Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

twix2500 · Post #621 » by **twix2500** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:55 pm

Not saying no team has made a offer. But how many reports have we heard of teams making an offer for Herro or expressed interest in Herro? Think about that for a second.

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Kobewade11 · Post #622 » by **Kobewade11** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:58 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:Twix you be re-writing history RE: Winslow. The team was desperate to dump Dion and JJ’s contracts and Winslow was the asset they had to attach to get a deal done without surrendering any picks. That said, about Herro they just need to make a decision..whether that comes in a few weeks or next summer.
Actually they were gonna give up picks. The deal was supposed to be Iggy and Gallinari for Winslow, Waiters, JJ and picks. Crowder and picks was going to OKC. Gallinari, Crowder and Iggy were expiring contracts that was gonna walk in the off season. Iggy was sitting out the entire season not even willing to show up in Memphis. Memphis was just happy to get something for Iggy

The point is Winslow was not valued around the league as this fan based hoped and the Heat hoped. They started to realized that when they got turned down trading Winslow to Sacramento. The Heat had to start lowering their expectations. Winslow attitude started to spoil with the franchise. A player can only take so much.

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We certainly werent going to the finals with Gallinari. I just dont see the parallel with Winslow/Herro. I can understand the former, more than the trade rumors I think it was the fact that he was asked to play a different position every year. Herro’s name is coming up in trades for star players, contrary to some beliefs I dont think the team is hell bent on trying to trade him.

twix2500 · Post #623 » by **twix2500** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:14 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:Twix you be re-writing history RE: Winslow. The team was desperate to dump Dion and JJ’s contracts and Winslow was the asset they had to attach to get a deal done without surrendering any picks. That said, about Herro they just need to make a decision..whether that comes in a few weeks or next summer.
Actually they were gonna give up picks. The deal was supposed to be Iggy and Gallinari for Winslow, Waiters, JJ and picks. Crowder and picks was going to OKC. Gallinari, Crowder and Iggy were expiring contracts that was gonna walk in the off season. Iggy was sitting out the entire season not even willing to show up in Memphis. Memphis was just happy to get something for Iggy

The point is Winslow was not valued around the league as this fan based hoped and the Heat hoped. They started to realized that when they got turned down trading Winslow to Sacramento. The Heat had to start lowering their expectations. Winslow attitude started to spoil with the franchise. A player can only take so much.

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We certainly werent going to the finals with Gallinari. I just dont see the parallel with Winslow/Herro. I can understand the former, more than the trade rumors I think it was the fact that he was asked to play a different position every year. Herro’s name is coming up in trades for star players, contrary to some beliefs I dont think the team is hell bent on trying to trade him.

I wasn't a Gallinari fan, however majority of this fan base was. I am more in favor for Hayward than I ever was Gallinari. I was happy it didn't go thru. I was happy in getting Crowder instead, I seen the fit. If anything demoralize a player it is trade rumors. Winslow may not been happy how he was being used. How Herro is being used is a common point this fan base keep making in keeping Herro happy.

Herro is a lot more valuable than Winslow. However they have been relentless in trying to quickly trade him for a star. You do not do that if you expect him to become a star himself. Its year 4 and they still trying to put him a deal. I really don't see how you don't see the correlations between Herro and Winslow and how the Heat are dealing with them. To the point they are waiting to the last min to give him an extension ala Winslow.

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twix2500 · Post #624 » by **twix2500** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:35 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Actually they were gonna give up picks. The deal was supposed to be Iggy and Gallinari for Winslow, Waiters, JJ and picks. Crowder and picks was going to OKC. Gallinari, Crowder and Iggy were expiring contracts that was gonna walk in the off season. Iggy was sitting out the entire season not even willing to show up in Memphis. Memphis was just happy to get something for Iggy

The point is Winslow was not valued around the league as this fan based hoped and the Heat hoped. They started to realized that when they got turned down trading Winslow to Sacramento. The Heat had to start lowering their expectations. Winslow attitude started to spoil with the franchise. A player can only take so much.

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We certainly werent going to the finals with Gallinari. I just dont see the parallel with Winslow/Herro. I can understand the former, more than the trade rumors I think it was the fact that he was asked to play a different position every year. Herro’s name is coming up in trades for star players, contrary to some beliefs I dont think the team is hell bent on trying to trade him.

I wasn't a Gallinari fan, however majority of this fan base was. I am more in favor for Hayward than I ever was Gallinari. I was happy it didn't go thru. I was happy in getting Crowder instead, I seen the fit. If anything demoralize a player it is trade rumors. Winslow may not been happy how he was being used. How Herro is being used is a common point this fan base keep making in keeping Herro happy.

Herro is a lot more valuable than Winslow. However they have been relentless in trying to quickly trade him for a star. You do not do that if you expect him to become a star himself. Its year 4 and they still trying to put him a deal. I really don't see how you don't see the correlations between Herro and Winslow and how the Heat are dealing with them. To the point they are waiting to the last min to give him an extension ala Winslow.

