MettaWorldPanda wrote:We had the chance to steal Morant only if we gave the Grizz a fair offer instead of continuing our used car salesman schtick. Rozier and Simone offer lol.
Sure not sounding like anything is happening there...but Vegas with the 90% odds still raises eyebrows.
That’s old news now with Morant and the Grizz patching things up.
Well, Morant has said all the right things. But at the end of the day, the Grizz could still decide to cut bait and move him. I don't think they actually want to pay him.
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I could live with a lack of moves if the plan was to full embrace the tank and play the kids. Either move Herro or Powell for draft assets, move Wiggins, and just roll with the kids and develop them in game.
Kasparas / Mitchell Herro or Powell / Gardner Pelle / Jaquez Adebayo / Jovic Ware
Run that rotation, collect an FRP each for Wiggins and Powell or Herro, and develop the young talent and finish with a top 8-10 pick. Maybe the Commish gives us the Lotto luck this year after the Rozier debacle.
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:We had the chance to steal Morant only if we gave the Grizz a fair offer instead of continuing our used car salesman schtick. Rozier and Simone offer lol.
This dude is a top 10 passer in the league, at worst.
Easily.. yet, only worthy of rozier/simone. Has one bad year, after a bunch of top 5 guard years put together. And yet im actually convinced some people here think herro is better than ja.
VaDe255 wrote: I’m almost starting to buy into it (just kidding , I generally refuse to put stock in sports narratives, especially the superstitious kind).
Herro's on/off numbers this year are legitimately bad though. The team is a -5.34 Net Rating with him on the floor and -4.75 in the games he played.
It’s a small sample size, but that’s all the fuel fans need to validate their confirmation bias and it certainly is not a good trend
He’s arguably been one of the more underwhelming players this season (mostly because of injuries) and it’s hard to argue against narratives when the analytical profile this year looks like this, the 2nd part of the year might very well decide if he has a future in Miami
My take is the Herro Hex is real. Now, I keep throwing that out in jest just for be bit polemical because I can't help it. However, the nuanced, adult take is Herro has played fabulously from an individual standpoint. He's comes back from injury and played seamlessly at a very high level. Granted, it's only 11 games, but he's getting 22-5r-3a on 50-36-90. This is similar output to Powell.
The issue, imo, comes down to Miami just doesn't work as well as a unit when Herro has been in the lineup. It's the alchemy I mentioned some pages back. On paper, Miami is MUCH better from a talent standpoint when Herro is in the lineup; the results don't match that. And it's hard to see a Powell/Herro + whoever else lineup working long-term. It has that Blazers Lillard/CJ McCollum vibe to it, but neither player is as good as Lillard was. So it's basically 2 CJ McCollums.
The above + Herro's supposed contract demands + the desire for change + having Powell as a replacement + Miami needing reinforcements elsewhere + Herro likely being the best trade chip/the most expendable player on the roster + a generally feeling Herro has kind of reached his peak has everyone packing Herro's bags.
Nah disagree a lot with the "chemistry take", I did look at some of the on/off numbers in the games Herro played:
Tyler Herro, Norman Powell -> 143 minutes +4.39 net rating, 115.36 off / 110.97 def Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro, Norman Powell -> 132 minutes +8.43 net rating, 119.73 off / 111.30 def Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro, Norman Powell, Andrew Wiggins -> 124 minutes +11.01 net rating, 123.83 off / 112.82 def Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro, Norman Powell, Andrew Wiggins, Davion Mitchell -> 94 minutes +11.61 net rating, 124.88 off / 113.27 def
The "chemistry" when the best players are on the court is just fine, when the struggles begin has been the bench unit in games Herro played It's not enough games, matters a lot where you play and who you play, but the trend so far has been, in Herro games the starters look great and the bench units suck
Do we know Miami's record with Herro this season?
Edit: I looked it up. Miami is 4-7 in games Herro has played this season.
wins v Dallas, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and the Clippers
losses v Detroit, Dallas, Orlando, Minnesota, Indiana, OKC, and Boston
MettaWorldPanda wrote:We missed a legit window to get him for a fair offer but our FO and media was insufferable yet again trying to back them into a corner.
I see the local beat guys did their thing of gassing up this fanbase like something was imminent, but the reality is these type of trades typically go down at the deadline for a reason - that's when sides have no choice but to submit their best offers. Even the coffee dude that was a complete malcontent here was not moved until a day before the deadline. If Grizz are hellbent on trading Ja, the window is open for 2.5 more weeks.
I said we shouldve sold high after the 2023 finals… some people thought we wouldve won the finals had he played.. but more data has proven we probably dont win against the bucks
Lennyzinho wrote: When KJ drives and sprays aka kick out to shooters, he's really good. Also took really good care of the ball, no turnovers as a starting rookie PG vs okc is nice to see. He takes it very seriously which we can all appreciate. And he has a really nice stroke and smooth release, his 3pt shot is real. Ofc cant expect him to shoot 46% consistently, but I see no reason why he cant be a career 38-40% type shooter which is NICE. His FT % being in the 90s is also a strong correlater that his 3pt shot is real. And he's good on defense or at least hustles and plays hard.
His faults as of now are too many fouls and trying to do too much on defense (learning curve ofc), and by far his biggest issue is when he drives to score. I dont know if hes timid or doesnt trust his mid-range game. But he has very little finishing touch on drives to the basket. Looks out of control like hes forcing it. And I havent seen him shoot a single fadeaway or little step back jumper which I felt was there for him often yesterday. So offensively he's somewhat limited but as a 19 yo rookie i cant help but be super bullish on this kid long term.
Kj is struggling around the rim due to a lack of athleticism. Its the same thing that happened to podz.
He will need to get crafty or develop a floater game. I dont think he'll ever really improve his athleticism or quickness, but he is smart enough to develop a counter. The biggest benefit he has as a pg right now is his size and frame to add more muscle. His confidence in his 3 ball also looks promising as a set shooter.
The lack of athleticism is troubling. We keep calling him Dragic, but Dragic was more athletic from what I can remember from his tenure on the suns.
Im comparing him athletically to 30 yr old dragic, not 20 yr old dragic.
My guess is that the lack of athleticism is what caused his tumble in the draft. Spo will need to eventually put athletic wings around him to cover that up. But unlike herro and powell, kj already seems to have better positional awareness on defense.
Has one bad year, after a bunch of top 5 guard years put together. And yet im actually convinced some people here think herro is better than ja. 
