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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0 

Post#601 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:51 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Damn you Bammy. You got me thinking that we could have a great shot at Murray again. Saddiq Bey would be such an awesome 4 here. I’d probably give the Hawks the 2 1st and Jovic. Don’t have to trade Duncan in this scenario.


Exactly which is basically what I said in my last response to you lol, easier transaction but will cost us an extra 1st which I’m personally fine with. Love the fit of Bey and Murray as I think Murray fits better next to Herro and Rozier because of his defense.

It’s tough to pick a side though, Murray is the better 2 way player but Rozier is the better shooter and more explosive scorer. Bey vs PJ I don’t really know but I like both of their fits

If we want a locked in PF on a great contract it’s PJW. Problem is it’s going to cost Duncan because his contract needs to be allocated to that PF. Bey is a free agent next year and we would run the risk of losing him. I think i like the Hornets deal better if we are giving up that type of capital. We’ll have Rozier and PJW locked up here until Butler expires.
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Post#602 » by Wiltside » Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:59 pm

Stop dealing my guy Jovic :x

I’ve been angling for the Rozier/PJW combo though. Posted it earlier, just with a crap trade offer :lol:
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Post#603 » by IceColdCubano » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:02 pm

Wiltside wrote:Stop dealing my guy Jovic :x

I’ve been angling for the Rozier/PJW combo though. Posted it earlier, just with a crap trade offer :lol:

unfortunately the only way we get a any of this deals, will be with something we like and care for being sent the other way. No ifs or butts about it.
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Post#604 » by IceColdCubano » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:05 pm

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Post#605 » by greg4012 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:10 pm

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IceColdCubano wrote:Dejounte Murray and Herro cannot co-exist together on this team, seen him and Trey not work out in Atlanta I would feel like Miami would either use Herro to go for Murray and something else, or use Herro to go get a PF of note and strength the front court and get Murray with Lowry. A package of Herro, Jovic + 2 FRP's should get us some premier talent where ever available. Id throw that at Cleveland and see if they would be willing to let go of Donovan Mitchell.


Herro should absolutely not be playing the same style of basketball as Trae Young. Off-ball Herro plz


Thats all great and good, but I have reservations that would not happen. That would mean the coaching staff and FO do not believe he is valued at 30M per year. 30M per year is not an off ball motion shooter, at least not at his level unless he can hit 8-10 3pt's a night on 40% efficiency. If that is the route your taking your 100% trading him, and you need to have a conversation from a staff perspective about how he needs to fit within a role for or perhaps request a trade because currently its not working. Spo ins't known for changing up somethin as big as that role in the middle of the season, the way they practiced in the off season is to get him good looks and play the way he is playing currently. I would say our best result is a trade where this is no longer a problem we need to deal with, or it will wait for it to get adjusted next off season.


Klay Thompson disagrees with you.

And Herro's skillset as a playmaker would still have value in a secondary role. Adjusting his role doesn't need to be most extreme scenario. Herro playing with a more complementary PG allows him to shift to more off ball and created looks while still being able to (1) create looks for himself off closeouts and picking his spots; and (2) split more minutes where he's potentially running with the bench unit and can still get more time with the ball in his hands as a primary option.

Creating a healthier shot diet for multiple players on this offense doesn't need to require a complete departure from utilizing their developed skillsets.
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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0 

Post#606 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:13 pm

Wiltside wrote:Stop dealing my guy Jovic :x

I’ve been angling for the Rozier/PJW combo though. Posted it earlier, just with a crap trade offer :lol:

I made it work but most certainly the Hornets are going to want Jovic if they are parting with a 25 year old PF on a good extended contract.
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Post#607 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:15 pm

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Wiltside wrote:Stop dealing my guy Jovic :x

I’ve been angling for the Rozier/PJW combo though. Posted it earlier, just with a crap trade offer :lol:

unfortunately the only way we get a any of this deals, will be with something we like and care for being sent the other way. No ifs or butts about it.

Yup you can sense Barry getting annoyed at Heat fans last night because every proposed offer comes off like a pawn shop dealer. I always say put yourself in the other teams shoes first when trying to make a deal.
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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0 

Post#608 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:24 pm

Murray/Jrich/Mills
Herro/Duncan/Cain
Jimmy/Caleb/JJJ
Bey/Highsmith/Orlando
Bam/Love/Bryant

Rozier/Jrich/Ish
Herro/JJJ/Cain
Jimmy/Caleb/Swider
PJW/Highsmith/Orlando
Bam/Love/Bryant

Get it done!!! A bit of a log jam still with the Atlanta deal, we may need to send out 1 more rotation piece there to free up minutes for everyone.

