2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

[contract]

In defense of Jimmy Butler:

I've made myself clear that we should not extend Jimmy at any reasonable number. However, people are **** on Jimmy without looking at his side of it. The Heat refused to extend him in the offseason, and told him to go out and earn the new contract ... and then the team took the ball out of his hands making it harder for Jimmy to prove the he deserves the money he's looking for to the Heat and every other team in the NBA.

The Heat did him dirty, and IMO it was intentional. I believe that the Heat wanted Jimmy to be unhappy here so he wouldn't exercise his player option for next year.

[EMC5466]

Ethan Skolnick says a trade could be coming in the next few days.

[iamoti]

Trade him to the Hawks, get Hunter!

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Literal backpacking off shams report on espn last night

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Heat are going to do what’s in their best interest.. if that means butler ends up in a team with single digit wins, then so be it. We cant absorb more money, and we need draft picks. The contract(s) doesnt necessarily need to expire after this season, it can be a combo of 2025 and 2026 expirings. We need to create cap space to be able to have a max slot by the 2026 offseason.


But then.. if we want to go a little further into trade possibilities..
as ive said before a few days ago, there isnt an untradeable player on this team. That includes Bam, that includes Herro who is playing his ass off looking for an extension himself but has also been unreliable with his availability in the past, even more so than Butler.

Bam is not going to ascend, he has peaked. He is what he is.

So i wont get offended if we listen to a blockbuster offer that can really help this franchise even further should we include Bam or Herro in the trade.

I'm giving Herro another offseason. He's 24 going 25. He has another leap in him. Just because he's such an elite shooter, he has a shot to be an all nba guy if he can fix his handles and finish better at the rim and with floaters. This season he's at 24 5 5. Better ball handling, a couple more FTs and better finishing and he can be 27 5rb 6/7a. You need to see Herro play out the season and if he remains consistent, work with him like crazy in the offseason and see if he can turn into a top 15 /10 player. And if you keep Herro might as well Bam, they are on the same timeline

You all won’t like it but Edrice also has another level offensively as the 3 continues to develop and hopefully as we add a playmaker who can get downhill (Fox) and hopefully he and Herro are able to get heavier reps and usage now that Jimmy is out to continue to develop

[dubasilva]

Everyone is hopeful, but I don't think we're getting much for Jimmy.

35 years old, has trouble everywhere he goes, and wants a significant extension. Maybe a 1Year Run, but I'm not hopeful at all.

[EMC5466]

Ethan called Shams a liar a week ago lol.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

2 picks. 2 prospects. no big long term money.

A little heavy there from Memphis, Jaylen Wells is the best rookie in the league so far but I’d love it lol

[Heat3]

In defense of Jimmy Butler:

I've made myself clear that we should not extend Jimmy at any reasonable number. However, people are **** on Jimmy without looking at his side of it. The Heat refused to extend him in the offseason, and told him to go out and earn the new contract ... and then the team took the ball out of his hands making it harder for Jimmy to prove the he deserves the money he's looking for to the Heat and every other team in the NBA.

The Heat did him dirty, and IMO it was intentional. I believe that the Heat wanted Jimmy to be unhappy here so he wouldn't exercise his player option for next year.

I agree they probably wanted him to leave on his own but I don’t think they wanted him to be unhappy. He’s been unreliable when it comes to availability. So makes sense to not center everything around him. I don’t think the heat care about the raw stats that would be impacted by a different role. What they want is him to play hard and not miss games in whatever role they ask of him. They ask that of every player. Yet he has been missing games at the same rate as he always has. He’s allegedly been causing issues behind the scenes. Then finally committed the cardinal sin of purposefully playing bad these past few games.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ethan called Shams a liar a week ago lol.

Dude is a fraud who beats his elderly dad lmao

[EMC5466]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Everyone is hopeful, but I don't think we're getting much for Jimmy.

35 years old, has trouble everywhere he goes, and wants a significant extension. Maybe a 1Year Run, but I'm not hopeful at all.

I don’t even need a quality player, I need 2 1sts from these teams with a **** load of picks preferably in gears that open avenues to us sending 4 1sts for Fox this summer if possible/necessary

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Well that sucks if true

[dagger151]

I've been a huge "JIM-ME" fan since he came into the league and was crazy excited when he landed on the Heat. Business is business, but the way he has dogged games is a slap in the face to the rest of the team...the team he led for years to big heights. There is a better way to handle this and its sad to see it end this way, but GTFO if you are going to abandon your team, especially while getting paid the most on the team.

I have faith that Riley/Andy will pull some crazy trade off to cement the Godfather status. Everyone is tradeable on this team.

Make it happen Riles!

