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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#641 » by contract » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:01 pm

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If the Palm Beach post put that in their article, they are clueless. We had renounce Wade in order to resign Whiteside. If Miami uses bird rights on Wade, there is no Hassan Whiteside. Dumb suggestion by Post (if true, I haven't read it).

I deleted that paragraph after I read some social media reactions to the piece, because I realized I was just going by the info in the article. Nevertheless, your point still brings up the issues of Wade feeling like he wasn't a priority and the question of why Whiteside didn't take less, considering Wade had a little bit to do with his big deal, at least in terms of the calculus of his offensive worth. There has still been no good answer as to why he was willing to do that for Durant and Wade, but apparently not just Wade, according to Winderman's weaselly explanation.

There isn't any reason for Whiteside to take a pay cut for Wade. Whiteside would be a moron to put himself in the same situation Wade was in of financing Pat's poor cap management. In 2010, the Big 3 all agreed to take less money so the Heat could sign Mike Miller. That cost each of them millions of dollars. After 3 years Miller was amnestied, but they were all still taking a hit on their salaries. The same thing supposedly happened last season with Dragic. Supposedly he took less so the Heat could pay Wade $20 million. Now Wade is gone, and Dragic is still paying for that 1 season for another 3 or 4 years.

It's unfair to put that on Whiteside or Dragic or any other player. Managing the cap is Pat Riley's job.

For anyone who doesn't understand what I mean in the post above, if you assume that Dragic took $2 million less last season so that the Heat could pay Wade, that is NOT a $2 million sacrifice. Over the life of his 5 year contract, that comes out to > $10 million dollars to rent Wade for 1 season.

Pat was talking about how teams should get their picks back if the player they sign & traded for leaves before the pick is used ... I wonder if he feels the same about money players leave on the table. I wonder how he'd feel about Dragic demanding $8 million back from the Heat since it's no longer needed to pay Wade. :lol:
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#642 » by Heat3 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:00 pm

^^^

well the players union can always advocate for the ability to renegotiate contracts. i'm sure the owners will love it if they get that chance too....
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#643 » by contract » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:49 pm

Heat3 wrote:^^^

well the players union can always advocate for the ability to renegotiate contracts. i'm sure the owners will love it if they get that chance too....

Apparently you can. Harden just got renegotiated.
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Post#644 » by Heat3 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:02 pm

he got a contract extension as he was entering the last year of his contract. some other rules in there that wouldn't apply to all playerss/situations.
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#645 » by Shewasfly » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:52 pm

So it turns out its actually $50 million over 2 years for the much lauded, highly sacrificial 38 year old (or what was the word being used for Wade who is 4 years younger and wanted the same deal, ancient?) Dirk Nowitzki.

Disgusting display by Riley this off season.
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Post#646 » by QUIZ » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:09 pm

The Mavericks are pretty much the exact opposite of what I want us to be.

That Harrison Barnes deal... why Mark? Why?
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Post#647 » by QUIZ » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:28 pm

Also in regards to Dirk only 30 of the 50mill is guaranteed. The rest is a team option.
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#648 » by Shewasfly » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:47 pm

QUIZ wrote:Also in regards to Dirk only 30 of the 50mill is guaranteed. The rest is a team option.


If he decides to play in 2018 he will get that money from his team no questions asked I'm sure. Loyalty isn't one sided over there it doesn't seem.
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#649 » by QUIZ » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:11 pm

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QUIZ wrote:Also in regards to Dirk only 30 of the 50mill is guaranteed. The rest is a team option.


If he decides to play in 2018 he will get that money from his team no questions asked I'm sure. Loyalty isn't one sided over there it doesn't seem.

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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#650 » by HeatFanDan » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:20 pm

QUIZ wrote:The Mavericks are pretty much the exact opposite of what I want us to be.

That Harrison Barnes deal... why Mark? Why?

Guess Mark Cuban didn't watch the Finals. lol
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#651 » by Shewasfly » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:25 pm

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QUIZ wrote:Also in regards to Dirk only 30 of the 50mill is guaranteed. The rest is a team option.


If he decides to play in 2018 he will get that money from his team no questions asked I'm sure. Loyalty isn't one sided over there it doesn't seem.

Yup he can ride off into the sunset with max player Harrison Barnes as his successor.


Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Harrison Barnes is better at least right now than anyone currently on our team. He's certainly a better building block for a championship team than anything we have on the wing. One awful finals series doesn't erase that he's a good player, if it did LeBron shouldn't be on anybody's HOF list since he's had two already even when going thru a weak east.
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#652 » by QUIZ » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:32 pm

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If he decides to play in 2018 he will get that money from his team no questions asked I'm sure. Loyalty isn't one sided over there it doesn't seem.

Yup he can ride off into the sunset with max player Harrison Barnes as his successor.


Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Harrison Barnes is better at least right now than anyone currently on our team. He's certainly a better building block for a championship team than anything we have on the wing. One awful finals series doesn't erase that he's a good player, if it did LeBron shouldn't be on anybody's HOF list since he's had two already even when going thru a weak east.

I completely disagree. Harrison Barnes isn't even better than Chandler Parsons who he's replacing. I couldn't care less about his finals choking. He's been spoon feed his entire career producing 10ppg and average defense. Those are not the makings of a $94mill man.
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Post#653 » by QUIZ » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:35 pm

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QUIZ wrote:The Mavericks are pretty much the exact opposite of what I want us to be.

That Harrison Barnes deal... why Mark? Why?

Guess Mark Cuban didn't watch the Finals. lol

He wanted DeAndre Jordan first but he said no so he settled for Javale McGee, he wanted Hassan after that but he too said no so he settled for max Harrison Barnes and Bogut.

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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#654 » by Shewasfly » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:38 pm

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QUIZ wrote:Yup he can ride off into the sunset with max player Harrison Barnes as his successor.


Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Harrison Barnes is better at least right now than anyone currently on our team. He's certainly a better building block for a championship team than anything we have on the wing. One awful finals series doesn't erase that he's a good player, if it did LeBron shouldn't be on anybody's HOF list since he's had two already even when going thru a weak east.

I completely disagree. Harrison Barnes isn't even better than Chandler Parsons who he's replacing. I couldn't care less about his finals choking. He's been spoon feed his entire career producing 10ppg and average defense. Those are not the makings of a $94mill man.


We paid similar and gave up a lot more for an older Dragic with less production. I think Dallas will be fine.
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Post#655 » by KingDavid » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:55 pm

Did Dallas go over the cap to sign Dirk?
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Post#656 » by KingDavid » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:58 pm

Shewasfly wrote:
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Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Harrison Barnes is better at least right now than anyone currently on our team. He's certainly a better building block for a championship team than anything we have on the wing. One awful finals series doesn't erase that he's a good player, if it did LeBron shouldn't be on anybody's HOF list since he's had two already even when going thru a weak east.

I completely disagree. Harrison Barnes isn't even better than Chandler Parsons who he's replacing. I couldn't care less about his finals choking. He's been spoon feed his entire career producing 10ppg and average defense. Those are not the makings of a $94mill man.


We paid similar and gave up a lot more for an older Dragic with less production. I think Dallas will be fine.

How is 10ppg better production than Dragic?
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Post#657 » by dolphinatik » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:07 am

Shewasfly wrote:So it turns out its actually $50 million over 2 years for the much lauded, highly sacrificial 38 year old (or what was the word being used for Wade who is 4 years younger and wanted the same deal, ancient?) Dirk Nowitzki.

Disgusting display by Riley this off season.


true but Dirk also played for 7 and 8 mil the last couple years so no compare
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#658 » by Shewasfly » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:07 am

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QUIZ wrote:I completely disagree. Harrison Barnes isn't even better than Chandler Parsons who he's replacing. I couldn't care less about his finals choking. He's been spoon feed his entire career producing 10ppg and average defense. Those are not the makings of a $94mill man.


We paid similar and gave up a lot more for an older Dragic with less production. I think Dallas will be fine.

How is 10ppg better production than Dragic?


Points per game is not the only type of production there is.

Harrison Barnes is like 23 or 24, was the 5th or 4th at best option on a championship team and played good D and guarded multiple positions. If $94 million is too much for him with this cap, what on earth was 4 picks and $85 million for a 29 year old?
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#659 » by QUIZ » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:14 am

KingDavid wrote:Did Dallas go over the cap to sign Dirk?

Edit: Never mind no they didn't.

They're 3.5mill below the luxury tax threshold.
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Re: Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread 

Post#660 » by Legend Of Chim » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:23 am

Shewasfly wrote:
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Shewasfly wrote:
We paid similar and gave up a lot more for an older Dragic with less production. I think Dallas will be fine.

How is 10ppg better production than Dragic?


Points per game is not the only type of production there is.

Harrison Barnes is like 23 or 24, was the 5th or 4th at best option on a championship team and played good D and guarded multiple positions. If $94 million is too much for him with this cap, what on earth was 4 picks and $85 million for a 29 year old?


5th or 4th best option(lol) yet he couldnt play in crunch time in the finals because of his inability to produce when his team needed him to. bricked wide-open shots and is probably the most significant reason why the Warriors didnt repeat. Lets not make Harrison Barnes better than he is. he's a mediocre player and the contract he got from Dallas is more than his actual value. another reason why everyone was hoping that Durant would go somewhere besides GS is so they would be forced to match Dallas on the contract offer they gave him; hamstringing them for seasons to come with his albatross of a contract around the teams neck

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