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Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#601 » by SA37 » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:19 pm

twix2500 wrote:Miami has a stretch where they can possibly go on a 7 game win streak if they play to their potential. This should get them a solid lead as the 4th seedImage

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Miami should win most of those games. The Hawks will be without Young, the Bulls without Lavine, and the Cavs suck. San Antonio is always tough and Charlotte can beat anyone on a given night, so a loss to those teams would be understandable.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#603 » by SA37 » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:27 pm

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Heat3 wrote:Used to be you just retired someone’s number to show how much they mean to your franchise. Then you gotta build them a statue to separate them from the other people whose numbers are retired. Next is you must sell them a part of your franchise even if it is a family business. Sorry Nick. Your grandfather may have started the Heat, your daddy may run it now....but you gotta split it with Wade and save a piece for Bam :lol: Finally you gotta give personnel control. Who cares if the person running it for the last 25 years is doing a good job.

Its business homie. It is not anything new. Part of attracting the best talent (on the business side and player personal) is not only the salary attraction but the benefits. Especially when the salary has a cap. The reason Wade and Haslem took less money is because they were going to be compensated for the lost outside of the team and after retirement. Having Wade as a global marketing icon for your company raises the value. So You give him a share of ownership and that money is made back buy the increase of the company value. Players around the league sees this is like Jimmy may choose to chase after those benefits as well. This is not anything new in the business world in general. Company's will throw in benefit packages along with salary to attract certain talent. I was offered shares of a company if I agreed to stay 5 plus years.


That doesn't necessarily mean a stake in the team. It could be a job within the organization like many other players have gotten.

What will be interesting is to see what happens during the next CBA negotiations because the NBPA wants to include equity for players in the negotiations.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#604 » by Heat3 » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:28 pm

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Heat3 wrote:Used to be you just retired someone’s number to show how much they mean to your franchise. Then you gotta build them a statue to separate them from the other people whose numbers are retired. Next is you must sell them a part of your franchise even if it is a family business. Sorry Nick. Your grandfather may have started the Heat, your daddy may run it now....but you gotta split it with Wade and save a piece for Bam :lol: Finally you gotta give personnel control. Who cares if the person running it for the last 25 years is doing a good job.

Its business homie. It is not anything new. Part of attracting the best talent (on the business side and player personal) is not only the salary attraction but the benefits. Especially when the salary has a cap. The reason Wade and Haslem took less money is because they were going to be compensated for the lost outside of the team and after retirement. Having Wade as a global marketing icon for your company raises the value. So You give him a share of ownership and that money is made back buy the increase of the company value. Players around the league sees this is like Jimmy may choose to chase after those benefits as well. This is not anything new in the business world in general. Company's will throw in benefit packages along with salary to attract certain talent. I was offered shares of a company if I agreed to stay 5 plus years.


It’s not business. People are arguing against the Heat because they feel this should be given to Wade as a thank you. When what Wade wants is personnel control. He was offered simple partial ownership and rejected it.

So should Wade be given personnel control? Why take power away from the people that have done a fantastic job for decades and give to someone who has zero background in it? Cause he was a star player? How has that worked out for Michael Jordan?

Yeah I have shares given to me from my previous employer as part of an employee benefits plan. A handful of shares out of 3M lol. This isn’t comparable.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#605 » by gom » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:24 am

This Wade business thing should maybe have its own thread. For my part, I'm happy with every manifestation of player ownership even if it's after a player isn't an active player anymore. Good for Wade!
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#606 » by gom » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:28 am

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twix2500 wrote:Miami has a stretch where they can possibly go on a 7 game win streak if they play to their potential. This should get them a solid lead as the 4th seedImage

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Miami should win most of those games. The Hawks will be without Young, the Bulls without Lavine, and the Cavs suck. San Antonio is always tough and Charlotte can beat anyone on a given night, so a loss to those teams would be understandable.


Ha

All of those games are tough. Hawks will play their ass off. Be careful. NBA teams are not going to roll over and die. With the play in even the Bulls aren't out of it and... these two in a row series are always with us at best a 1-1. The other team either crushes us (like the Bucks) and then we must fight like mad to win or we play ok and win and the other team beats us. We suck at these.

LaMelo should be back by that Charlotte game.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#607 » by SA37 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:56 am

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twix2500 wrote:Miami has a stretch where they can possibly go on a 7 game win streak if they play to their potential. This should get them a solid lead as the 4th seedImage

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Miami should win most of those games. The Hawks will be without Young, the Bulls without Lavine, and the Cavs suck. San Antonio is always tough and Charlotte can beat anyone on a given night, so a loss to those teams would be understandable.


Ha

All of those games are tough. Hawks will play their ass off. Be careful. NBA teams are not going to roll over and die. With the play in even the Bulls aren't out of it and... these two in a row series are always with us at best a 1-1. The other team either crushes us (like the Bucks) and then we must fight like mad to win or we play ok and win and the other team beats us. We suck at these.

LaMelo should be back by that Charlotte game.