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Let me just reinterate. I am not in favor of trading Herro. I am in favor in making the backcourt of the future as Oladipo and Herro as starting tandem together. I am in favor of moving Lowry over anyone. And making Bam the lead go-too scorer and in attempts. But I know that is unlikely this year.

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3ammy3uck3ts · Post #625 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:50 pm

Nobodies talking about Herro straight up for a star. It’s picks attached. Mitchell is absolutely a guy you trade that for, especially when your team has shown it just needs a little more to win it all. He’s an elite playoff performer and he’s very young.

You keep Herro over trading for Hayward anyways, dude is washed up and always injured.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #626 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:51 pm

twix2500 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:We certainly werent going to the finals with Gallinari. I just dont see the parallel with Winslow/Herro. I can understand the former, more than the trade rumors I think it was the fact that he was asked to play a different position every year. Herro’s name is coming up in trades for star players, contrary to some beliefs I dont think the team is hell bent on trying to trade him.

I wasn't a Gallinari fan, however majority of this fan base was. I am more in favor for Hayward than I ever was Gallinari. I was happy it didn't go thru. I was happy in getting Crowder instead, I seen the fit. If anything demoralize a player it is trade rumors. Winslow may not been happy how he was being used. How Herro is being used is a common point this fan base keep making in keeping Herro happy.

Herro is a lot more valuable than Winslow. However they have been relentless in trying to quickly trade him for a star. You do not do that if you expect him to become a star himself. Its year 4 and they still trying to put him a deal. I really don't see how you don't see the correlations between Herro and Winslow and how the Heat are dealing with them. To the point they are waiting to the last min to give him an extension ala Winslow.

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Let me just reinterate. I am not in favor of trading Herro. I am in favor in making the backcourt of the future as Oladipo and Herro as starting tandem together. I am in favor of moving Lowry over anyone. And making Bam the lead go-too scorer and in attempts. But I know that is unlikely this year.

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That last sentence is exactly what needs to happen. Either Bam or Jimmy, both need to be getting 16+ shots a game. They’re our best players and our most efficient scorers regardless of how flashy Herro looks from time to time

twix2500 · Post #627 » by **twix2500** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:53 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Nobodies talking about Herro straight up for a star. It’s picks attached. Mitchell is absolutely a guy you trade that for, especially when your team has shown it just needs a little more to win it all. He’s an elite playoff performer and he’s very young.

You keep Herro over trading for Hayward anyways, dude is washed up and always injured.

Your trading Herro for picks, Hayward and Washington. Just as your trading Winslow for Iggy and Crowder. Its the package your getting and the flexibility in a future trade. You're ignoring the package as a whole.

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twix2500 · Post #628 » by **twix2500** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:08 pm

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Kobewade11 · Post #629 » by **Kobewade11** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:46 pm

twix2500 wrote:

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And months ago people were talking about Herro like he should be getting 20 per

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #630 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:49 pm

twix2500 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Nobodies talking about Herro straight up for a star. It’s picks attached. Mitchell is absolutely a guy you trade that for, especially when your team has shown it just needs a little more to win it all. He’s an elite playoff performer and he’s very young.

You keep Herro over trading for Hayward anyways, dude is washed up and always injured.
Your trading Herro for picks, Hayward and Washington. Just as your trading Winslow for Iggy and Crowder. Its the package your getting and the flexibility in a future trade. You're ignoring the package as a whole.

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Ok that’s perfectly fine as long the package can be flipped for a star which when you factor in we’d have 5-6 picks I guess it could. Herro and winslow are not the same tho lol

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #631 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:51 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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And months ago people were talking about Herro like he should be getting 20 per

Is Herro better than CJ?

Hallstar · Post #632 » by **Hallstar** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:50 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:Twix you be re-writing history RE: Winslow. The team was desperate to dump Dion and JJ’s contracts and Winslow was the asset they had to attach to get a deal done without surrendering any picks. That said, about Herro they just need to make a decision..whether that comes in a few weeks or next summer.
Actually they were gonna give up picks. The deal was supposed to be Iggy and Gallinari for Winslow, Waiters, JJ and picks. Crowder and picks was going to OKC. Gallinari, Crowder and Iggy were expiring contracts that was gonna walk in the off season. Prior to trade the Heat agreed to new contract with Iggy but couldn't with Gallinari thus the Gallinari part never happened. Iggy was sitting out the entire season not even willing to show up in Memphis. Memphis was just happy to get something for Iggy. Heat got two players that was not being used. Waiters was the only player with no value. JJ was then traded for Dieng which this fan based wanted. JJ was a tradeable piece. This fan based didn't value him.

The point is Winslow was not valued around the league as this fan based hoped and the Heat hoped. They started to realized that when they got turned down trading Winslow to Sacramento. The Heat had to start lowering their expectations. Winslow attitude started to spoil with the franchise. A player can only take so much. Heat got players that helped regardless of this fan base approval.

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Of course Winslow wasn't valued. When he wasn't injured he couldn't shoot. He had value on draft night, and was never cared about again. Herro is being asked to also drag along 4 years of Duncan, with less picks when other teams have expirings and more picks.

