RexBoyWonder wrote:Lowry move was a big L for us. Huge L.
We overpaid in money per year, also gave him too may years, and also traded Precious and Dragic for this over the hill fat washed primadonna. Duncan sucks too, but at least he's trying his best and looks invested.
Move those 2 ASAP and hope we can add enough around Jimmy/Bam/Herro.
We didn't anticipate that he would become disinterested/unfocused & uncommitted. I mentioned how he's personal reasons for missing games was strange, plus he came back fat. This was while we were top of the East & knowing the potential to go deep in the PO's. It wasn't a good sign & absolutely affected our run. We prob beat Boston w/ an in shape & committed Lowry. Now it's simply time to ship his fat ass out.
If u don't want 2b here, the way things work, u don't like it, then don't b here.U have 2 stand on something. If Miami ain't standing on something, they become alot of these organizations trying 2 find their identity. This is the culture, bro -Wade
3ballbomber wrote:What freedom exactly? Herro averages just 1.6% FGA more than Jimmy's 14.0 FGA who's 2nd in attempts. Of 7gm's Herro has just 3 gm's where he lead in attempts. In that aspect the criticism isn't justified if the argument is he doesn't have team in mind & hijacking the offense.....If Spo's words were towards Herro that is.
Herro shouldn't be leading this team in attempts by any margin. Herro is not our best player nor is he our best offensive player. He's not second best either.
If u don't want 2b here, the way things work, u don't like it, then don't b here.U have 2 stand on something. If Miami ain't standing on something, they become alot of these organizations trying 2 find their identity. This is the culture, bro -Wade
Mike Conley (2yrs, $22.8m per) Jarred Vanderbilt (2yrs, $4.0m per) Kelly Olynyk (3yrs, $12.1m per)
I presume we'd need to include a FRP to dump Duncan.
Conley / Vincent Herro / Oladipo? Butler / Strus Olynyk / Martin / Jovic Adebayo / Vanderbilt
You just know Spo wants to roll Vanderbilt at the 5....but he could mix and match with Bam and KO lineups atleast...
Don't think Jazz takes those players. The ideal trade has to be at least a 3 team deal. I am thinking Lakers maybe the third team.
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Makes sense. Jazz get WB's expiring and a pick from us and the Lakers. I doubt WB would play for Utah, so they'd negotiate a buyout and he'd go hunting for a role on a contender. Lakers gets Lowry and Robinson to add shooting. We get Conley to replace Lowry, Vanderbilt and Olynyk. I like it.
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Mike Conley (2yrs, $22.8m per) Jarred Vanderbilt (2yrs, $4.0m per) Kelly Olynyk (3yrs, $12.1m per)
I presume we'd need to include a FRP to dump Duncan.
Conley / Vincent Herro / Oladipo? Butler / Strus Olynyk / Martin / Jovic Adebayo / Vanderbilt
You just know Spo wants to roll Vanderbilt at the 5....but he could mix and match with Bam and KO lineups atleast...
Don't think Jazz takes those players. The ideal trade has to be at least a 3 team deal. I am thinking Lakers maybe the third team.
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Makes sense. Jazz get WB's expiring and a pick from us and the Lakers. I doubt WB would play for Utah, so they'd negotiate a buyout and he'd go hunting for a role on a contender. Lakers gets Lowry and Robinson to add shooting. We get Conley to replace Lowry, Vanderbilt and Olynyk. I like it.
Lol I doubt they let Olynyk go. Likely they will trade trash THT
twix2500 wrote:Don't think Jazz takes those players. The ideal trade has to be at least a 3 team deal. I am thinking Lakers maybe the third team.
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Makes sense. Jazz get WB's expiring and a pick from us and the Lakers. I doubt WB would play for Utah, so they'd negotiate a buyout and he'd go hunting for a role on a contender. Lakers gets Lowry and Robinson to add shooting. We get Conley to replace Lowry, Vanderbilt and Olynyk. I like it.
Lol I doubt they let Olynyk go. Likely they will trade trash THT
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The Jazz have got off to a fast start, but no doubt they want to finish low in the standings and rebuild in earnest. Getting more picks and shedding useful vets like Olynyk will help them achieve that goal.