[twix2500]

In defense of Jimmy Butler:

I've made myself clear that we should not extend Jimmy at any reasonable number. However, people are **** on Jimmy without looking at his side of it. The Heat refused to extend him in the offseason, and told him to go out and earn the new contract ... and then the team took the ball out of his hands making it harder for Jimmy to prove the he deserves the money he's looking for to the Heat and every other team in the NBA.

The Heat did him dirty, and IMO it was intentional. I believe that the Heat wanted Jimmy to be unhappy here so he wouldn't exercise his player option for next year.

I am not sure how you are equating he deserves Max money at 37 and 38 yrs old.

[greg4012]

In defense of Jimmy Butler:

I've made myself clear that we should not extend Jimmy at any reasonable number. However, people are **** on Jimmy without looking at his side of it. The Heat refused to extend him in the offseason, and told him to go out and earn the new contract ... and then the team took the ball out of his hands making it harder for Jimmy to prove the he deserves the money he's looking for to the Heat and every other team in the NBA.

The Heat did him dirty, and IMO it was intentional. I believe that the Heat wanted Jimmy to be unhappy here so he wouldn't exercise his player option for next year.

I will always appreciate and have love for Jimmy. I dont buy this rallying cry tho. The Heat are trying to win basketball games and work with their personnel. Jimmy has effectively balked for his entire Heat stint at the idea of ever having his usage go over 26% on offense. He has actively pushed against that despite it being effectively necessary for a team's top option to be pushing ~30% usage to have a functional offense. Jimmy is quite literally the only top 15 or so NBA player in the NBA with such low usage. That's an inherently flawed approach to constructing an offense. That's not even getting into his availability.

But, how can the coaching staff--in good faith--work to build an offense to cater specifically to Jimmy when he has rebuked the approach every step of the way and can only be available for less than 2/3 of each season.

I don't see that as the Heat doing Jimmy dirty. I'm sure there are plenty of other apt grievances tho.

For better or worse, Jimmy's career has always been a bit of a story of imperfect fit bc hes so unique in how he impacts the game and Miami' was always split in timelines being served (youth all benefits from a faster pace of play).

I do see what you mean with the Heat pushing more chips to one timeline over another tho. I just don't see it as malicious at all to do so.

[Heat3]

Jimmy was hoping to tank that game against the Pelicans so he could do his speech after the game on New Year's Day, but Herro and Bam thwarted it with great games. Butler had to wait for the next loss. What a loser way to go out

[Hoops3355]

The gloom in here is wild. You guys over here dropping some wild tears. The we’re gonna be be bad for decade crowd got me rolling. Jimmy is a snake don’t forget his MO has always been me everything else he does is acting. It’s part of his illusion. This without Jimmy is way better than the team Jimmy came into. There’s a 1A player that’s gonna look at the roster and go I can be the man in Miami. (Checks the dolphins yeah they suck still). Silver won’t let his favorite instant mass shared hate power creating team be in the wilderness ratings are important.

Jimmy gonna get moved. We’re gonna be fine. I’m just curious what the follow ups look like. Can’t see us trading Duncan. Terry makes some sense to move on. I just don’t think we are that bad that we’d get a lottery pick. Outside that not much selling to do.

[contract]

In defense of Jimmy Butler:

I've made myself clear that we should not extend Jimmy at any reasonable number. However, people are **** on Jimmy without looking at his side of it. The Heat refused to extend him in the offseason, and told him to go out and earn the new contract ... and then the team took the ball out of his hands making it harder for Jimmy to prove the he deserves the money he's looking for to the Heat and every other team in the NBA.

The Heat did him dirty, and IMO it was intentional. I believe that the Heat wanted Jimmy to be unhappy here so he wouldn't exercise his player option for next year.

I agree they probably wanted him to leave on his own but I don’t think they wanted him to be unhappy. He’s been unreliable when it comes to availability. So makes sense to not center everything around him. I don’t think the heat care about the raw stats that would be impacted by a different role. What they want is him to play hard and not miss games in whatever role they ask of him. They ask that of every player. Yet he has been missing games at the same rate as he always has. He’s allegedly been causing issues behind the scenes. Then finally committed the cardinal sin of purposefully playing bad these past few games.

But Jimmy would care about his stats because stats are what get a player paid.

[contract]

In defense of Jimmy Butler:

I've made myself clear that we should not extend Jimmy at any reasonable number. However, people are **** on Jimmy without looking at his side of it. The Heat refused to extend him in the offseason, and told him to go out and earn the new contract ... and then the team took the ball out of his hands making it harder for Jimmy to prove the he deserves the money he's looking for to the Heat and every other team in the NBA.

The Heat did him dirty, and IMO it was intentional. I believe that the Heat wanted Jimmy to be unhappy here so he wouldn't exercise his player option for next year.

I am not sure how you are equating he deserves Max money at 37 and 38 yrs old.

What is the very first sentence of my post?