Kobewade11 · Post #633 » by **Kobewade11** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:01 pm

UM football is such a joke

eddieheatfan · Post #634 » by **eddieheatfan** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:42 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:UM football is such a joke

i turned off when they were losing 17-3. how did it end? :roll:

contract · Post #635 » by **contract** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:55 am

eddieheatfan wrote:i turned off when they were losing 17-3. how did it end?

45-31

twix2500 · Post #636 » by **twix2500** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 am

Hallstar wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:Twix you be re-writing history RE: Winslow. The team was desperate to dump Dion and JJ’s contracts and Winslow was the asset they had to attach to get a deal done without surrendering any picks. That said, about Herro they just need to make a decision..whether that comes in a few weeks or next summer.
Actually they were gonna give up picks. The deal was supposed to be Iggy and Gallinari for Winslow, Waiters, JJ and picks. Crowder and picks was going to OKC. Gallinari, Crowder and Iggy were expiring contracts that was gonna walk in the off season. Prior to trade the Heat agreed to new contract with Iggy but couldn't with Gallinari thus the Gallinari part never happened. Iggy was sitting out the entire season not even willing to show up in Memphis. Memphis was just happy to get something for Iggy. Heat got two players that was not being used. Waiters was the only player with no value. JJ was then traded for Dieng which this fan based wanted. JJ was a tradeable piece. This fan based didn't value him.

The point is Winslow was not valued around the league as this fan based hoped and the Heat hoped. They started to realized that when they got turned down trading Winslow to Sacramento. The Heat had to start lowering their expectations. Winslow attitude started to spoil with the franchise. A player can only take so much. Heat got players that helped regardless of this fan base approval.

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Of course Winslow wasn't valued. When he wasn't injured he couldn't shoot. He had value on draft night, and was never cared about again. Herro is being asked to also drag along 4 years of Duncan, with less picks when other teams have expirings and more picks.

So your saying if Herro was attached to a bunch of expiring contracts the Jazz would of given Mitchell to the Heat with no draft picks? Because if that is so then they can resign Herro and trade him straight up for a star next summer easily? Right? Won't have to worry about attaching Duncan to match salaries if that is the excuse for these deals not getting done.

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twix2500 · Post #637 » by **twix2500** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:28 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Nobodies talking about Herro straight up for a star. It’s picks attached. Mitchell is absolutely a guy you trade that for, especially when your team has shown it just needs a little more to win it all. He’s an elite playoff performer and he’s very young.

You keep Herro over trading for Hayward anyways, dude is washed up and always injured.
Your trading Herro for picks, Hayward and Washington. Just as your trading Winslow for Iggy and Crowder. Its the package your getting and the flexibility in a future trade. You're ignoring the package as a whole.

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Ok that’s perfectly fine as long the package can be flipped for a star which when you factor in we’d have 5-6 picks I guess it could. Herro and winslow are not the same tho lol

But yet the Heat are treating him the same as Winslow and the league GMs are not biting the same.

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twix2500 · Post #638 » by **twix2500** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:32 am

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eddieheatfan · Post #639 » by **eddieheatfan** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:27 am

contract wrote:
eddieheatfan wrote:i turned off when they were losing 17-3. how did it end?

45-31

man that sucks, donna shallala destroyed the football program for that university. since she came and left the canes never were the same . its a shame because this was once a great force in college football

Hallstar · Post #640 » by **Hallstar** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:05 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Hallstar wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Actually they were gonna give up picks. The deal was supposed to be Iggy and Gallinari for Winslow, Waiters, JJ and picks. Crowder and picks was going to OKC. Gallinari, Crowder and Iggy were expiring contracts that was gonna walk in the off season. Prior to trade the Heat agreed to new contract with Iggy but couldn't with Gallinari thus the Gallinari part never happened. Iggy was sitting out the entire season not even willing to show up in Memphis. Memphis was just happy to get something for Iggy. Heat got two players that was not being used. Waiters was the only player with no value. JJ was then traded for Dieng which this fan based wanted. JJ was a tradeable piece. This fan based didn't value him.

The point is Winslow was not valued around the league as this fan based hoped and the Heat hoped. They started to realized that when they got turned down trading Winslow to Sacramento. The Heat had to start lowering their expectations. Winslow attitude started to spoil with the franchise. A player can only take so much. Heat got players that helped regardless of this fan base approval.

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Of course Winslow wasn't valued. When he wasn't injured he couldn't shoot. He had value on draft night, and was never cared about again. Herro is being asked to also drag along 4 years of Duncan, with less picks when other teams have expirings and more picks.

So your saying if Herro was attached to a bunch of expiring contracts the Jazz would of given Mitchell to the Heat with no draft picks? Because if that is so then they can resign Herro and trade him straight up for a star next summer easily? Right? Won't have to worry about attaching Duncan to match salaries if that is the excuse for these deals not getting done.

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If trading him is the goal, it's going to be a lot easier if he's being sold on his own than having to tag on poor long term contracts...yes

We can't on one hand say Duncan is a poor contract that needs a pick to move and then look at Herro like these "packages" are him and neutral assets