Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread

[KingDavid]

We paid similar and gave up a lot more for an older Dragic with less production. I think Dallas will be fine.

How is 10ppg better production than Dragic?

Points per game is not the only type of production there is.

Harrison Barnes is like 23 or 24, was the 5th or 4th at best option on a championship team and played good D and guarded multiple positions. If $94 million is too much for him with this cap, what on earth was 4 picks and $85 million for a 29 year old?

One has led a team to the playoffs in the west, the other is a complete wild card.

He shoots 3s and plays defense. Ok what else does he do?

I've never heard of a 10ppg player receiving a max contract. Championship or not.

Isn't his contract a non-bird max? That's Klay Thompson money. Barnes has done absolutely nothing to deserve that max. Especially after his abysmal playoffs, not just the finals. Dallas better hope he pans out.

[KingDavid]

Did Dallas go over the cap to sign Dirk?

Edit: Never mind no they didn't.

They're 3.5mill below the luxury tax threshold.

That's what I thought. Thanks quiz.

What's the point in saving money if you have no plans to add to the roster, no?

[Hallstar]

How is 10ppg better production than Dragic?

Points per game is not the only type of production there is.

Harrison Barnes is like 23 or 24, was the 5th or 4th at best option on a championship team and played good D and guarded multiple positions. If $94 million is too much for him with this cap, what on earth was 4 picks and $85 million for a 29 year old?

One has led a team to the playoffs in the west, the other is a complete wild card.

He shoots 3s and plays defense. Ok what else does he do?

I've never heard of a 10ppg player receiving a max contract. Championship or not.

Isn't his contract a non-bird max? That's Klay Thompson money. Barnes has done absolutely nothing to deserve that max. Especially after his abysmal playoffs, not just the finals. Dallas better hope he pans out.

I'm not the biggest Barnes fan, but Dragic can't live on one year forever

[KingDavid]

Points per game is not the only type of production there is.

Harrison Barnes is like 23 or 24, was the 5th or 4th at best option on a championship team and played good D and guarded multiple positions. If $94 million is too much for him with this cap, what on earth was 4 picks and $85 million for a 29 year old?

One has led a team to the playoffs in the west, the other is a complete wild card.

He shoots 3s and plays defense. Ok what else does he do?

I've never heard of a 10ppg player receiving a max contract. Championship or not.

Isn't his contract a non-bird max? That's Klay Thompson money. Barnes has done absolutely nothing to deserve that max. Especially after his abysmal playoffs, not just the finals. Dallas better hope he pans out.

I'm not the biggest Barnes fan, but Dragic can't live on one year forever

Oh, I agree. But there's precedence. It took Nash going down for Dragic to step up. So let's see how he does now that Wade is gone.

[Shewasfly]

How is 10ppg better production than Dragic?

Points per game is not the only type of production there is.

Harrison Barnes is like 23 or 24, was the 5th or 4th at best option on a championship team and played good D and guarded multiple positions. If $94 million is too much for him with this cap, what on earth was 4 picks and $85 million for a 29 year old?

One has led a team to the playoffs in the west, the other is a complete wild card.

He shoots 3s and plays defense. Ok what else does he do?

I've never heard of a 10ppg player receiving a max contract. Championship or not.

Isn't his contract a non-bird max? That's Klay Thompson money. Barnes has done absolutely nothing to deserve that max. Especially after his abysmal playoffs, not just the finals. Dallas better hope he pans out.

Dragic doing something like 7 years ago (I don't even agree he led anything) makes him worth everything and Wade doing even more last year makes him washed up and a contract to him would hamstring the franchise. Even though a 38 year old just got the same one Wade was asking for. I've heard it already David. We won't agree.

[KingDavid]

Points per game is not the only type of production there is.

Harrison Barnes is like 23 or 24, was the 5th or 4th at best option on a championship team and played good D and guarded multiple positions. If $94 million is too much for him with this cap, what on earth was 4 picks and $85 million for a 29 year old?

One has led a team to the playoffs in the west, the other is a complete wild card.

He shoots 3s and plays defense. Ok what else does he do?

I've never heard of a 10ppg player receiving a max contract. Championship or not.

