Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Who is he hugging in that photo? Is that Kyle?

[AirP.]

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Who is he hugging in that photo? Is that Kyle?

I would say yes... the guy he got traded for and who he got paid an extra 20 million dollars for, so it's a well-deserved hug. After it was known Giannis was signing the supermax the 2021 plan was over, no need wait on Bam and keep his low cap number that season so they extended Bam and with that, gave Dragic a 2 year deal with a team option for 20 mil a year which they opted into so they could match salaries on a Lowry trade since they wouldn't have the cap space to sign him as a free agent.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Who is he hugging in that photo? Is that Kyle?

I would say yes... the guy he got traded for and who he got paid an extra 20 million dollars for, so it's a well-deserved hug. After it was known Giannis was signing the supermax the 2021 plan was over, no need wait on Bam and keep his low cap number that season so they extended Bam and with that, gave Dragic a 2 year deal with a team option for 20 mil a year which they opted into so they could match salaries on a Lowry trade since they wouldn't have the cap space to sign him as a free agent.

I'm just saying it's nice to see Kyle and Dragic greeting each other so warmly cause I think it makes all the sense in the world right now to sign Dragic and have him come in as the backup PG and give Lowry some much needed relief behind him. I know signing Dragic now gets us into the super tax but we have until the deadline to dump Dru Smith's contract to get out of it. I think we have one 2nd rd pick in the cupboard to make it happen if it came down to it. Even if Dragic is just in the break in case of emergency UD role or just getting 10 min a night it's all good.

[Daffy]

Who is he hugging in that photo? Is that Kyle?

I would say yes... the guy he got traded for and who he got paid an extra 20 million dollars for, so it's a well-deserved hug. After it was known Giannis was signing the supermax the 2021 plan was over, no need wait on Bam and keep his low cap number that season so they extended Bam and with that, gave Dragic a 2 year deal with a team option for 20 mil a year which they opted into so they could match salaries on a Lowry trade since they wouldn't have the cap space to sign him as a free agent.

I'm just saying it's nice to see Kyle and Dragic greeting each other so warmly cause I think it makes all the sense in the world right now to sign Dragic and have him come in as the backup PG and give Lowry some much needed relief behind him. I know signing Dragic now gets us into the super tax but we have until the deadline to dump Dru Smith's contract to get out of it. I think we have one 2nd rd pick in the cupboard to make it happen if it came down to it. Even if Dragic is just in the break in case of emergency UD role or just getting 10 min a night it's all good.

Lol this is kind of why we don't have much assets. Using a 2nd to burn getting rid of Dru and adding a washed Dragic is bad asset management.

[AirP.]

I would say yes... the guy he got traded for and who he got paid an extra 20 million dollars for, so it's a well-deserved hug. After it was known Giannis was signing the supermax the 2021 plan was over, no need wait on Bam and keep his low cap number that season so they extended Bam and with that, gave Dragic a 2 year deal with a team option for 20 mil a year which they opted into so they could match salaries on a Lowry trade since they wouldn't have the cap space to sign him as a free agent.

I'm just saying it's nice to see Kyle and Dragic greeting each other so warmly cause I think it makes all the sense in the world right now to sign Dragic and have him come in as the backup PG and give Lowry some much needed relief behind him. I know signing Dragic now gets us into the super tax but we have until the deadline to dump Dru Smith's contract to get out of it. I think we have one 2nd rd pick in the cupboard to make it happen if it came down to it. Even if Dragic is just in the break in case of emergency UD role or just getting 10 min a night it's all good.

Lol this is kind of why we don't have much assets. Using a 2nd to burn getting rid of Dru and adding a washed Dragic is bad asset management.

Nah... if you want a 2nd round pick you can usually just buy a 2nd round pick if you want from another team, it's why all this trading of 2nd round picks as valuable assets is confusing. The NBA gives each team the ability to send out some cash each year (last I checked a few years ago it was around 5 mil), some send them in trades, some buy picks.

Now first round picks... those are the assets, not only do you have a shot at a high level player depending on where that team finishes, you also have a possible cost-controlled player for up to 4 years.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Anyways, get me DFS and Dinwiddie!!

I'm actually surprised we're looking at wing depth. We're actually pretty deep on the wings.

DFS will play the four and will start here. A much-proven vet compared to Highsmith.

But Highsmith won't be also not too bad all things considered.

Yep, starters and bench both get stronger here

[AirP.]

I'm actually surprised we're looking at wing depth. We're actually pretty deep on the wings.

DFS will play the four and will start here. A much-proven vet compared to Highsmith.

But Highsmith won't be also not too bad all things considered.

