Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #621 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:44 pm

Personally by next season I don’t think Dragic will be able to contribute enough to be the backup PG.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #622 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:45 pm

He won’t win MVP but if he was healthy this season and you add like 3 PPG he runs away with it

eddieheatfan · Post #623 » by **eddieheatfan** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:04 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/raptors-guard-goran-dragic-attends-heat-game-while-on-leave-181345041.html

Raptors guard Goran Dragic spotted at Heat game while on leave

MiamiSun · Post #624 » by **MiamiSun** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:35 pm

I think the only thing keeping Butler out of the MVP conversations is that he has not had that "Sportscenter" game. That gaudy PTS/Reb/Asst game like he had against the Lakers in the Finals. If he had one of these games on his 2022 resume he would be in the conversation.

marson · Post #625 » by **marson** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:26 am

Not enough games for Jimbo tbf. Embiid and Jokic are on a different level at the moment, remove them from their team, its GG.

I definitely believe Spo is our MVP this year, he should win COY atleast one imo.

carnageta · Post #626 » by **carnageta** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:52 am

Unpopular opinion: Bam needs to lose about 10-15 pounds. He appears slower on the defensive end compared to his 2019-2020 days. The lateral quickness and speed just isn't what it used to be.

That summer bulk may have been good for the ladies but not so much for our style of play. Bam's at an awkward phase where he's still too small to bang with true centers and now too slow to stay in front of lighter folks (which was his greatest strength as a defender).

Obviously his defense is still elite, but I question whether or not putting on 15 pounds of weight is actually the most beneficial for his game..

somerandomdude · Post #627 » by **somerandomdude** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:06 am

carnageta wrote:Unpopular opinion: Bam needs to lose about 10-15 pounds. He appears slower on the defensive end compared to his 2019-2020 days. The lateral quickness and speed just isn't what it used to be.

That summer bulk may have been good for the ladies but not so much for our style of play. Bam's at an awkward phase where he's still too small to bang with true centers and now too slow to stay in front of lighter folks (which was his greatest strength as a defender).

Obviously his defense is still elite, but I question whether or not putting on 15 pounds of weight is actually the most beneficial for his game..

He hasn't had a full offseason since the end of 18-19.

In the Bubble season, we made the Finals, then the next season started about a month after the end of the Finals.

In that season, we got swept in the first round, but Bam went to play in the Olympics, so he didn't get much rest.

He probably needs a full offseason to recharge before he looks like himself again.

If you watch how he played in the first two games when he returned from the thumb surgery, he looked like his old self.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #628 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:27 am

carnageta wrote:Unpopular opinion: Bam needs to lose about 10-15 pounds. He appears slower on the defensive end compared to his 2019-2020 days. The lateral quickness and speed just isn't what it used to be.

That summer bulk may have been good for the ladies but not so much for our style of play. Bam's at an awkward phase where he's still too small to bang with true centers and now too slow to stay in front of lighter folks (which was his greatest strength as a defender).

Obviously his defense is still elite, but I question whether or not putting on 15 pounds of weight is actually the most beneficial for his game..

I need him at 16 shots a game minimum. That’s all I’m worried about

somerandomdude · Post #629 » by **somerandomdude** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:28 am

GL to future OPs, this 4 game road trip won't be easy

marson · Post #630 » by **marson** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:33 am

somerandomdude wrote:GL to future OPs, this 4 game road trip won't be easy

Raps are very lucky that they'll get us again for a back2back :lol:

@Boston and @Charlotte looks winnable. 2 out of 4 for us is a win.

somerandomdude · Post #631 » by **somerandomdude** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:37 am

marson wrote:
somerandomdude wrote:GL to future OPs, this 4 game road trip won't be easy

Raps are very lucky that they'll get us again for a back2back

@Boston and @Charlotte looks winnable. 2 out of 4 for us is a win.

Damn, I didn't even realize that was a B2B. :lol:

And don't look past the Celtics, they've played good the last 3 of 4 games and they beat us pretty good the last time we played them (mostly in the 2nd quarter where we had 0ast and 10 turnovers).

balla345 · Post #632 » by **balla345** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:53 am

I hate to be the one to say it but our team was playing better with Lowry 3 shooters and Yurt than with Bam+Butler.