Isn't his contract a non-bird max? That's Klay Thompson money. Barnes has done absolutely nothing to deserve that max. Especially after his abysmal playoffs, not just the finals. Dallas better hope he pans out.

Dragic doing something like 7 years ago (I don't even agree he led anything) makes him worth everything and Wade doing even more last year makes him washed up and a contract to him would hamstring the franchise. Even though a 38 year old just got the same one Wade was asking for. I've heard it already David. We won't agree.

Nah, he led that phx team that year.

*sigh*

How many times do I have to say that I feel Wade is worth 3/60? 2/50? Or whatever the hell he wanted...All I ever said against that was that I understand why the front office didn't do it. Not that I agree with letting Wade walk. Everything else was for the sake of discussion. Nothing more. We should have kept Wade in a Heat jersey.

[NBADraft2003]

Lol

[Shewasfly]

One has led a team to the playoffs in the west, the other is a complete wild card.

He shoots 3s and plays defense. Ok what else does he do?

I've never heard of a 10ppg player receiving a max contract. Championship or not.

Isn't his contract a non-bird max? That's Klay Thompson money. Barnes has done absolutely nothing to deserve that max. Especially after his abysmal playoffs, not just the finals. Dallas better hope he pans out.

Dragic doing something like 7 years ago (I don't even agree he led anything) makes him worth everything and Wade doing even more last year makes him washed up and a contract to him would hamstring the franchise. Even though a 38 year old just got the same one Wade was asking for. I've heard it already David. We won't agree.

Nah, he led that phx team that year.

*sigh*

How many times do I have to say that I feel Wade is worth 3/60? 2/50? Or whatever the hell he wanted...All I ever said against that was that I understand why the front office didn't do it. Not that I agree with letting Wade walk. Everything else was for the sake of discussion. Nothing more. We should have kept Wade in a Heat jersey.

No he didn't. And I didn't accuse you of anything, you quoted me. Obviously this conversation started in the context of why Wade got low balled again by our FO while Dirk got $50 million from a front office that actually practices the loyalty it preaches. You understand all you want, I don't because it makes no sense. We won't agree like I said.

[KingDavid]

Dragic doing something like 7 years ago (I don't even agree he led anything) makes him worth everything and Wade doing even more last year makes him washed up and a contract to him would hamstring the franchise. Even though a 38 year old just got the same one Wade was asking for. I've heard it already David. We won't agree.

Nah, he led that phx team that year.

*sigh*

How many times do I have to say that I feel Wade is worth 3/60? 2/50? Or whatever the hell he wanted...All I ever said against that was that I understand why the front office didn't do it. Not that I agree with letting Wade walk. Everything else was for the sake of discussion. Nothing more. We should have kept Wade in a Heat jersey.

No he didn't. And I didn't accuse you of anything, you quoted me. Obviously this conversation started in the context of why Wade got low balled again by our FO while Dirk got $50 million from a front office that actually practices the loyalty it preaches. You understand all you want, I don't because it makes no sense. We won't agree like I said.

Dirk got that money because he took 8 million last year and the year before...Wade didn't feel like he was respected. He would have taken the 2/40 if he were offered it day one. So he wanted a bottom line and make the front office "pay". Since they were so quick and willing to max whiteside, without even consulting wade, then they were going to need to pay his worth for his services.

Like I said I understand the front office and the player. But Riley should have paid wade instead of going over the cap with the trash we got.

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[Shewasfly]

Nah, he led that phx team that year.

*sigh*

How many times do I have to say that I feel Wade is worth 3/60? 2/50? Or whatever the hell he wanted...All I ever said against that was that I understand why the front office didn't do it. Not that I agree with letting Wade walk. Everything else was for the sake of discussion. Nothing more. We should have kept Wade in a Heat jersey.

No he didn't. And I didn't accuse you of anything, you quoted me. Obviously this conversation started in the context of why Wade got low balled again by our FO while Dirk got $50 million from a front office that actually practices the loyalty it preaches. You understand all you want, I don't because it makes no sense. We won't agree like I said.

