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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0 

Post#621 » by Wiltside » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:44 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ve been seeing prime Gordon Hayward comparisons for JJJ and I can somewhat see it. That would be amazing if so, I have some hot takes on a couple players on this team but I’ll keep to myself for now.

I’ll tell you one thing that isn’t a hot take, even I may have been selling Bam short. I was thinking 25-12-4 with the best defense in the world as his peak. That’s clearly a top 10 player.

Now I’m thinking 28 PPG in 3 years is doable at his peak depending on role. He’s at 23 now but as he continues to figure it out his efficiency is going to increase, that alone will be a solid 2 points a game bump. Then when they finally decide to make the 3 ball a part of his game that should help as well and he will be a Bosh level shooter. His touch is too good and form is good for jump shots.

28-12-5 and the best defender in the world.


28 might be a stretch, but 25/12/5 would still far surpass any expectations I’ve ever had for Edrice. He’s showing out this season, and it’s great to see.

Hayward is a decent comp for Jaquez. I’d say Jaquez will be a better defender, and Hayward the better distance shooter.
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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0 

Post#622 » by dshearn » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:50 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ve been seeing prime Gordon Hayward comparisons for JJJ and I can somewhat see it. That would be amazing if so, I have some hot takes on a couple players on this team but I’ll keep to myself for now.

I’ll tell you one thing that isn’t a hot take, even I may have been selling Bam short. I was thinking 25-12-4 with the best defense in the world as his peak. That’s clearly a top 10 player.

Now I’m thinking 28 PPG in 3 years is doable at his peak depending on role. He’s at 23 now but as he continues to figure it out his efficiency is going to increase, that alone will be a solid 2 points a game bump. Then when they finally decide to make the 3 ball a part of his game that should help as well and he will be a Bosh level shooter. His touch is too good and form is good for jump shots.

28-12-5 and the best defender in the world.

Use is probably his limiting factor at this point

25-28....I think it has less to do with Bam, and more to do with how the offense is going to run going into the future.
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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0 

Post#623 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:13 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ve been seeing prime Gordon Hayward comparisons for JJJ and I can somewhat see it. That would be amazing if so, I have some hot takes on a couple players on this team but I’ll keep to myself for now.

I’ll tell you one thing that isn’t a hot take, even I may have been selling Bam short. I was thinking 25-12-4 with the best defense in the world as his peak. That’s clearly a top 10 player.

Now I’m thinking 28 PPG in 3 years is doable at his peak depending on role. He’s at 23 now but as he continues to figure it out his efficiency is going to increase, that alone will be a solid 2 points a game bump. Then when they finally decide to make the 3 ball a part of his game that should help as well and he will be a Bosh level shooter. His touch is too good and form is good for jump shots.

28-12-5 and the best defender in the world.


28 might be a stretch, but 25/12/5 would still far surpass any expectations I’ve ever had for Edrice. He’s showing out this season, and it’s great to see.

Hayward is a decent comp for Jaquez. I’d say Jaquez will be a better defender, and Hayward the better distance shooter.


I think Bam right now is about 80% of what he’ll be an it’ll be pretty minor tweaks to get him where he needs to be. Time will tell
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Post#624 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:14 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ve been seeing prime Gordon Hayward comparisons for JJJ and I can somewhat see it. That would be amazing if so, I have some hot takes on a couple players on this team but I’ll keep to myself for now.

I’ll tell you one thing that isn’t a hot take, even I may have been selling Bam short. I was thinking 25-12-4 with the best defense in the world as his peak. That’s clearly a top 10 player.

Now I’m thinking 28 PPG in 3 years is doable at his peak depending on role. He’s at 23 now but as he continues to figure it out his efficiency is going to increase, that alone will be a solid 2 points a game bump. Then when they finally decide to make the 3 ball a part of his game that should help as well and he will be a Bosh level shooter. His touch is too good and form is good for jump shots.

28-12-5 and the best defender in the world.

Use is probably his limiting factor at this point

25-28....I think it has less to do with Bam, and more to do with how the offense is going to run going into the future.


I agree; it’s going to depend on role. Is he playing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option offensively pretty much
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Post#625 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:14 pm

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Post#626 » by Vertical Limit » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:20 pm

We win that game yesterday if the right version of Butler was available.. if the coasting version was there.. probably get blown out..
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Post#627 » by eddieheatfan » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:58 pm

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A lot of times its better for the kids because the parents should stop fighting and focus on their kids.

