Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[Altered_Beast]

Pipe dream scenario with BG as the "whale", this is heavily contingent on both BG and CP3 opting out and the clips and bulls tanking.
phase 1: Tj (i love tj but hes honestly one of our strongest trade chips, yes he has a poison pill type contract but hes imo one of the up and coming combo guards in the league and he will be a perennial 6moty candidate) this http://nbamath.com/tyler-johnson-quietly-rewarding-miami-heat-for-their-faith/ sums up what i feel on TJ and why hes not really a bad contract in todays NBA and can actually get even better
Ok so back on track: we trade TJ, McRoberts, ellington and either a 2019/2020 future first to the clips in a sign and trade for Blake Griffin ( maybe im crazy for thinking this is feasible haha)

phase 2: the bulls go full tank and buy out dwade allowing him to come here on the minimum


We sign a decent vet sf/pf that can shoot the three and is not named babbit (pj tucker/tolliver) a good locker room vet
obviously with these moves we probably wont be able to afford either JJ/Dion but oh well blake is better than both and actually fits our style of play. Hes a riley guy through and through and I think he has at least 4-5 more years of star potential in him if he stays healthy (big if). Resign willie reed with the money thats left over

Now here would be our lineups

pg: dragic/mcgruder
sg: richardson/wade
sf: Winslow/tucker
pf: griffin/adebayo/white
c: whiteside/reed/haslem

We pad out the rest of the roster relying on our ability to get hidden gems from the dleague/undrafted much like we did tj and mcgruder + others

Now you make look at this roster and think, wheres the shooting?! yes i agree the shooting leaves much to be desired but i think that defensively this would be the best team in the nba and the plus to having griffin is that much like JJ was for us he is a dynamic ball handler for a big and hes a great passer. He can run the point forward as well as winslow, these dudes are shot creators. Running the pnr with blake and whiteside would be lethal and both dragic and richardson will make you pay if you leave them open from 3. Defensively and on the boards we would be a nightmare for any team to match up with size/physicality wise.
The heat need to be the antithesis of the warriors. The warriors are very much the new age of basketball, spacing and threes. To combat those teams you need a hard trapping defense and physicality and the heat would legit be the scariest defensive front court with Winny/BG/hassan

wade leading the bench in the role that we have pined for years, depth is a concern but i wont leave wade out there alone without on of Whiteside/winslow

What say you?
Am i just nuts?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Pipe dream scenario with BG as the "whale", this is heavily contingent on both BG and CP3 opting out and the clips and bulls tanking.
phase 1: Tj (i love tj but hes honestly one of our strongest trade chips, yes he has a poison pill type contract but hes imo one of the up and coming combo guards in the league and he will be a perennial 6moty candidate) this http://nbamath.com/tyler-johnson-quietly-rewarding-miami-heat-for-their-faith/ sums up what i feel on TJ and why hes not really a bad contract in todays NBA and can actually get even better
Ok so back on track: we trade TJ, McRoberts, ellington and either a 2019/2020 future first to the clips in a sign and trade for Blake Griffin ( maybe im crazy for thinking this is feasible haha)

phase 2: the bulls go full tank and buy out dwade allowing him to come here on the minimum


We sign a decent vet sf/pf that can shoot the three and is not named babbit (pj tucker/tolliver) a good locker room vet
obviously with these moves we probably wont be able to afford either JJ/Dion but oh well blake is better than both and actually fits our style of play. Hes a riley guy through and through and I think he has at least 4-5 more years of star potential in him if he stays healthy (big if). Resign willie reed with the money thats left over

Now here would be our lineups

pg: dragic/mcgruder
sg: richardson/wade
sf: Winslow/tucker
pf: griffin/adebayo/white
c: whiteside/reed/haslem

We pad out the rest of the roster relying on our ability to get hidden gems from the dleague/undrafted much like we did tj and mcgruder + others

Now you make look at this roster and think, wheres the shooting?! yes i agree the shooting leaves much to be desired but i think that defensively this would be the best team in the nba and the plus to having griffin is that much like JJ was for us he is a dynamic ball handler for a big and hes a great passer. He can run the point forward as well as winslow, these dudes are shot creators. Running the pnr with blake and whiteside would be lethal and both dragic and richardson will make you pay if you leave them open from 3. Defensively and on the boards we would be a nightmare for any team to match up with size/physicality wise.
The heat need to be the antithesis of the warriors. The warriors are very much the new age of basketball, spacing and threes. To combat those teams you need a hard trapping defense and physicality and the heat would legit be the scariest defensive front court with Winny/BG/hassan

wade leading the bench in the role that we have pined for years, depth is a concern but i wont leave wade out there alone without on of Whiteside/winslow

What say you?
Am i just nuts?