3ballbomber wrote: Gotta be something more to it. Spo's usually composed, precise w/ justified convictions. I assume it's little things & nuances that only coaching sees. Perhaps during TO's or sitting on the bench. Gestures, odd signals etc. only coaches can catch through communicating w/ players. So i won't judge w/ haste until we understand the situation at full.
Spoiler:
This also should be an internal, locker room thing rather than firing shots to the media to send a msg. I understand Herro's efforts did not produce a win but this is how greats can become great. You have to loosen the leash a bit to help them figure it out & have some freedom. I understand Spo's about system, teamwork, discipline, staying the course etc. but has to stop limiting talents @times, especially in a season where we desperately need scoring punch.
I'd much rather see Herro push the envelope a little than Bam continue to receive the ball @the elbow & look str8 to the wings for a HO than the ring to attack in spite of the paint being open.
IceColdCubano wrote: The Spo comment about agendas not being team centric was directed at Herro because of a comment Herro made during a timeout in the 4th quarter loss to the Kings. Spo also did not like that Herro's comments also had Bam jump in and agree kinda taking away from the team first mentality they want to have as a whole.
So there it is...
I appreciate the approach by Miami/Spo to stay the course w/ team-work. Ideally Herro continues to develop & improves efficiency. He's our best scorer w/ Jimmy being more efficient. Hopefully he gains trust w/ coaching allowing some freedom.
If u don't want 2b here, the way things work, u don't like it, then don't b here.U have 2 stand on something. If Miami ain't standing on something, they become alot of these organizations trying 2 find their identity. This is the culture, bro -Wade
IceColdCubano wrote:Sweet and sour dirty hairy nuggets dipped in bbq sauce.*** I am travelling this week here in Seattle, and flying tonight to Oakland CA, but I got a not so good phone call from my boy with some upsetting news.
Miami is gonna try a give it a go with Yurt hopefully next week to get him on the floor with the trainers and start some drills, if that ankle does not feel good after a few hard work outs they will be recommending surgery. They were hoping not to be here but it seems like its not healing correctly or too weak the way its currently stands. This could ultimately end up being a progressively bad over time and keep him off the floor in the coming years if its not fixed.
Dipo may not be ready until after christmas with rumblings of maybe even longer. There is substantial swelling on his other knee and they are afraid if they push Dipo to early it could lead to a tear. His muscles have gotten stronger through the off season from all the strength training and repetitive on court work but he does have an issue with his tendons/cartilage degrading which they are afraid another tear could be imminent with some of the swelling he keeps getting on his other knee during the offseason and the first game in preseason. Dipo could find himself in retirement by the end of the year, and right now he is trying to stay positive but the dude is in a bad place with more degenerative issues continuing to keep him off the basketball floor.
Lowry & Duncan have been shopped around in some trade scenarios with Miami trying to re-inforce their Front court rotations, seeing as Yurt may be out for longer than expected. There is zero market for them right now, they are being told that Lowry would be really hard to move this year if at all. With Duncan being able to be moved but will need sweeteners tied to him as far as picks, Miami does not want to give up any picks in a trade involving him.
Pat and the staff were talking about the current team would be given a buffer of 20 games before they decide to go and use assets to improve the team if they deem it necessary for playoff contention. Right now however there is still a believe its a matter of the team getting used to the starting lineup changes and some role players being able to get back into a groove. The way the team started does have everyone concerned however that we may not be able to get out of a 8-10 plus game under .500 type of hole if they get to that point in which case they may forgo the whole upgrade and decide to trade away some key pieces for next year free agency reset.
The Spo comment about agendas not being team centric was directed at Herro because of a comment Herro made during a timeout in the 4th quarter loss to the Kings. Where he disregard a play call twice to go in for a score since he felt certain players were not playing to par. The issue here is that Miami is trying to get the team to scheme were everyone is sharing the ball in order to get players showcased as they know a trade is needed to upgrade and Pat came down on Spo to scheme where we can showcase some of the players for possible trades. Unfortunately Herro apparently patience was wearing thin with schemes that pose him as a stand still 3pt shooter in order to help others get into their prefered play calls ie "Lowry, Struss, Jimmy". Spo also did not like that Herro's comments also had Bam jump in and agree kinda taking away from the team first mentality they want to have as a whole. The coaching staff wants to nip this in the butt quickly. They cannot have the team mentality feel like the current roster is not enough, they need to believe it can. Currently there are players starting to feel like we may have peaked and are hitting the wall of improvements vs talent against teams that did go out and improve with more talent.