Yep, starters and bench both get stronger here

He's under contract for 2 more seasons (2nd is a player option but might opt in at age 32) and there is a value there to have a player under contract at a price you are good with vs having players like Highsmith and C.Martin who will be a FA after this season (Martin has a player option) and could just leave for nothing like Vincent recently did.

[Beenie]

DFS makes about 14m which is not exactly an easy figure for Mia to match based the current makeup of the roster.

Mia would either have to put together a package around Martin (6.8m) with 2 or 3 other players with lesser salaries to make the numbers work.

Or trade either Duncan or Lowry who both make more than DFS and then the Nets would have to package other salaries with DFS.

I don't see Mia trading Duncan in this deal.

That leaves Lowry and unless Mia acquires a PG with DFS, it wouldn't make much sense.

So the obvious assumption is DFS packaged with Dinwiddie which means a realistic starting framework of a deal would be Lowry and Jovic for DFS and Dinwiddie.

Not sure if Brooklyn would like that offer.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

DFS makes about 14m which is not exactly an easy figure for Mia to match based the current makeup of the roster.

Mia would either have to put together a package around Martin (6.8m) with 2 or 3 other players with lesser salaries to make the numbers work.

Or trade either Duncan or Lowry who both make more than DFS and then the Nets would have to package other salaries with DFS.

I don't see Mia trading Duncan in this deal.

That leaves Lowry and unless Mia acquires a PG with DFS, it wouldn't make much sense.

So the obvious assumption is DFS packaged with Dinwiddie which means a realistic starting framework of a deal would be Lowry and Jovic for DFS and Dinwiddie.

Not sure if Brooklyn would like that offer.

We should include a 1st but yes it would be something similar to this.

[Beenie]

DFS makes about 14m which is not exactly an easy figure for Mia to match based the current makeup of the roster.

Mia would either have to put together a package around Martin (6.8m) with 2 or 3 other players with lesser salaries to make the numbers work.

Or trade either Duncan or Lowry who both make more than DFS and then the Nets would have to package other salaries with DFS.

I don't see Mia trading Duncan in this deal.

That leaves Lowry and unless Mia acquires a PG with DFS, it wouldn't make much sense.

So the obvious assumption is DFS packaged with Dinwiddie which means a realistic starting framework of a deal would be Lowry and Jovic for DFS and Dinwiddie.

Not sure if Brooklyn would like that offer.

We should include a 1st but yes it would be something similar to this.

I dont see Brkyn doing this deal unless they are really high on Jovic

[AirP.]

DFS makes about 14m which is not exactly an easy figure for Mia to match based the current makeup of the roster.

Mia would either have to put together a package around Martin (6.8m) with 2 or 3 other players with lesser salaries to make the numbers work.

Or trade either Duncan or Lowry who both make more than DFS and then the Nets would have to package other salaries with DFS.

I don't see Mia trading Duncan in this deal.

That leaves Lowry and unless Mia acquires a PG with DFS, it wouldn't make much sense.

So the obvious assumption is DFS packaged with Dinwiddie which means a realistic starting framework of a deal would be Lowry and Jovic for DFS and Dinwiddie.

Not sure if Brooklyn would like that offer.

For the 2024-25 season, the NBA is being very conservative. Initial projections are that we’ll see just a 4.4% increase. That means a cap of $142 million, a tax line of $172.5 million, first apron of $179.9 million and second apron of $190.8 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/initial-2024-nba-cap-space-and-spending-power-projections-1989

So next year the tax line is basically the 2nd apron line this year, so keep that in mind.

Butler 48
Bam 33
Herro 29
Duncan 19
That's 129 million for 4 players.

Now let's look at the rest of contracts expected contracts.
Jaquez Jr. 4
Bryant 3
Jovic 3
O.Robinson 2
Love 4 million (player option)

Now you're at 145 million for 9 players so as of now Miami won't be looking at free agents and are ~28 million away from the tax line without having Martin and Richardson resigned (both have low player options) nor the ~13 million MLE they could use. So as you can see, a Lowry trade with salary coming back past this year is probably not happening unless more future salary is going out somewhere else.

Next year... Butler, Bam, Jaquez Jr, Herro, Robinson, Jovic, Bryant and Love with nothing else really, no real starting or backup PG, a question mark at PF although Jovic and Jaquez Jr could be eating up minutes there. So, Miami is needing to fill these positions and possibly upgrade for less than 28 mil with the current projection of the rotation.

I'm very weary of Robinson's hot start, his scouting report/player's opinions on how to play him haven't changed yet but by the time the playoffs come around how he's defended could be entirely different. I get he may just be this way from now on but I wouldn't count on it myself and would try to upgrade his spot if given the chance to move him in a package.

[Beenie]

DFS makes about 14m which is not exactly an easy figure for Mia to match based the current makeup of the roster.