Dirk got that money because he took 8 million last year and the year before...Wade didn't feel like he was respected. He would have taken the 2/40 if he were offered it day one. So he wanted a bottom line and make the front office "pay". Since they were so quick and willing to max whiteside, without even consulting wade, then they were going to need to pay his worth for his services.

Like I said I understand the front office and the player. But Riley should have paid wade instead of going over the cap with the trash we got.

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And Dirk took that money for 2 years because he has made nearly 100 million more than Wade already. Also because they put a team around him that he thought he could win with. At least they put a contender around the franchise player they asked to take less than his worth (for the first time, not the 4th). If Riley did the impossible that everybody already knew wasn't going to happen and brings KD, I would bet my username that Wade would have taken $8 million in a heartbeat. But that's a contender. Why take less for a team of Whiteside and Dragic who you will end up having to carry and spoon feed?

[Heat3]

Lol. Now you know Wade would take $8M for a contender? Well he was offered more than that and he was "offended" and he didn't seem too concerned about trying to bring in KD or anyone else for that matter.

also his ability to carry a team suddenly diminished when Whiteside went down in the playoffs.

[QUIZ]

I can feel the 'appreciation' from here. All 34 pages of it.

[contract]

I can feel the 'appreciation' from here. All 34 pages of it.

Everyone expressed their appreciation in the days leading up to him signing with the Bulls.

[contract]

Lol. Now you know Wade would take $8M for a contender?

Maybe we'll find out when Wade is 36 ... like Dirk and Tim were when they took their pay cuts.

[Mos_Heat]

also his ability to carry a team suddenly diminished when Whiteside went down in the playoffs.

[jagz]

also his ability to carry a team suddenly diminished when Whiteside went down in the playoffs.

I'm sorry, but this is an absurd statement. It's like saying LeBron's ability to carry a team got diminished after Kyrie got hurt. It's actually even worse that because Kyrie is far more of an offensive threat. Wade got the Heat to Game 7 of the conference semis against the the #2 seed with two max-level front court players out. He dropped 38 in a four-point Game 3 loss, when nobody else could manage more than 12. Win that game, and they win the series before Game 7.

The news about Dirk's contract is sickening. He's 38, but I would argue Wade contributed more and sacrificed more for the Heat by age 34.

I wouldn't put it past Cuban to have increased the offer just to embarrass Miami (and Wade too). Regardless, it's high time for Riley to "spend more time with his family."

[Heat3]

also his ability to carry a team suddenly diminished when Whiteside went down in the playoffs.

I'm sorry, but this is an absurd statement. It's like saying LeBron's ability to carry a team got diminished after Kyrie got hurt. It's actually even worse that because Kyrie is far more of an offensive threat. Wade got the Heat to Game 7 of the conference semis against the the #2 seed with two max-level front court players out. He dropped 38 in a four-point Game 3 loss, when nobody else could manage more than 12. Win that game, and they win the series before Game 7.

The news about Dirk's contract is sickening. He's 38, but I would argue Wade contributed more and sacrificed more for the Heat by age 34.

I wouldn't put it past Cuban to have increased the offer just to embarrass Miami (and Wade too). Regardless, it's high time for Riley to "spend more time with his family."

I remember seeing Lebron beasting in the finals without Kyrie and Love. I remember Wade beasting in the playoffs with nothing at all in 2009, 2010. I don't see how you can give him credit for carrying the team this year. He was a piece of an ensemble cast. Yes, more significant than the likes of Winslow or Richardson, but don't put him on Lebron level. He isn't and hasn't been on that level in a long time.

Game 1 win - Dragic 26pts, Wade 24pts
Game 4 win - Wade 30pts
Game 6 win - Dragic 30pts

Dragic gets no credit? He did just as much as Wade. Of course on the defensive in end they were BOTH turnstiles without Whiteside....Lowry and Derozan ate them up.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Just to clarify, for those who keep bringing up "but Dirk got 100 million more than Wade!", here are their salaries compared year to year.

