Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

3ballbomber · Post #661 » by **3ballbomber** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:08 am

Jordan - "A lot of basketball players today are overpaid, it influences their game & work ethics in a negative way. They're given things they haven't earned & I think the game has been cheated."

RexBoyWonder · Post #662 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:42 am

To me Hassan needs the right attitude to succeed long term.
He can't pout, take plays off, not pass out, and have low energy and be max player. He's not skilled enough to play with a low motor and be productive.

He needs to embrace the reality of his role - a glorified Dendre Jordan. Not Tim Duncan. Stop worrying about touches, about minutes, you can be the best role player in the league but you're never going to be the "guy". Your effectiveness depends on your energy level and toughness, not on you hitting jumpers or being a focal point offensively.

And IMO that's the issue our front office has with him - He lacks the awareness to recognized that. That's also the underline to some of Wade's comments : Wade can feel Hassan is playing for glory and stats and not for wins.

Bishop45 · Post #663 » by **Bishop45** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:30 am

His motor is a troubling sight at times, he seems to only really be going when we involve him on offense... which shouldn't be the case. although we could be doing a better job at involving him more. He's just too reactionary right now it seems, I think it might have more to do with conditioning than it is simply a bad attitude because he just can't deal with all the factors disrupting his rhythm. He's gotta find a way to stay focused and consistent

smartcane · Post #664 » by **smartcane** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:55 pm

Bishop45 wrote:His motor is a troubling sight at times, he seems to only really be going when we involve him on offense... which shouldn't be the case. although we could be doing a better job at involving him more. He's just too reactionary right now it seems, I think it might have more to do with conditioning than it is simply a bad attitude because he just can't deal with all the factors disrupting his rhythm. He's gotta find a way to stay focused and consistent

I don't think he needs to be involved more on offense because he is the forth or even 5th best offensive option, 1a. Wade 1b. Bosh 2. Dragic 3. Green. the forth spot to me is a toss up between TJ, Deng and Whiteside. Also HE DOESN"T PASS THE BALL!! Hard to run your offense through some one who doesn't pass!!! He needs to stay locked in even if he isn't involved offensively. This is why they got rid of Beasley. He was great when the offense was being ran through him but when it wasn't he wasn't focused def or on offense. In my opinion we lost against the Knicks and Utah because of Whiteside. If you watched those games he stopped rolling because he didn't always get the ball from Dragic (who does need more patients on the pnr) and he stopped going out on the shooters. Him staying in the paint on pick on rolls was awful against Utah. He went out once and got a great block but other than that it was like he was glued to the paint. If he does this against GS we lose badly !!

3ballbomber · Post #665 » by **3ballbomber** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:56 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:To me Hassan needs the right attitude to succeed long term.
He can't pout, take plays off, not pass out, and have low energy and be max player. He's not skilled enough to play with a low motor and be productive.

He needs to embrace the reality of his role - a glorified Dendre Jordan. Not Tim Duncan. Stop worrying about touches, about minutes, you can be the best role player in the league but you're never going to be the "guy". Your effectiveness depends on your energy level and toughness, not on you hitting jumpers or being a focal point offensively.

And IMO that's the issue our front office has with him - He lacks the awareness to recognized that. That's also the underline to some of Wade's comments : Wade can feel Hassan is playing for glory and stats and not for wins.

It's that ahhuh moment that i've been waiting for somebody to recognize & acknowledge. Spot on!

The entitlement mentality and ego does not make for a great player. That's punk territory. Selfish. This is a 3 time NBA Championship organization, w/ a winning culture and w/ 2 All-Star Future Hall Of Famers. We dug you out of the depths of nowhere, wasting away. Could have easily been yet another sad story, w/ a disappointing ending. You gotta understand and acknowledge a blessing. We also see Hassan as a blessing. That's why we just don't wanna throw it all away by giving him too much too soon. We want to properly guide the young man. That same sort of guidance he may not necessarily receive on another club.

Not sure about a glorified Deandre Jordan though. If the kid puts aside all that ego, pouting and braggadocio, work hard, focus he could be something far more special. He has the potential to be great but it all starts with attitude. It's essentially up to Hassan on what sort of player he wants to be. Merely a selfish statistic showboater or one of the greatest centers to play the game by actually doing something that matters and that's helping this team get to the ECF and NBA Finals as a result of his hard work, dedication and passion. It's all on the kid and only time will tell.