Mia would either have to put together a package around Martin (6.8m) with 2 or 3 other players with lesser salaries to make the numbers work.

Or trade either Duncan or Lowry who both make more than DFS and then the Nets would have to package other salaries with DFS.

I don't see Mia trading Duncan in this deal.

That leaves Lowry and unless Mia acquires a PG with DFS, it wouldn't make much sense.

So the obvious assumption is DFS packaged with Dinwiddie which means a realistic starting framework of a deal would be Lowry and Jovic for DFS and Dinwiddie.

Not sure if Brooklyn would like that offer.

For the 2024-25 season, the NBA is being very conservative. Initial projections are that we’ll see just a 4.4% increase. That means a cap of $142 million, a tax line of $172.5 million, first apron of $179.9 million and second apron of $190.8 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/initial-2024-nba-cap-space-and-spending-power-projections-1989

So next year the tax line is basically the 2nd apron line this year, so keep that in mind.

Butler 48
Bam 33
Herro 29
Duncan 19
That's 129 million for 4 players.

Now let's look at the rest of contracts expected contracts.
Jaquez Jr. 4
Bryant 3
Jovic 3
O.Robinson 2
Love 4 million (player option)

Now you're at 145 million for 9 players so as of now Miami won't be looking at free agents and are ~28 million away from the tax line without having Martin and Richardson resigned (both have low player options) nor the ~13 million MLE they could use. So as you can see, a Lowry trade with salary coming back past this year is probably not happening unless more future salary is going out somewhere else.

Next year... Butler, Bam, Jaquez Jr, Herro, Robinson, Jovic, Bryant and Love with nothing else really, no real starting or backup PG, a question mark at PF although Jovic and Jaquez Jr could be eating up minutes there. So, Miami is needing to fill these positions and possibly upgrade for less than 28 mil with the current projection of the rotation.

I'm very weary of Robinson's hot start, his scouting report/player's opinions on how to play him haven't changed yet but by the time the playoffs come around how he's defended could be entirely different. I get he may just be this way from now on but I wouldn't count on it myself and would try to upgrade his spot if given the chance to move him in a package.

If they believe Swider is the next Duncan/Strus clone then moving Duncan makes sense.

Without an off ball sharp shooter on the team, I don’t see Duncan as being expendable.

[Daffy]

Brooklyn wants 2 first round picks for DFS according to the wiretap. They're smoking crack.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

DFS makes about 14m which is not exactly an easy figure for Mia to match based the current makeup of the roster.

Mia would either have to put together a package around Martin (6.8m) with 2 or 3 other players with lesser salaries to make the numbers work.

Or trade either Duncan or Lowry who both make more than DFS and then the Nets would have to package other salaries with DFS.

I don't see Mia trading Duncan in this deal.

That leaves Lowry and unless Mia acquires a PG with DFS, it wouldn't make much sense.

So the obvious assumption is DFS packaged with Dinwiddie which means a realistic starting framework of a deal would be Lowry and Jovic for DFS and Dinwiddie.

Not sure if Brooklyn would like that offer.

For the 2024-25 season, the NBA is being very conservative. Initial projections are that we’ll see just a 4.4% increase. That means a cap of $142 million, a tax line of $172.5 million, first apron of $179.9 million and second apron of $190.8 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/initial-2024-nba-cap-space-and-spending-power-projections-1989

So next year the tax line is basically the 2nd apron line this year, so keep that in mind.

Butler 48
Bam 33
Herro 29
Duncan 19
That's 129 million for 4 players.

Now let's look at the rest of contracts expected contracts.
Jaquez Jr. 4
Bryant 3
Jovic 3
O.Robinson 2
Love 4 million (player option)

Now you're at 145 million for 9 players so as of now Miami won't be looking at free agents and are ~28 million away from the tax line without having Martin and Richardson resigned (both have low player options) nor the ~13 million MLE they could use. So as you can see, a Lowry trade with salary coming back past this year is probably not happening unless more future salary is going out somewhere else.

Next year... Butler, Bam, Jaquez Jr, Herro, Robinson, Jovic, Bryant and Love with nothing else really, no real starting or backup PG, a question mark at PF although Jovic and Jaquez Jr could be eating up minutes there. So, Miami is needing to fill these positions and possibly upgrade for less than 28 mil with the current projection of the rotation.

I'm very weary of Robinson's hot start, his scouting report/player's opinions on how to play him haven't changed yet but by the time the playoffs come around how he's defended could be entirely different. I get he may just be this way from now on but I wouldn't count on it myself and would try to upgrade his spot if given the chance to move him in a package.

If they believe Swider is the next Duncan/Strus clone then moving Duncan makes sense.