If Miami wants to contend for a title, these are "gimmies." All of them, except for Atlanta, are in the bottom half of the standings in the league.
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Post#608 » by kidco2 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:12 am

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#610 » by contract » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:25 pm

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twix2500 wrote:
Heat3 wrote:Used to be you just retired someone’s number to show how much they mean to your franchise. Then you gotta build them a statue to separate them from the other people whose numbers are retired. Next is you must sell them a part of your franchise even if it is a family business. Sorry Nick. Your grandfather may have started the Heat, your daddy may run it now....but you gotta split it with Wade and save a piece for Bam :lol: Finally you gotta give personnel control. Who cares if the person running it for the last 25 years is doing a good job.

Its business homie. It is not anything new. Part of attracting the best talent (on the business side and player personal) is not only the salary attraction but the benefits. Especially when the salary has a cap. The reason Wade and Haslem took less money is because they were going to be compensated for the lost outside of the team and after retirement. Having Wade as a global marketing icon for your company raises the value. So You give him a share of ownership and that money is made back buy the increase of the company value. Players around the league sees this is like Jimmy may choose to chase after those benefits as well. This is not anything new in the business world in general. Company's will throw in benefit packages along with salary to attract certain talent. I was offered shares of a company if I agreed to stay 5 plus years.


That doesn't necessarily mean a stake in the team. It could be a job within the organization like many other players have gotten.

What will be interesting is to see what happens during the next CBA negotiations because the NBPA wants to include equity for players in the negotiations.

A job is probably good enough for Haslem, but for guys like Wade who have made close to $200 million in the NBA plus 10s of millions more in endorsements and outside businesses ... a "job" isn't going to hold much appeal. And with salaries growing, soon even guys like Haslem won't be interested in that. It's just the way it goes. Give it a few years and Wade will probably end up back here again.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#611 » by DayofMourning » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:54 pm

We sure could use Harden and Aldridge right now.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#612 » by AirP. » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:07 pm

As of today from NBA.com.

Here's where Miami sits...

Clutch team stats
ORTG 95.4 30th
DRTG 103.1 7th
Net Rating -7.3 19th

Normal team stats
ORTG 108.8 24th
DRTG 109.7 7th
Net Rating -1.0 20th

Points off the drive
20.8 28th

Catch and Shoot 3s
Taken 26.9 3rd
Made 9.9 7th
% made 36.7 21st
efg% 53.8

Pull up 3s
Taken 9.0 15th
Made 2.7 19th
% made 30.4% 27th
efg% 43.3
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#613 » by twix2500 » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:43 pm

So are the Heat cutting Dragic this summer or they gonna to honor his 2nd year?

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Post#614 » by Beenie » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:50 pm

twix2500 wrote:So are the Heat cutting Dragic this summer or they gonna to honor his 2nd year?

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He ought to consider retirement, imo.

But if he wants to keep playing for Mia, the team would be well advised to only bring him back on a very team friendly contract.
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Post#615 » by twix2500 » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:37 pm

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twix2500 wrote:So are the Heat cutting Dragic this summer or they gonna to honor his 2nd year?

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He ought to consider retirement, imo.

But if he wants to keep playing for Mia, the team would be well advised to only bring him back on a very team friendly contract.
So the Heat should cut him

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#616 » by Bishop45 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:37 am

DayofMourning wrote:We sure could use Harden and Aldridge right now.


Pretty shameless reasoning, I respect it
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#617 » by Beenie » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:07 am

twix2500 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
twix2500 wrote:So are the Heat cutting Dragic this summer or they gonna to honor his 2nd year?

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He ought to consider retirement, imo.

But if he wants to keep playing for Mia, the team would be well advised to only bring him back on a very team friendly contract.
So the Heat should cut him

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Won't have to cut him if he retires.

But if he is intent on playing and being a shell of himself in a reduced role, Mia should definitely cut him and bring him back on a team friendly deal.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#618 » by MadD23 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:40 am

twix2500 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
twix2500 wrote:So are the Heat cutting Dragic this summer or they gonna to honor his 2nd year?

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He ought to consider retirement, imo.

But if he wants to keep playing for Mia, the team would be well advised to only bring him back on a very team friendly contract.
So the Heat should cut him

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#619 » by puppa bear » Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:33 am

MadD23 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
He ought to consider retirement, imo.

But if he wants to keep playing for Mia, the team would be well advised to only bring him back on a very team friendly contract.
So the Heat should cut him

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Yes

We can always guarantee his TO and send him out before the player movement moratorium. We would then be eligible to resign him next year after he’s bought out. We’d just have to be salary neutral, unless it’s a deal so good Micky’s happy to pay the tax.

OKC has been happy to pay Horford not to play, so why not get out of a year of his deal by swapping him for Dragic/Iggy? Iggy’s happy to stay fit at home until the deadline

I’m sure there’s teams looking to clear cap space for 2022, so taking on an extra year (or two) could allow us to upgrade talent
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#620 » by HIF » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:17 am

Who would've thought that blake would be producing more than Harden, Durant and aldridge combined?
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