If u don't want 2b here, the way things work, u don't like it, then don't b here.U have 2 stand on something. If Miami ain't standing on something, they become alot of these organizations trying 2 find their identity. This is the culture, bro -Wade
An interesting read, particularly as we double down on being super small...
I want nothing more than getting bruisers back in the paint the way it shld be. Though a lot of Spo small-ball detractors....what could have been had we been fully healthy in the bubble vs AD & Dwight & vs Bostons against Williams & Horford last season. Wld any success there deem small-ball criticism unjustified? Was our issue small-ball or health!
If u don't want 2b here, the way things work, u don't like it, then don't b here.U have 2 stand on something. If Miami ain't standing on something, they become alot of these organizations trying 2 find their identity. This is the culture, bro -Wade
An interesting read, particularly as we double down on being super small...
I want nothing more than getting bruisers back in the paint the way it shld be. Though a lot of Spo small-ball detractors....what could have been had we been fully healthy in the bubble vs AD & Dwight & vs Bostons against Williams & Horford last season. Wld any success there deem small-ball criticism unjustified? Was our issue small-ball or health!
To throw another variable out there - you could argue that small ball is a direct reason as to why we haven’t been healthy at the tail end of a long season. It wears you down.
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Herro plays “me me me ball” and he doesn’t care about winning. He wants his stats and that’s it. That’s why he doesn’t play D and why he just jacks up 3s.
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Ahem…Herro Goes down and the team has multiple guys in double figures, plays good D and the offense works and we beat the Warriors.
Y’all see who the problem is yet?
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You're welcome LeBron.
Tyler Herro is a TURD. Bam is NOT elite but is getting better. Fire Spoelstra! Josh Heupel is coming for you.
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An interesting read, particularly as we double down on being super small...
I want nothing more than getting bruisers back in the paint the way it shld be. Though a lot of Spo small-ball detractors....what could have been had we been fully healthy in the bubble vs AD & Dwight & vs Bostons against Williams & Horford last season. Wld any success there deem small-ball criticism unjustified? Was our issue small-ball or health!
To throw another variable out there - you could argue that small ball is a direct reason as to why we haven’t been healthy at the tail end of a long season. It wears you down.
The thing is that with the switching and the overall scheme Spo is trying to play it isn’t “small-ball” it’s actually “quick-ball”. If he had players all 6’6” and over who could play the switching style he wants and fill the offensive roles, he would. It’s 100% about speed and switchability. If Spo could upsize all the players while not sacrificing speed and agility, he 100% would.
IceColdCubano wrote:Sweet and sour dirty hairy nuggets dipped in bbq sauce.*** I am travelling this week here in Seattle, and flying tonight to Oakland CA, but I got a not so good phone call from my boy with some upsetting news.
Miami is gonna try a give it a go with Yurt hopefully next week to get him on the floor with the trainers and start some drills, if that ankle does not feel good after a few hard work outs they will be recommending surgery. They were hoping not to be here but it seems like its not healing correctly or too weak the way its currently stands. This could ultimately end up being a progressively bad over time and keep him off the floor in the coming years if its not fixed.
Dipo may not be ready until after christmas with rumblings of maybe even longer. There is substantial swelling on his other knee and they are afraid if they push Dipo to early it could lead to a tear. His muscles have gotten stronger through the off season from all the strength training and repetitive on court work but he does have an issue with his tendons/cartilage degrading which they are afraid another tear could be imminent with some of the swelling he keeps getting on his other knee during the offseason and the first game in preseason. Dipo could find himself in retirement by the end of the year, and right now he is trying to stay positive but the dude is in a bad place with more degenerative issues continuing to keep him off the basketball floor.