Bishop45 · Post #666 » by **Bishop45** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:01 pm

smartcane wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:His motor is a troubling sight at times, he seems to only really be going when we involve him on offense... which shouldn't be the case. although we could be doing a better job at involving him more. He's just too reactionary right now it seems, I think it might have more to do with conditioning than it is simply a bad attitude because he just can't deal with all the factors disrupting his rhythm. He's gotta find a way to stay focused and consistent

I don't think he needs to be involved more on offense because he is the forth or even 5th best offensive option, 1a. Wade 1b. Bosh 2. Dragic 3. Green. the forth spot to me is a toss up between TJ, Deng and Whiteside. Also HE DOESN"T PASS THE BALL!! Hard to run your offense through some one who doesn't pass!!! He needs to stay locked in even if he isn't involved offensively. This is why they got rid of Beasley. He was great when the offense was being ran through him but when it wasn't he wasn't focused def or on offense. In my opinion we lost against the Knicks and Utah because of Whiteside. If you watched those games he stopped rolling because he didn't always get the ball from Dragic (who does need more patients on the pnr) and he stopped going out on the shooters. Him staying in the paint on pick on rolls was awful against Utah. He went out once and got a great block but other than that it was like he was glued to the paint. If he does this against GS we lose badly !!

Didn't say he needs it run through him, just that he could be more involved.

Post #667 » by **QUIZ** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:03 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:To me Hassan needs the right attitude to succeed long term.
He can't pout, take plays off, not pass out, and have low energy and be max player. He's not skilled enough to play with a low motor and be productive.

He needs to embrace the reality of his role - a glorified Dendre Jordan. Not Tim Duncan. Stop worrying about touches, about minutes, you can be the best role player in the league but you're never going to be the "guy". Your effectiveness depends on your energy level and toughness, not on you hitting jumpers or being a focal point offensively.

And IMO that's the issue our front office has with him - He lacks the awareness to recognized that. That's also the underline to some of Wade's comments : Wade can feel Hassan is playing for glory and stats and not for wins.

Bishop45 wrote:His motor is a troubling sight at times, he seems to only really be going when we involve him on offense... which shouldn't be the case. although we could be doing a better job at involving him more. He's just too reactionary right now it seems, I think it might have more to do with conditioning than it is simply a bad attitude because he just can't deal with all the factors disrupting his rhythm. He's gotta find a way to stay focused and consistent

Good posts.

3ballbomber · Post #668 » by **3ballbomber** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:11 pm

Bishop45 wrote:His motor is a troubling sight at times, he seems to only really be going when we involve him on offense... which shouldn't be the case. although we could be doing a better job at involving him more. He's just too reactionary right now it seems, I think it might have more to do with conditioning than it is simply a bad attitude because he just can't deal with all the factors disrupting his rhythm. He's gotta find a way to stay focused and consistent

It starts with attitude foremost.

That entitlement mentality that he has needs to stop. Just because he's put up stats that has his head gassed up it doesn't automatically make him the superstar of the team where we need to drop everything and grant him his every wish. This is one of the main reasons why he should not be paid the max and why Riles and front office will refuse to.

Hassan is still very much a work in progress, spite of all the stats. Not only is his game still a work in progress but most importantly his mind is still very much a work in progress. He already has a track history here stemming from last season when Spo had to sit him out in games altogether. And this season being benched in the 4th Q's. Not to forget Wade's comments about him encouraging his team mates if he's not on the court playing as a result of Hassan negative attitude about playing time. Maturity & attitude issues have always been quite evident.

If we give him too much too soon we will create a monster that will be harder to control the more we give in to his every wish and command. That's just not happening here and all of you who think he deserves the Max are crazy. Riles and Front office will not. Hassan has a much better chance of being considered a max if he had the same sort of humble attitude as Wade when he first came into the league or even Winslow. But fact is he has shown the complete opposite.

Work hard, show the coaching staff and Riles you mean business and are a team player and he will eventually be compensated. But at the moment he hasn't shown that he deserves what many fans think he deserves. It's not just about somebody's game, it's also about mentality, behavior and attitude. You seriously think the Heat org, being the professional & disciplined organization that we are will merely pay this kid the max?