Season 1: Dirk 1.5 million, Wade 2.6 million
Season 2: Dirk 1.6 million, Wade 2.8 million
Season 3: Dirk 1.7 million, Wade 3.0 million
Season 4: Dirk 2.2 million, Wade 3.8 million
Season 5: Dirk 10 million, Wade 13 million
Season 6: Dirk 11.3 million, Wade 14.4 million
Season 7: Dirk 12.6 million, Wade 15.8 million
Season 8: Dirk 13.8 million, Wade 14.2 million (Wade takes minor paycut at this point to fit Haslem onto team)
Season 9: Dirk 15.1 million, Wade 15.7 million
Season 10: Dirk 16.4 million, Wade 17.1 million
Season 11: Dirk 18.1 million, Wade 18.7 million
Season 12: Dirk 19.8 million, Wade 15.0 million (Wade takes a cut due to the need to give Bosh the max along with him opting out to try to keep LeBron)
Season 13: Dirk 17.3 million, Wade 20.0 million
Season 14: Dirk 19.1 million, Wade set to make 23.5 million (would have made 20.5 million with us)
Season 15: Dirk 20.9 million, Wade set to make 23.5 million (would have made 20.5 million with us)
Season 16: Dirk 22.7 million
Season 17: Dirk 8.0 million
Season 18: Dirk 8.3 million
Season 19: Dirk set to make 25 million
Season 20: Dirk set to make 25 million

So yes, its unfair to point to Dirk's 8 million seasons, as they came further into his career than Wade has reached yet.

However, by the end of each players 15th season, if Wade had stayed with us and taken our offer, he would have made 203.1 million to Dirk's 181.4 million, a difference of 21.7 million (which if you account for inflation, probably puts them about equal in terms of earning). Wade with his Chicago salary bumps him up to 209.1 million.

Season to season, Wade will have out earned Dirk in every year but their 12th seasons (this one is a fluke for Wade because of the LeBron opt out and Bosh max situation) and 15th assuming he took Miami's offer (he will still outearn Dirk with what he'll make in Chicago).

And again, yes inflation accounts for some of that, but that still means they've both been paid about equally season to season throughout their careers. So this idea that Dirk's made 100 million more is nonsense, he's made a lot more money because he's played a lot more NBA seasons, period.

[Shewasfly]

also his ability to carry a team suddenly diminished when Whiteside went down in the playoffs.

I'm sorry, but this is an absurd statement. It's like saying LeBron's ability to carry a team got diminished after Kyrie got hurt. It's actually even worse that because Kyrie is far more of an offensive threat. Wade got the Heat to Game 7 of the conference semis against the the #2 seed with two max-level front court players out. He dropped 38 in a four-point Game 3 loss, when nobody else could manage more than 12. Win that game, and they win the series before Game 7.

The news about Dirk's contract is sickening. He's 38, but I would argue Wade contributed more and sacrificed more for the Heat by age 34.

I wouldn't put it past Cuban to have increased the offer just to embarrass Miami (and Wade too). Regardless, it's high time for Riley to "spend more time with his family."

Beyond absurd yet he's been saying that since even before Wade decided to leave. Pure Wade hater. Quoting ppg numbers but refusing to acknowledge Dragic does all his work with the defense focused squarely on Wade.

And I bet that Cuban did do that. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the front offices are laughing at us and use our lack of loyalty to sabotage us when we are competing against them for FAs. Besides the die hard Riley fans here and the Heat front office trying to spin this positively, most people view this as a lack of loyalty to Wade period. For those that want to list Dirk's and Wade's salaries year by year, all that and Dirk's still being paid 20 years later by his LOYAL front office. While ours was haggling with Wade in his 13th year but still expecting him to contribute the most next season (only for us to downplay his contributions to simply being part of an "ensemble cast" come contract time). Somehow we type with a straight face that Wade had to take a pay cut because we HAD to max Bosh and pay him more than 30 million than anyone else could? Somehow his peers who came in with the same salary structure have made more money hand over first than he has (including Bosh), yet we want to argue he hasn't sacrificed and it was all just circumstantial? Sad.

[Hallstar]

Lol. Now you know Wade would take $8M for a contender? Well he was offered more than that and he was "offended" and he didn't seem too concerned about trying to bring in KD or anyone else for that matter.

also his ability to carry a team suddenly diminished when Whiteside went down in the playoffs.

lol, you're a joke.