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2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#621 » by fincane30 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:37 pm

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A complete teardown, trade anyone with value, eat some bad contracts for assets, etc. If this front office is so good they’ll have it turned around in 5 years with the plethora of assets they have and the fact that they actually ARE good at drafting.



Ah raze the franchise to the ground and hope a phoenix rises from the ashes. It could be a pigeon that rises but you'll take that chance.

You get on the line with Bam and tell him to ask out. Riley trades Herro for Klay Thompson and a 2nd round pick swap and lets go.


Well we sure as fuxk aren’t going to prioritize building a contender, they’ve made that very clear. So should we just keep fighting for the 9-10 seed with minimal assets? I’ve been pumping the all in train for years but they’re too delusional about the roster to do that. Now I’m swapping to a blow it up and accumulate assets stance


Not trading for Durant and not giving Jimmy his extension are two moves based in reality. Delusion would've been extending Butler who is a part time player even when he is available. Believing he would stay healthy enough and his body wouldn't fail him. He's now got a streak of three straight postseasons of his body being compromised health wise. Thats with plenty of load management.

Delusion is watching these playoffs and believing Kevin Durant is capable of playing 4 rounds of high level basketball with what would remain of this roster. Asking him to play 38-40 minutes a night for two months with Keshad Johnson, Pelle Larson and minimum guys as the core of your bench. For the first time in several years, they're saying we're not good enough and Durant wasn't going to make us good enough. Now we'll see what they do.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#622 » by SoFlaKingReal » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:38 pm

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Why are we collectively assuming that another team doesnt take him ahead of us?

Yahoo has him going 17th. Espn has him going 20th to us but said he has fans in exec rooms that pick earlier than us and wouldn't be surprised to see him go 16-19 range.

Edit : sorry for being a downer but its just been disappointment and misdirection lately. Im not getting my hopes up or invested in anyone until after the draft. We dont even know if we are making a pick tomorrow.


100%.

If he'd drafted before us, there are other quality options.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#623 » by VaDe255 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:40 pm

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fincane30 wrote:Ah raze the franchise to the ground and hope a phoenix rises from the ashes. It could be a pigeon that rises but you'll take that chance.

You get on the line with Bam and tell him to ask out. Riley trades Herro for Klay Thompson and a 2nd round pick swap and lets go.

????

Y'all are just on here saying anything. Dog days of the summer lol. (I do understand you're being sarcastic by the way...I think :o )


I am. We've got a number people comparing Herro to Poole and Simons on one hand and on the other saying to trade him right now for assets because they fear that he'll take nothing less than a max and the Heat will give it to him. Well if he's one of those guys the market is saying you're getting nothing of real value for him. In the Simons case you're trading picks away while taking on a bad contract. And the player coming back is more valuable at this moment as a teacher to young guys than an on court asset for Portland.


Herro will likely get the max, not sure if he is really worth it, but Bobby Marks basically projected him to be, so this is likely his market value.

Don't know why it's needed to make up nonsense narratives, when trades go both ways and we just saw Bane go for 3 FRPs.
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Post#624 » by SerialChiller » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:43 pm

Wiltside wrote:People way too off Tyler at the moment. I get a lot of SG’s are getting moved, but the Bane one is probably closest to his actual comp as far as quality is concerned.

Simons had a down year and shot 42%. McCollum is 34 before the next season starts. Poole is a bit of a head case and puts up numbers on a crap team. Cam Thomas is a black hole but is comparable I suppose.

You can win with Tyler as your second or third option, surrounded by the right team. He improved this year. He could improve again next year. If it makes sense to move him though for a rebuild, so be it, provided we get adequate compensation and draft picks.


Yeah I think the thought is if you can get anything even close to the haul the Grizz got for Bane then Id obviously jump all over it. But I just dont find it likely and so keeping him for now makes sense. A big reset is starting to look tempting though in the wake of all these offseason strikeouts and continued playin results and without quality draft picks to utilize. Somethings gotta give...