Burnie Riley · Post #669 » by **Burnie Riley** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:31 pm

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Lakers fans keep asking this guy questions about Whiteside.

dolphinatik · Post #670 » by **dolphinatik** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:46 pm

Clearly his game has been off while he tries to play heat basketball. On offense he only posts up when certain people have the ball. If wade gets the ball he doesn't post and drifts out of the lane. He is setting high screens now and playing the perimeter but now it's more out of position and knees are hurting. We need to define what we want. Trying to change his game to much might break it altogether. The freedom of allowing him to stay in the paint it's going away, again we have to pick our poison. We have other bugs and I dont see them doing any of this either. And as much as I like beno it's puzzling how we can't find five minutes for josh or stokes or bird. We use tj like a pg which isn't ideal. Point is the opportunities for several players are not ideal and the real thing they need to fix

Rich2Hassan · Post #671 » by **Rich2Hassan** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:27 pm

It's funny how people really know what a player is thinking and wants. Guess that's the reason why some is sitting behind a computer screen speaking about others and not trying to better themselves. Whiteside will be fine, people should put their energy towards something else besides worrying about his life.

Bishop45 · Post #672 » by **Bishop45** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:27 pm

dolphinatik wrote: We need to define what we want.

Kinda this. I don't know if there is any method to this madness but the freelancing in our offense is not helping him. He's an athletic big that can shoot but for some reason we can't find someplace to keep him. Not sure if this is by design but hopefully the offensive scheme(s) come along a little later

Riot Randolph · Post #673 » by **Riot Randolph** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:06 am

is whitesides knee something to worry about? or do you thinks its just normal bumps and scratches from regular season wear...

Hoops23 · Post #674 » by **Hoops23** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:11 am

N82WILL wrote:It's funny how people really know what a player is thinking and wants. Guess that's the reason why some is sitting behind a computer screen speaking about others and not trying to better themselves. Whiteside will be fine, people should put their energy towards something else besides worrying about his life.

Posters here are not worried about his life but his affect with the Heat.
We dont care about his life, we care more about his contributions with the Heat.
And I dont care about his attitude as long as it doesn't affect the team. But his actions & game lately is an issue of concerns.

Post #675 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:12 am

knicks85 wrote:is whitesides knee something to worry about? or do you thinks its just normal bumps and scratches from regular season wear...

Knee Bruise. Nothing structural. Had MRI done that only showed tendinitis. Probably needs about a good week or two to heal up. Thanks for the concern now trade us Melo please

3ballbomber · Post #676 » by **3ballbomber** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:18 am

N82WILL wrote:It's funny how people really know what a player is thinking and wants. Guess that's the reason why some is sitting behind a computer screen speaking about others and not trying to better themselves. Whiteside will be fine, people should put their energy towards something else besides worrying about his life.

This is the 2nd time you've said something about people worrying too much about players and not their own lives.

Tell me Mr Life coach, what exactly are we supposed to do....on a SPORTS FORUM......talk about our intricate lives, our dreams, inefficiencies, regrets and life plans? :lol:

Post #677 » by **GameTime_3** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:22 pm

At 26yr old, you think no team will offer over 17million for a 12pt 12rb 4blk center? Put Whiteside in LAC or in OKC and watch the monster he becomes. Now....If I'm a bottom team, who will need Whiteside to be the star, then well...good luck...But we have one of the rarest things in the NBA and were blind if we don't see what we have....

for years "If only we had a Center who could rebound and block shoots"... "If only we had a PG who could push the ball and score"...Becareful what you wish for.... You could find yourself with Mario Chalmers and Joel Anthony as cheaper options....

insfo · Post #678 » by **insfo** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:51 pm

How many max slots do the Lakers have? Supposedly going after DeKobe DeBryant according to the WT.

Rock Hardy · Post #679 » by **Rock Hardy** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:19 pm

Let another team pay him. Whiteside isn't that good, and thinking he's going to blossom into more than what we see now is a bit optimistic. He's got role player written all over him, not star. And again, the league is going in a different direction. I think it's funny that the narrative is trending more negative as we get more tape. All the experts can't be wrong. I don't see any of them singing his praises right now.

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #680 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:38 pm

if we can get batum, another decent big and bolster the bench, i would be ok with whiteside walking. i think bosh should be our center moving forward or find a defensive center that is not such a liability on offense