Without an off ball sharpshooter on the team, I don’t see Duncan as being expendable.

You can find 3pt specialist which would help your team more by saving a ton of money and having a spot up shooter. For me, having a choice between Robinson at 19 million or say paying a guy like M.Beasley near the minimum or let's go a little crazy, go up to near the MLE at 13 million, I'm going with the cheaper option, saving at least 6 million a year for your sharpshooter which could be utilized elsewhere on the roster, for example, being able to retain Martin next season if you really like him.

Right now, Robinson is making close to 19 mil a year, this quite possibly new level he's playing at is where he needs to continue to play at to make his salary not a negative but if scouting reports change or someone figures out how to slow him up he'll be back to being a negative contract on the roster. If I can move him in some package for a player I want and have more faith in I'm making that move and trying to find another cheaper 3pt shooter to replace him.

[insfo]

Hmm, so I see a 10-page thread on GB about Lavine wanting to get traded to Miami, and not a single post about that here? Was that old, or just smoke?

[insfo]

Also wonder what role if anything, Spo’s off court issues had in that blowup with Jimmy last year. Not that I’m saying Jimmy threw that at him, but if everything was going fine at home, wondering if Spo blows up like he did.

Sad for the kids, and sad for the Spos. Sad all around

[Wiltside]

Also wonder what role if anything, Spo’s off court issues had in that blowup with Jimmy last year. Not that I’m saying Jimmy threw that at him, but if everything was going fine at home, wondering if Spo blows up like he did.

Sad for the kids, and sad for the Spos. Sad all around

I can’t imagine it’s easy being married to an NBA coach. Travelling all the time, alone with the pressure of raising kids, worried about what they get up to interstate…it’s a tough lifestyle to retain strong relationships I would’ve thought.

[KingDavid]

Hmm, so I see a 10-page thread on GB about Lavine wanting to get traded to Miami, and not a single post about that here? Was that old, or just smoke?

Smoke. The heat apparently aren't interested. We'd have to give up too much just to match salaries, let alone whatever value we'd need to add to outbid other teams. We're too close to the 2nd apron as well. Dude is very injury prone and expensive. He'd be better off in Golden State imo.

[KingDavid]

Spoiler:

https://www.spotrac.com/news/initial-2024-nba-cap-space-and-spending-power-projections-1989

So next year the tax line is basically the 2nd apron line this year, so keep that in mind.

Butler 48
Bam 33
Herro 29
Duncan 19
That's 129 million for 4 players.

Now let's look at the rest of contracts expected contracts.
Jaquez Jr. 4
Bryant 3
Jovic 3
O.Robinson 2
Love 4 million (player option)

Now you're at 145 million for 9 players so as of now Miami won't be looking at free agents and are ~28 million away from the tax line without having Martin and Richardson resigned (both have low player options) nor the ~13 million MLE they could use. So as you can see, a Lowry trade with salary coming back past this year is probably not happening unless more future salary is going out somewhere else.

Next year... Butler, Bam, Jaquez Jr, Herro, Robinson, Jovic, Bryant and Love with nothing else really, no real starting or backup PG, a question mark at PF although Jovic and Jaquez Jr could be eating up minutes there. So, Miami is needing to fill these positions and possibly upgrade for less than 28 mil with the current projection of the rotation.

I'm very weary of Robinson's hot start, his scouting report/player's opinions on how to play him haven't changed yet but by the time the playoffs come around how he's defended could be entirely different. I get he may just be this way from now on but I wouldn't count on it myself and would try to upgrade his spot if given the chance to move him in a package.

If they believe Swider is the next Duncan/Strus clone then moving Duncan makes sense.

Without an off ball sharpshooter on the team, I don’t see Duncan as being expendable.

You can find 3pt specialist which would help your team more by saving a ton of money and having a spot up shooter. For me, having a choice between Robinson at 19 million or say paying a guy like M.Beasley near the minimum or let's go a little crazy, go up to near the MLE at 13 million, I'm going with the cheaper option, saving at least 6 million a year for your sharpshooter which could be utilized elsewhere on the roster, for example, being able to retain Martin next season if you really like him.

Right now, Robinson is making close to 19 mil a year, this quite possibly new level he's playing at is where he needs to continue to play at to make his salary not a negative but if scouting reports change or someone figures out how to slow him up he'll be back to being a negative contract on the roster. If I can move him in some package for a player I want and have more faith in I'm making that move and trying to find another cheaper 3pt shooter to replace him.

Idk, Duncan seems like he's taken that step. You have an eye for talent and I'm chock full of homer bias. What's your breakdown of Duncan.

I miss the ortg-drtg calculations you used to often do.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Duncan’s scouting report has always been the same, if they decide to play him on the drive more than great he’ll get more open 3s lol