrook until the trading deadline in see if someone else is interested at that point.

I think we gotten more than we expected by getting Butler and I am excited about our team as it is.. Maybe one of the young guys can make the leap to borderline star.. If we want a rebuilt that is sustainable we need to hold for a better opportunity to come along

do you have a link plz? Not sure SVG opinion is worth it though (he could even be involded in all this so...)

I respect SVG opinion more than any of the ESPN talking heads... As president of Basketball operations for the Pistons he knows how this negotiations work and has been personally involved in many of them.. That is more that you can say for Zach Lowe.. Windhorst and everyone else

In the same sentence he mentions that no one in the league sees Winslow or bam as players to build around. He also didn’t exactly leave the pistons in the best position when he got fired

[HIF]

Walk away

Exactly this if it's not a deal that suits us and makes us better. That's the bottom line.

We lose nothing by not getting him and we can always revisit him or someone else during the season with our expirings.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I really like our floor spacing bigs in Meyers and KO. Butler and Winslow will always have a big floor spacer to turn to and Adebayo can work with either of them. What I would really like to add is another Adebayo 4 type who can rebound, shot block and defend down low in place of JJ.

[HeatIn5]

If we make this Westbrook deal it’s eithef going to be Bam or Justise leaving, which one you prefer to keep?

I say let’s keep Bam

Bam and it's not really that close.

[MartyCONLONNN]

firmly on team walk away. OKC can get Tony Snell, Reggie Jackson, and a couple **** mid to late 1sts to do nothing with the way Boston got too many mediocre picks they ended up cutting half the players the drafted. I like our squad

btw love how pie in the sky *updates* us that a deal isnt close right after Barry puts on an article on the very real obstacles of the deal not being close lol

[Legit1]

Man, I'd love to negotiate with some of you guys. You don't just say yes at the first couple offers, especially when you are the only person really interested.

It says a LOT that no other teams seem to have any real interest here. Zero need to bid against yourself. I'd dare OKC to keep an unhappy Westbrook until trade deadline...

Gotta be patient here, Pat knows what he's doing.

[The Bunk]

firmly on team walk away. OKC can get Tony Snell, Reggie Jackson, and a couple **** mid to late 1sts to do nothing with the way Boston got too many mediocre picks they ended up cutting half the players the drafted. I like our squad

btw love how pie in the sky *updates* us that a deal isnt close right after Barry puts on an article on the very real obstacles of the deal not being close lol

He's been disputing every report of the deal being close or done since the rumors first fired up, tbf

[Dadouv47]

Just wait for Westbrook to come out and say I want to be moved to Miami anyone else who trades for me is going to have to pay me 15% more. That would add an extra 18+mil to Westbrook's deal over the next 4 seasons. If OKC think any other team is paying anything for 30+yo Westbrook at nearly 50mil per year over the next four years then they are delusional.

Westbrook owes nothing to OKC after nearly being traded to Toronto after the loyalty he's shown the team.

No disrespect but Stop saying bull*** plz. Westbrook knew he was being offered to Toronto. PG13 and Westbrook were both unhappy with OKC for a while. Before the deal and PG13's request, they talked with each other from what we know.

OKC has always been loyal to Westbrook and Westbrook to OKC. And that's the reason why he will end up in Miami for a terrible deal instead of going to Detroit or Phoenix.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Just wait for Westbrook to come out and say I want to be moved to Miami anyone else who trades for me is going to have to pay me 15% more. That would add an extra 18+mil to Westbrook's deal over the next 4 seasons. If OKC think any other team is paying anything for 30+yo Westbrook at nearly 50mil per year over the next four years then they are delusional.

Westbrook owes nothing to OKC after nearly being traded to Toronto after the loyalty he's shown the team.

No disrespect but Stop saying bull*** plz. Westbrook knew he was being offered to Toronto. PG13 and Westbrook were both unhappy with OKC for a while. Before the deal and PG13's request, they talked with each other from what we know.

OKC has always been loyal to Westbrook and Westbrook to OKC. And that's the reason why he will end up in Miami for a terrible deal instead of going to Detroit or Phoenix.

Even as a casual OKC observer I have always felt like this has always been the case. I don't think Westbrook has ever been blindsided by that organization. I agree that he was probably well aware of his involvement in the Toronto deal.

[MiamiLoyal926]

We have 3 options right now:
1) Standing pat, keeping our financial flexibility, and investing in our youth to develop... low risk with medium to high reward potential. If our youth booms and our financial flexibility leads to Beal then we got the high end of our potential. If our youth stays the same... thats medium potential level since we will have decent draft positioning for next summer in addition to our financial flexibility starting to emerge.

2) Trading for Westbrook while keeping our young guys... medium risk with medium to high potential. Medium risk because Westbrook is highly paid and older in age with the potential to decline or even get injured. High potential should our youth develop while still having both tradable assets and some financial flexibility in 2021. Medium potential should our young guys under perform or Westbrook continue to show his age.

3) Trading for Westbrook while providing several youth/sweeteners ... high risk with medium potential. We are left with little depth and most of our salary devoted to Jimmy and WB with the other players being either vet mins or the left over of our roster which are likely the player who have under performed and run out of potential. Also with less youth, we are banking on the ones we keep to be the ones that show the it factor. Overall, our potential is medium at best since we lose assets and potential by trading them away with the risk of Jimmy and Westbrook still getting hurt or slowing down.

After stepping back and lookin at all 3 scenarios, it makes no sense to sell the farm for Westbrook. It is the one with highest risk and lowest potential moving forward. Why take that risk and pay to do it? We should be the ones paid to do it!