We dont seem to manage to sell high very often and so Im sure some are thinking nows a chance to try.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#625 » by fincane30 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:48 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:????

Y'all are just on here saying anything. Dog days of the summer lol. (I do understand you're being sarcastic by the way...I think :o )


I am. We've got a number people comparing Herro to Poole and Simons on one hand and on the other saying to trade him right now for assets because they fear that he'll take nothing less than a max and the Heat will give it to him. Well if he's one of those guys the market is saying you're getting nothing of real value for him. In the Simons case you're trading picks away while taking on a bad contract. And the player coming back is more valuable at this moment as a teacher to young guys than an on court asset for Portland.


Herro will likely get the max, not sure if he is really worth it, but Bobby Marks basically projected him to be, so this is likely his market value.

Don't know why it's needed to make up nonsense narratives, when trades go both ways and we just saw Bane go for 3 FRPs.


And I'm talking to the people specifically who think Bane is a much better player and still want to recoup assets for Herro. Simons and Poole getting traded fired up the comparisons. "Look at all the teams trading their offense only 2 guards, we should do that too". Well now they know the price. It aint much of anything. So the dreams of getting multiple 1st for Herro should be dead if he is in the tier they think he is.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#626 » by carnageta » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:48 pm

WCJ is the next Damian Lillard.


We finally got him, boiiiis :wink:
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Post#627 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:02 pm

Wiltside wrote:People way too off Tyler at the moment. I get a lot of SG’s are getting moved, but the Bane one is probably closest to his actual comp as far as quality is concerned.

Simons had a down year and shot 42%. McCollum is 34 before the next season starts. Poole is a bit of a head case and puts up numbers on a crap team. Cam Thomas is a black hole but is comparable I suppose.

You can win with Tyler as your second or third option, surrounded by the right team. He improved this year. He could improve again next year. If it makes sense to move him though for a rebuild, so be it, provided we get adequate compensation and draft picks.


Yup. It's all about VALUE.

If you can get 3-4 high quality picks for Herro - sure, do it. Because he's good but not great, flawed but useful in the right role.

If you can extend him for 25-30 Mil per, that's also a fine move

As long as you don't over value him in neither your team planning or with your cap space allocution - he can defently be a useful piece on a good team.

people suddenly act like we HAVE TO move him just for the sake of moving him. That's silly.

You should move Herro if you get a good offer for him in a trade, or if you think he'll get an outside $$$ offer you won't want to match - and then you'll lose him nothing. in that case you need to act sooner and move him for any type of value before hand.

Honestly, I'm not sure any team will offer him more then 30 MIl$ per. And at that price range I have no issue with extending him, because it won't render our ability to build a good team with him being just a piece, and not THE main piece.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#629 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:08 pm

Wiltside wrote:People way too off Tyler at the moment. I get a lot of SG’s are getting moved, but the Bane one is probably closest to his actual comp as far as quality is concerned.

Simons had a down year and shot 42%. McCollum is 34 before the next season starts. Poole is a bit of a head case and puts up numbers on a crap team. Cam Thomas is a black hole but is comparable I suppose.

You can win with Tyler as your second or third option, surrounded by the right team. He improved this year. He could improve again next year. If it makes sense to move him though for a rebuild, so be it, provided we get adequate compensation and draft picks.


Idk if we’re off on Tyler, I think just realistic about what he is. All of those guys are comparable to him, he’s not substantially better than any. We have never won with Tyler as a 2nd or 3rd option (especially in the playoffs) at a high level, it always came with him off the bench (2020) or with him being hurt and sliding a specialist in his place that fit better next to our top guys (2023)

That’s simply just the truth
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#630 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:10 pm

What’s the consensus amongst the forum on Jaylen Brown? Is pursuing him a waste of time? Would getting him get rid of the sour taste of missing out on KD? What’s the most you’d offer for him? That contract is pretty hefty. We could trade the 20th pick for a year that would help us unlock a 4th 1st to trade for him like Indy just did. Would we move mountains like that to get Bam/Jaylen/Ware/Herro together?