3ballbomber · Post #633 » by **3ballbomber** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:23 am

balla345 wrote:I hate to be the one to say it but our team was playing better with Lowry 3 shooters and Yurt than with Bam+Butler.

I think what worked was having a traditional centre & fielding a traditional line up from 1-5 worked. Other factors contributed to the success w/ opponents not being able to properly game plan vs our unknown players. Having length man the paint & grab boards was effective. Having an in & out gm w/ our shooters was effective. Unfortunately we're not willing to experiment more playing legit C w/ Bam.

oreon · Post #634 » by **oreon** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:39 am

balla345 wrote:I hate to be the one to say it but our team was playing better with Lowry 3 shooters and Yurt than with Bam+Butler.

I hate to be the one to say it but our team was playing better with Lowry

Spoiler:

twix2500 · Post #635 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:38 pm

I didn't care about the win or lost last night. My concern was Bam's approach to the game. He absolutely didn't want to take any shots yesterday. All he wanted to do is set and absorb screens. When his teammates got doubled, instead of flashing to the open spot he ran to set a screen or he would go to the bird box to draw his man away. He wanted no scoring responsibility unless it was a put back.

Even in double OT, when his teammates was exhausted, he didn't want to take the scoring responsibility from them. When he had the ball in his hand he was extremely hesitant and hoping a teammate was open for a pass. I understand his hand was injured months ago but it appears to push him further back into his shell.

If this continues, the Heat will not win a chip with Bam. Can't win a chip with a 30 mill dollar player who wants to be a role player Will not win a chip with Herro as your leading in shot attempts. Butler is trying to lead this team on one leg. It can win regular season games but come playoff time coaches will expose it.

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wade44 · Post #636 » by **wade44** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:11 pm

twix2500 wrote:I didn't care about the win or lost last night. My concern was Bam's approach to the game. He absolutely didn't want to take any shots yesterday. All he wanted to do is set and absorb screens. When his teammates got doubled, instead of flashing to the open spot he ran to set a screen or he would go to the bird box to draw his man away. He wanted no scoring responsibility unless it was a put back.

Even in double OT, when his teammates was exhausted, he didn't want to take the scoring responsibility from them. When he had the ball in his hand he was extremely hesitant and hoping a teammate was open for a pass. I understand his hand was injured months ago but it appears to push him further back into his shell.

If this continues, the Heat will not win a chip with Bam. Can't win a chip with a 30 mill dollar player who wants to be a role player Will not win a chip with Herro as your leading in shot attempts. Butler is trying to lead this team on one leg. It can win regular season games but come playoff time coaches will expose it.

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Completely agree. That's been my biggest gripe with Bam. He's definitely regressed since he balled out in the bubble and as long as this continues, there's going to be a big time ceiling on this team

JLop · Post #637 » by **JLop** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:52 pm

Pharenheit wrote:
twix2500 wrote:I didn't care about the win or lost last night. My concern was Bam's approach to the game. He absolutely didn't want to take any shots yesterday. All he wanted to do is set and absorb screens. When his teammates got doubled, instead of flashing to the open spot he ran to set a screen or he would go to the bird box to draw his man away. He wanted no scoring responsibility unless it was a put back.

Even in double OT, when his teammates was exhausted, he didn't want to take the scoring responsibility from them. When he had the ball in his hand he was extremely hesitant and hoping a teammate was open for a pass. I understand his hand was injured months ago but it appears to push him further back into his shell.

If this continues, the Heat will not win a chip with Bam. Can't win a chip with a 30 mill dollar player who wants to be a role player Will not win a chip with Herro as your leading in shot attempts. Butler is trying to lead this team on one leg. It can win regular season games but come playoff time coaches will expose it.

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Completely agree. That's been my biggest gripe with Bam. He's definitely regressed since he balled out in the bubble and as long as this continues, there's going to be a big time ceiling on this team

Wouldn't we have a better team if we traded Bam for Bradley Beal and Duncan for Christian Wood? Wouldn't we maximize Jimmy's best assets by having four players who can shoot from behind the arc? I have a feeling we're showcasing Bam and Duncan before the trade deadline. That's why we haven't been using Omer, who is clearly more talented than Bam.

wade44 · Post #638 » by **wade44** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:11 pm

JLop wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:
twix2500 wrote:I didn't care about the win or lost last night. My concern was Bam's approach to the game. He absolutely didn't want to take any shots yesterday. All he wanted to do is set and absorb screens. When his teammates got doubled, instead of flashing to the open spot he ran to set a screen or he would go to the bird box to draw his man away. He wanted no scoring responsibility unless it was a put back.