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Post#628 » by eddieheatfan » Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:01 am

Vertical Limit wrote:We win that game yesterday if the right version of Butler was available.. if the coasting version was there.. probably get blown out..
the heat should win the next two pacers game
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Post#629 » by Vertical Limit » Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:44 am

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marson wrote:Damn. Coach Spo just got divorced.

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Eh, hopefully it doesnt become a distraction.. and hopefully the media respects his privacy and keep that topic away from the press room. None of our business what went down and hope it stays that way..
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Post#630 » by AirP. » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:18 am

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marson wrote:Damn. Coach Spo just got divorced.

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Eh, hopefully it doesnt become a distraction.. and hopefully the media respects his privacy and keep that topic away from the press room. None of our business what went down and hope it stays that way..

Ethan mentioned that the Miami reporters knew of this and it this has been going on in the background since last seasons, so I think Spoelstra is handling it well.
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Post#631 » by AirP. » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:20 am

Is it sad that someone this young is by far putting out the most interesting information about the team vs the other career Heat reporters?
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Post#632 » by KingDavid » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:01 am

marson wrote:Damn. Coach Spo just got divorced.

That's crazy
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Post#633 » by Daffy » Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:01 am

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Anyways, get me DFS and Dinwiddie!!


I'm actually surprised we're looking at wing depth. We're actually pretty deep on the wings.
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Post#634 » by marson » Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:27 am

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Anyways, get me DFS and Dinwiddie!!


I'm actually surprised we're looking at wing depth. We're actually pretty deep on the wings.


DFS will play the four and will start here. A much-proven vet compared to Highsmith.

But Highsmith won't be also not too bad all things considered.
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Post#635 » by VaDe255 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:47 am

I rather just have HH, he is younger, been in the Heat system longer and has been impressive on the defensive end. High amount of deflections, steals and blocks.
The time HH got in the playoffs last season he looked very good. Only small concern is his 3p shot, ideal is slightly above 36%, but even at 34% where he is right now it would be acceptable.
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Post#636 » by marson » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:05 am

VaDe255 wrote:I rather just have HH, he is younger, been in the Heat system longer and has been impressive on the defensive end. High amount of deflections, steals and blocks.
The time HH got in the playoffs last season he looked very good. Only small concern is his 3p shot, ideal is slightly above 36%, but even at 34% where he is right now it would be acceptable.


Surprisingly DFS is shooting 44% from 3s this season with good defense.

If we can get him without giving up too much, that's a win.
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Post#637 » by VaDe255 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:37 am

marson wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:I rather just have HH, he is younger, been in the Heat system longer and has been impressive on the defensive end. High amount of deflections, steals and blocks.
The time HH got in the playoffs last season he looked very good. Only small concern is his 3p shot, ideal is slightly above 36%, but even at 34% where he is right now it would be acceptable.


Surprisingly DFS is shooting 44% from 3s this season with good defense.

If we can get him without giving up too much, that's a win.


While DFS's current 44% shooting from 3-point range is impressive, it's important to consider his career average of 36%, which suggests he's an average shooter overall. We shouldn't expect him to maintain such a high percentage consistently. In terms of offense, DFS does have an edge, particularly with his scoring ability.

However, when it comes to defense, HH clearly outshines DFS, in terms of deflections, steals, and blocks. This defensive prowess is crucial, especially considering the team's dynamics when Herro returns.

Furthermore, the financial aspect is significant. DFS is on a 14m/15m/15m deal, whereas HH is currently on a much more budget-friendly 2m deal and would probably be resigned for a cheaper deal, leaving room for another signing. This aspect should not be overlooked when considering the overall impact of each player on the team's strategy and salary cap situation.
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Post#638 » by Wiltside » Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:49 am

Alondes Williams dropped 42 for Sioux Falls the other night. Averaging 20/4/6 for the season so far.

6’4” and 210lbs. Could be an option if we need to replace Dru on the cheap. Maybe we’re holding out til we can sign 10 days?

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Post#639 » by greg4012 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:01 pm

Wiltside wrote:Sad for Spo. It’ll be tough to maintain focus on basketball when life and kids are a priority. Hope for the best for everyone concerned.


This has been happening for the past year plus. It's just publicly announced now. If anything, last season reflected Spo's reaction to the divorce.
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Post#640 » by greg4012 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:05 pm

AirP. wrote:Is it sad that someone this young is by far putting out the most interesting information about the team vs the other career Heat reporters?
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Agreed--he actually understands basketball and puts out content through that lens rather than just fishing for narratives. It's refreshing.x

Coup & Brady Hawk is really all I care to pay attention to among Heat media during the season.

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