We’re surely showing interest but probably unwilling to part with Jaime and Pelle
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Post#631 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:14 pm

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Post#633 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:15 pm

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Post#634 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:17 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:What’s the consensus amongst the forum on Jaylen Brown? Is pursuing him a waste of time? Would getting him get rid of the sour taste of missing out on KD? What’s the most you’d offer for him? That contract is pretty hefty. We could trade the 20th pick for a year that would help us unlock a 4th 1st to trade for him like Indy just did. Would we move mountains like that to get Bam/Jaylen/Ware/Herro together?

We’re surely showing interest but probably unwilling to part with Jaime and Pelle

Zero chance not even bothering discussing it. I thought Holiday had a chance to be here but i don’t think Boston is trading Brown to us. Whoever deals for him will be eating a good chunk of salary. BK will be all over this and maybe Utah.
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Post#635 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:17 pm

Celtics trading their washed, negative value, semi-broken, over paid unwanted players/contracts for better value then we got for Jimmy.

What a time to be alive.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#636 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:19 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:What’s the consensus amongst the forum on Jaylen Brown? Is pursuing him a waste of time? Would getting him get rid of the sour taste of missing out on KD? What’s the most you’d offer for him? That contract is pretty hefty. We could trade the 20th pick for a year that would help us unlock a 4th 1st to trade for him like Indy just did. Would we move mountains like that to get Bam/Jaylen/Ware/Herro together?

We’re surely showing interest but probably unwilling to part with Jaime and Pelle

Zero chance not even bothering discussing it. I thought Holiday had a chance to be here but i don’t think Boston is trading Brown to us. Whoever deals for him will be eating a good chunk of salary. BK will be all over this and maybe Utah.


I’ll be curious to see how it plays out, Brown will have a say in where he goes so unless he just misses Ainge it won’t be Utah and I’m not sure how much interest he’d have going to the Nets.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#637 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:20 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Celtics trading their washed, negative value, semi-broken, over paid unwanted players/contracts for better value then we got for Jimmy.

What a time to be alive.

Yeah watch BK trade Claxton, Johnson, and picks for Jaylen Brown.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#638 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:22 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:What’s the consensus amongst the forum on Jaylen Brown? Is pursuing him a waste of time? Would getting him get rid of the sour taste of missing out on KD? What’s the most you’d offer for him? That contract is pretty hefty. We could trade the 20th pick for a year that would help us unlock a 4th 1st to trade for him like Indy just did. Would we move mountains like that to get Bam/Jaylen/Ware/Herro together?

We’re surely showing interest but probably unwilling to part with Jaime and Pelle

Zero chance not even bothering discussing it. I thought Holiday had a chance to be here but i don’t think Boston is trading Brown to us. Whoever deals for him will be eating a good chunk of salary. BK will be all over this and maybe Utah.


I’ll be curious to see how it plays out, Brown will have a say in where he goes so unless he just misses Ainge it won’t be Utah and I’m not sure how much interest he’d have going to the Nets.

No matter what i can assure you it won’t be Miami. Last on the list plain and simple. Brown is locked up in contract he won’t have a say
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Post#639 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:22 pm

Got a feeling Draft night will play out like Friday the 13th for our fan base.

I'll wait with my tank thread till it's over.
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Post#640 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:24 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Zero chance not even bothering discussing it. I thought Holiday had a chance to be here but i don’t think Boston is trading Brown to us. Whoever deals for him will be eating a good chunk of salary. BK will be all over this and maybe Utah.


I’ll be curious to see how it plays out, Brown will have a say in where he goes so unless he just misses Ainge it won’t be Utah and I’m not sure how much interest he’d have going to the Nets.

No matter what i can assure you it won’t be Miami. Last on the list plain and simple. Brown is locked up in contract he won’t have a say


I agree won’t be Miami, he’ll definitely have a big say though lol they’re not going to do him like that after everything he’s been through with them and being key in a championship. They’ll probably convince him on the Spurs or Houston to put him in a great situation
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