Even in double OT, when his teammates was exhausted, he didn't want to take the scoring responsibility from them. When he had the ball in his hand he was extremely hesitant and hoping a teammate was open for a pass. I understand his hand was injured months ago but it appears to push him further back into his shell.

If this continues, the Heat will not win a chip with Bam. Can't win a chip with a 30 mill dollar player who wants to be a role player Will not win a chip with Herro as your leading in shot attempts. Butler is trying to lead this team on one leg. It can win regular season games but come playoff time coaches will expose it.

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Completely agree. That's been my biggest gripe with Bam. He's definitely regressed since he balled out in the bubble and as long as this continues, there's going to be a big time ceiling on this team

Wouldn't we have a better team if we traded Bam for Bradley Beal and Duncan for Christian Wood? Wouldn't we maximize Jimmy's best assets by having four players who can shoot from behind the arc? I have a feeling we're showcasing Bam and Duncan before the trade deadline. That's why we haven't been using Omer, who is clearly more talented than Bam.

I'm still a believer in Bam but only in a Draymond role where he doesn't have to be featured as a big part of the offense. Wouldn't hurt to get another scoring threat at the deadline if possible

Hallstar · Post #639 » by **Hallstar** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:00 pm

twix2500 wrote:I didn't care about the win or lost last night. My concern was Bam's approach to the game. He absolutely didn't want to take any shots yesterday. All he wanted to do is set and absorb screens. When his teammates got doubled, instead of flashing to the open spot he ran to set a screen or he would go to the bird box to draw his man away. He wanted no scoring responsibility unless it was a put back.

Even in double OT, when his teammates was exhausted, he didn't want to take the scoring responsibility from them. When he had the ball in his hand he was extremely hesitant and hoping a teammate was open for a pass. I understand his hand was injured months ago but it appears to push him further back into his shell.

If this continues, the Heat will not win a chip with Bam. Can't win a chip with a 30 mill dollar player who wants to be a role player Will not win a chip with Herro as your leading in shot attempts. Butler is trying to lead this team on one leg. It can win regular season games but come playoff time coaches will expose it.

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I've been saying this. It's not talent, it's mindset. I swear it's like he thinks if he scores too much he's not "versatile" or some foolishness

Flash4thewin · Post #640 » by **Flash4thewin** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:20 pm

JLop wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:
twix2500 wrote:I didn't care about the win or lost last night. My concern was Bam's approach to the game. He absolutely didn't want to take any shots yesterday. All he wanted to do is set and absorb screens. When his teammates got doubled, instead of flashing to the open spot he ran to set a screen or he would go to the bird box to draw his man away. He wanted no scoring responsibility unless it was a put back.

Even in double OT, when his teammates was exhausted, he didn't want to take the scoring responsibility from them. When he had the ball in his hand he was extremely hesitant and hoping a teammate was open for a pass. I understand his hand was injured months ago but it appears to push him further back into his shell.

If this continues, the Heat will not win a chip with Bam. Can't win a chip with a 30 mill dollar player who wants to be a role player Will not win a chip with Herro as your leading in shot attempts. Butler is trying to lead this team on one leg. It can win regular season games but come playoff time coaches will expose it.

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Completely agree. That's been my biggest gripe with Bam. He's definitely regressed since he balled out in the bubble and as long as this continues, there's going to be a big time ceiling on this team

Wouldn't we have a better team if we traded Bam for Bradley Beal and Duncan for Christian Wood? Wouldn't we maximize Jimmy's best assets by having four players who can shoot from behind the arc? I have a feeling we're showcasing Bam and Duncan before the trade deadline. That's why we haven't been using Omer, who is clearly more talented than Bam.

Didn't Duncan just go 0-5 and not play a minute in a triple overtime game? No one will trade for him without added first rounders to balance it out.