Lowry & Duncan have been shopped around in some trade scenarios with Miami trying to re-inforce their Front court rotations, seeing as Yurt may be out for longer than expected. There is zero market for them right now, they are being told that Lowry would be really hard to move this year if at all. With Duncan being able to be moved but will need sweeteners tied to him as far as picks, Miami does not want to give up any picks in a trade involving him.
Pat and the staff were talking about the current team would be given a buffer of 20 games before they decide to go and use assets to improve the team if they deem it necessary for playoff contention. Right now however there is still a believe its a matter of the team getting used to the starting lineup changes and some role players being able to get back into a groove. The way the team started does have everyone concerned however that we may not be able to get out of a 8-10 plus game under .500 type of hole if they get to that point in which case they may forgo the whole upgrade and decide to trade away some key pieces for next year free agency reset.
The Spo comment about agendas not being team centric was directed at Herro because of a comment Herro made during a timeout in the 4th quarter loss to the Kings. Where he disregard a play call twice to go in for a score since he felt certain players were not playing to par. The issue here is that Miami is trying to get the team to scheme were everyone is sharing the ball in order to get players showcased as they know a trade is needed to upgrade and Pat came down on Spo to scheme where we can showcase some of the players for possible trades. Unfortunately Herro apparently patience was wearing thin with schemes that pose him as a stand still 3pt shooter in order to help others get into their prefered play calls ie "Lowry, Struss, Jimmy". Spo also did not like that Herro's comments also had Bam jump in and agree kinda taking away from the team first mentality they want to have as a whole. The coaching staff wants to nip this in the butt quickly. They cannot have the team mentality feel like the current roster is not enough, they need to believe it can. Currently there are players starting to feel like we may have peaked and are hitting the wall of improvements vs talent against teams that did go out and improve with more talent.
Players and fans recognize we have hit a talent barrier.
Lowry did not come as advertised and his value was drastically miscalculated by our front office.
This was looking to be the season where Yurt was going to be given a chance. Now he's injured with something so debilitating that it could threaten the success of his career?
Dipo was suggested by many to replace Herro as 6MOY. Now he's basically retired on our dime. What a sad turn of events.
PJ leaving was tough. He was the character guy and PF that fit Spo perfectly. Lowry should have paid for him to stay tbh;) Instead of filling his spot, we got catfished and left empty handed.
Jimmy also only plays 50ish games a year. We're going to be facing a major uphill battle with him out along with our other issues.
This worries me with Bam. He's a young gun but the reality that he basically has to guard from the perimeter to the paint every possession is going to lead to inuries. It will happen at some point.
We have been dealt an awful hand this year so far. We gonna holdem or foldem?
SoFlaKingReal wrote:Doom and Gloom everywhere you look in here lmao
Guess it depends on what you want out of this team as a fan. If you're good with the team making the play in tourney and flaming out then this team is good enough for you.
If you want the team to be legit contenders for a championship then this team has glaring holes that even the casual fan can spot.
SoFlaKingReal wrote:Doom and Gloom everywhere you look in here lmao
Guess it depends on what you want out of this team as a fan. If you're good with the team making the play in tourney and flaming out then this team is good enough for you.
If you want the team to be legit contenders for a championship then this team has glaring holes that even the casual fan can spot.
Heat won last night. No point fretting over the final outcome of the season 8 games in.
I have to give it up to Ice Cold Cubano. His source was on point about Yurtseven’s injury a few months ago. Yurt tried to work his way through it and positing vanilla workouts on his instagram. Fully expecting him to need surgery here in the next few weeks leaving the team with yet another vacant roster spot they can’t fill because of the tax.
Still think Daniel Theis and TJ McConnell would be sneaky pickups for this team. Theis is a bruiser who can fit the PJ role next to Bam. He’s also got a semblance of a jumper to keep teams honest. McConnell is a Jimmy favorite and gives us some insurance at the PG spot. I would even sacrifice including attaching Vincent to Robinson to make this deal happen. Vincent is going to get a long term deal at a decent rate next year and McConnell is already locked in for a few years at a bargain rate for a backup PG. We have Dru Smith on a 2 way to fill in as the third PG.