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[Flash4thewin]

Pipe dream scenario with BG as the "whale", this is heavily contingent on both BG and CP3 opting out and the clips and bulls tanking.
phase 1: Tj (i love tj but hes honestly one of our strongest trade chips, yes he has a poison pill type contract but hes imo one of the up and coming combo guards in the league and he will be a perennial 6moty candidate) this http://nbamath.com/tyler-johnson-quietly-rewarding-miami-heat-for-their-faith/ sums up what i feel on TJ and why hes not really a bad contract in todays NBA and can actually get even better
Ok so back on track: we trade TJ, McRoberts, ellington and either a 2019/2020 future first to the clips in a sign and trade for Blake Griffin ( maybe im crazy for thinking this is feasible haha)

phase 2: the bulls go full tank and buy out dwade allowing him to come here on the minimum


We sign a decent vet sf/pf that can shoot the three and is not named babbit (pj tucker/tolliver) a good locker room vet
obviously with these moves we probably wont be able to afford either JJ/Dion but oh well blake is better than both and actually fits our style of play. Hes a riley guy through and through and I think he has at least 4-5 more years of star potential in him if he stays healthy (big if). Resign willie reed with the money thats left over

Now here would be our lineups

pg: dragic/mcgruder
sg: richardson/wade
sf: Winslow/tucker
pf: griffin/adebayo/white
c: whiteside/reed/haslem

We pad out the rest of the roster relying on our ability to get hidden gems from the dleague/undrafted much like we did tj and mcgruder + others

Now you make look at this roster and think, wheres the shooting?! yes i agree the shooting leaves much to be desired but i think that defensively this would be the best team in the nba and the plus to having griffin is that much like JJ was for us he is a dynamic ball handler for a big and hes a great passer. He can run the point forward as well as winslow, these dudes are shot creators. Running the pnr with blake and whiteside would be lethal and both dragic and richardson will make you pay if you leave them open from 3. Defensively and on the boards we would be a nightmare for any team to match up with size/physicality wise.
The heat need to be the antithesis of the warriors. The warriors are very much the new age of basketball, spacing and threes. To combat those teams you need a hard trapping defense and physicality and the heat would legit be the scariest defensive front court with Winny/BG/hassan

wade leading the bench in the role that we have pined for years, depth is a concern but i wont leave wade out there alone without on of Whiteside/winslow

What say you?
Am i just nuts?

Love the idea but its not realistic at all. TJ is a poison contract and will need assets to move unless he is putting up 30ppg on great % which lets be honest is not going to happen. I dont see any way Wade comes back this season unless Pat gets down on his knees begging. Its a pride thing, also logically why join the Heat when you can join a contender/pretender in the Cavs?

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

So sick and tired of the Waiters hate. We turned him into an elite player. He bought into the system and did everything we told him too. He's going to be a steal for us if we get him at anything under 15 per.

Waiters career FG% is 41%............ He shot 42% in 40 something games with us last year.

He's a 69% FT shooter at the SG spot.

He's an inefficient chucker. Let's not get carried away here. There are A LOT of players who can score at a 41% clip if you allow them to put up bricks at will.

He shot the 3ball at 39% with us in 40ish games last year though, but career is 34%.

Overall he's just not what I would call an elite player. Not at all. In my opinion, Waiters best spot is as a spark plug off the bench.

[gom]

1. Renounce WIllie Reed & Udonis Haslem (to reduce their cap hold to $815,615)

2. Renegotiate Wayne Ellington 3/15 (removes his hold of $6,270,000)

4,761,905
5,000,000
5,238,095

3. Sign Dion Waiters 4/60

13,953,488
14,651,162
15,348,836
16,046,514 (PO)

4. Sign James Johnson 3/40

12,698,413
13,333,334
13,968,253

5. Sign Luke Babbitt with Bird Rights over cap for 3/15 (same as Wayne Ellington)

6. Sign UD for veteran's minimum: $2,328,652

7. Leaves us with one roster space to promote a D-League player and sign for minimum.

PG: Goran Dragic
SG: Dion Waiters, Tyler Johnson, Josh Richardson, Wayne Ellington
SF: Rodney McGruder, Justise Winslow, Okaro White
PF: James Johnson, Luke Babbitt, Udonis Haslem, Josh McRoberts
C: Hassan Whiteside, Bam Adebayo

Sign a point guard for veteran's minimum.



Can you sense my excitement?

Goals: Try to finish 8th in the East. Develop players at Sioux Falls. See if Winslow can beat out McGruder and White for SF position. If he can, then maybe we can do even more.

Richardson is up for his contract next July. We can offer (or not) an extension for Winslow depending on his performance.

2018-2019 we will have our first round draft pick again.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I hate Blake Griffin.