Love the depth though and both those teams are far better than what we’re currently running, those could finally put us over the top.
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Post#609 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:24 pm

Lots to like with the Hornets deal cause you would be getting 2 players in Rozier and PJW that are known to wanting to be Miami Heat players. Our two biggest weak spots of PG and PF would be locked up for the foreseeable future. Then you got JJJ as the 6th man extraordinaire and eventual replacement for Butler at SF.
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Post#610 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:27 pm

greg4012 wrote:
IceColdCubano wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Herro should absolutely not be playing the same style of basketball as Trae Young. Off-ball Herro plz


Thats all great and good, but I have reservations that would not happen. That would mean the coaching staff and FO do not believe he is valued at 30M per year. 30M per year is not an off ball motion shooter, at least not at his level unless he can hit 8-10 3pt's a night on 40% efficiency. If that is the route your taking your 100% trading him, and you need to have a conversation from a staff perspective about how he needs to fit within a role for or perhaps request a trade because currently its not working. Spo ins't known for changing up somethin as big as that role in the middle of the season, the way they practiced in the off season is to get him good looks and play the way he is playing currently. I would say our best result is a trade where this is no longer a problem we need to deal with, or it will wait for it to get adjusted next off season.


Klay Thompson disagrees with you.

And Herro's skillset as a playmaker would still have value in a secondary role. Adjusting his role doesn't need to be most extreme scenario. Herro playing with a more complementary PG allows him to shift to more off ball and created looks while still being able to (1) create looks for himself off closeouts and picking his spots; and (2) split more minutes where he's potentially running with the bench unit and can still get more time with the ball in his hands as a primary option.

Creating a healthier shot diet for multiple players on this offense doesn't need to require a complete departure from utilizing their developed skillsets.


Tinkering shot selection from Herro and Bam would go a long way. Herro increase in catch and shoot attempts, Bam putting his head down and getting to the rim instead of settling for the mid range. Bam has developed into a very good mid range shooter that at times he’s now fallen in love with it too much. That simple change could change him from a 22 PPG scorer to 24 PPG instantly because of the increased efficiency
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Post#611 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:30 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Lots to like with the Hornets deal cause you would be getting 2 players in Rozier and PJW that are known to wanting to be Miami Heat players. Our two biggest weak spots of PG and PF would be locked up for the foreseeable future. Then you got JJJ as the 6th man extraordinaire and eventual replacement for Butler at SF.


Dare I say with Murray we would finally get what we were hoping for with Dipo, with Rozier we would as well except worse defense but better offense and shooting :o
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Post#612 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:33 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:I want to see what Jovic has in store for us. I want to see Herro stay healthy.

I’ve been a hardcore PJW stan since day one lol. I’ll take him with our current core over Jovic right now.

misguided and shortsighted.

Niko will be the better player pretty soon, will make 1\5 of what PJ makes and will have a lot more upside.
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Post#613 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:35 pm

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It’s all picking up on Twitter too, everyone is zeroing in on these 2 guys. This needs to happen
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Post#614 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:41 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:I want to see what Jovic has in store for us. I want to see Herro stay healthy.

I’ve been a hardcore PJW stan since day one lol. I’ll take him with our current core over Jovic right now.

misguided and shortsighted.

Niko will be the better player pretty soon, will make 1\5 of what PJ makes and will have a lot more upside.

Or overly optimistic and can just be the next Mario Hezonja lol
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Post#615 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:44 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


It’s all picking up on Twitter too, everyone is zeroing in on these 2 guys. This needs to happen

The excuse for the Heat is he’s tied to Klutch while Rozier is a Wade stan and PJW is best friends with Herro and tied to Mike Miller’s agency.
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Post#616 » by Wiltside » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:45 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Wiltside wrote:Stop dealing my guy Jovic :x

I’ve been angling for the Rozier/PJW combo though. Posted it earlier, just with a crap trade offer :lol:

I made it work but most certainly the Hornets are going to want Jovic if they are parting with a 25 year old PF on a good extended contract.


Still would rather include a future pick or Caleb over young Jov. But I get it. The price of doing business.
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Post#617 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:46 pm

Rozier > Murray
and will cost less to get.

PJ Washington is crazy overrated in here, go look up his stats.
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Post#618 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:47 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Rozier > Murray
and will cost less to get.

PJ Washington is crazy overrated in here, go look up his stats.

Good player not being used correctly in a poor situation.
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Post#619 » by dshearn » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:49 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:I want to see what Jovic has in store for us. I want to see Herro stay healthy.

I’ve been a hardcore PJW stan since day one lol. I’ll take him with our current core over Jovic right now.


I know u r buddy. Im rolling with Jovic for the time being though. He is a skilled player. Hes also learned how to use his height and length on D which has helped him tremendously.



I have seen enough that I like the style of offense tht can be ran with Jovic....


I would deal Herro before Jovic
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Post#620 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:51 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:Rozier > Murray
and will cost less to get.

PJ Washington is crazy overrated in here, go look up his stats.

Good player not being used correctly in a poor situation.

Rozier is the in the exact same chit situation and is looking like an all-star.

Washington is a below average PF by any metric, we shouldn't give up Niko or any assets for him, he's not the answer.
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