He's a soft player who doesn't have the competitive fire and mental strength required to win rings.

I don't want Blake Griffin, and if he came to Miami for free via FA, then I would trade him anyway.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

3. Sign Dion Waiters 4/60

13,953,488
14,651,162
15,348,836
16,046,514 (PO)

Dion Waiters at $15 mil a year ??

I'd give him 10 per season to stay. Dion doesn't want to leave and go be a bench player again on another team anyway.

[Heat_Fan_87]

I hate Blake Griffin.

I don't hate him, but he's not a #1 option. there are better players out there, no sense in blowing our whole cap on one guy that isn't even a great fit.


on the clippers forum, they talk about how the team is better with Cp3 on the court blake on bench, but when blake on court without cp3, not so good.

his age and injury history are just additional red flags.

if cp3+blake+jordan+6th man crawford and 3pt sniper JJ, cant get it done, not sure how our team with blake does it? cp3 is a star

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Plan A

[dancing2thabeet]

Oh wow, I completely forgot about McRob. Imagine him having a career year next season as our starting PF.

[Enso]

JJ over Dion all day.

[Enso]

err day

[gom]

3. Sign Dion Waiters 4/60

13,953,488
14,651,162
15,348,836
16,046,514 (PO)

Dion Waiters at $15 mil a year ??

I'd give him 10 per season to stay. Dion doesn't want to leave and go be a bench player again on another team anyway.

Yeah, and if he signs to start for the Nets, at least Boston won't get a #1 pick. Maybe we can keep our pick. We'll be better than the Bulls, though. Huzzah.

[Chalm Down]

I really don't think Waiters will get $15mil per...especially not with the cap going down more than projected

[MettaWorldPanda]

JJ over Dion all day.

I like to look at them as a package deal. I think they also became very good friends.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I really don't think Waiters will get $15mil per...especially not with the cap going down more than projected

Brooklyn might come with a stupid offer. Hopefully not. Nets may be looking for pay back for us matching TJ. Maybe they go after Gallo before Waiters.

[Bishop45]

Wonder if Rodney's in the plans as a rotational player next year? Couldn't hurt with our cap situation and he can always grow more into his role

[eddieheatfan]

Pipe dream scenario with BG as the "whale", this is heavily contingent on both BG and CP3 opting out and the clips and bulls tanking.
phase 1: Tj (i love tj but hes honestly one of our strongest trade chips, yes he has a poison pill type contract but hes imo one of the up and coming combo guards in the league and he will be a perennial 6moty candidate) this http://nbamath.com/tyler-johnson-quietly-rewarding-miami-heat-for-their-faith/ sums up what i feel on TJ and why hes not really a bad contract in todays NBA and can actually get even better
Ok so back on track: we trade TJ, McRoberts, ellington and either a 2019/2020 future first to the clips in a sign and trade for Blake Griffin ( maybe im crazy for thinking this is feasible haha)

phase 2: the bulls go full tank and buy out dwade allowing him to come here on the minimum


We sign a decent vet sf/pf that can shoot the three and is not named babbit (pj tucker/tolliver) a good locker room vet
obviously with these moves we probably wont be able to afford either JJ/Dion but oh well blake is better than both and actually fits our style of play. Hes a riley guy through and through and I think he has at least 4-5 more years of star potential in him if he stays healthy (big if). Resign willie reed with the money thats left over

Now here would be our lineups

pg: dragic/mcgruder
sg: richardson/wade
sf: Winslow/tucker
pf: griffin/adebayo/white
c: whiteside/reed/haslem

We pad out the rest of the roster relying on our ability to get hidden gems from the dleague/undrafted much like we did tj and mcgruder + others

Now you make look at this roster and think, wheres the shooting?! yes i agree the shooting leaves much to be desired but i think that defensively this would be the best team in the nba and the plus to having griffin is that much like JJ was for us he is a dynamic ball handler for a big and hes a great passer. He can run the point forward as well as winslow, these dudes are shot creators. Running the pnr with blake and whiteside would be lethal and both dragic and richardson will make you pay if you leave them open from 3. Defensively and on the boards we would be a nightmare for any team to match up with size/physicality wise.
The heat need to be the antithesis of the warriors. The warriors are very much the new age of basketball, spacing and threes. To combat those teams you need a hard trapping defense and physicality and the heat would legit be the scariest defensive front court with Winny/BG/hassan

wade leading the bench in the role that we have pined for years, depth is a concern but i wont leave wade out there alone without on of Whiteside/winslow

What say you?
Am i just nuts?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Wonder if Rodney's in the plans as a rotational player next year? Couldn't hurt with our cap situation and he can always grow more into his role

I just hope it's not at SF. I know he was a feel good story last year but a 6'4 200 pound SF is not what you want as a playoff team.