2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

somerandomdude · Post #661 » by **somerandomdude** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:25 pm

twix2500 wrote:
somerandomdude wrote:(Works in RGM trade checker)

CLE receives: Chris Paul
HOU receives: Westbrook
OKC receives: Tristian Thompson, JR Smith

If Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love, they might do it.

You must know something we don't. Because Cavs GM must be on crack to think that.

Actually, I do know something that you don't: how to read.

I said *IF* Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love

They *MIGHT* do it

Post #662 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:26 pm

Moving right along:

Pg: Winslow / Dragic / Nunn
Sg: Waiters / Herro
Sf: Butler / DJJ / Okpala
Pf: Olynyk / Johnson
Cc: Adebayo / Leonard

I like this team. I'd still look to trade Dragic as I think it's time to cash in on that contract if possible, but if not he'll make a solid mentor to Winslow and Nunn. I like the mix of youth and veteran leadership. I like the defense. The one concern I have is the offense. We're going to have to get creative in order to have any sort of offensive prowess. I think transition, speed, and athleticism and going to be crucial this year...

gom · Post #663 » by **gom** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:26 pm

somerandomdude wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
somerandomdude wrote:(Works in RGM trade checker)

CLE receives: Chris Paul
HOU receives: Westbrook
OKC receives: Tristian Thompson, JR Smith

If Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love, they might do it.

You must know something we don't. Because Cavs GM must be on crack to think that.

Actually, I do know something that you don't: how to read.

I said *IF* Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love

They *MIGHT* do it

We all could read your post. We just don't think anyone would seriously believe it.

Daffy · Post #664 » by **Daffy** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:27 pm

The Brodie dream seems to be failing.

gom · Post #665 » by **gom** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:27 pm

BBallFreak wrote:Moving right along:

Pg: Winslow / Dragic / Nunn
Sg: Waiters / Herro
Sf: Butler / DJJ / Okpala
Pf: Olynyk / Johnson
Cc: Adebayo / Leonard

I like this team. I'd still look to trade Dragic as I think it's time to cash in on that contract if possible, but if not he'll make a solid mentor to Winslow and Nunn. I like the mix of youth and veteran leadership. I like the defense. The one concern I have is the offense. We're going to have to get creative in order to have any sort of offensive prowess. I think transition, speed, and athleticism and going to be crucial this year...

Sign me up... only, we still need to trade Dragic so we can stay well under the apron. Dragic for Iggy. :-)

twix2500 · Post #666 » by **twix2500** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:28 pm

BBallFreak wrote:Hey, if we can find a way to get him without giving up two of the three guys, I'm all for it, but if it takes two of the three I'm cool walking away.

If they want 2, then Adams has to be involved for me to listen.

somerandomdude · Post #667 » by **somerandomdude** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:29 pm

gom wrote:
somerandomdude wrote:
twix2500 wrote:You must know something we don't. Because Cavs GM must be on crack to think that.

Actually, I do know something that you don't: how to read.

I said *IF* Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love

They *MIGHT* do it

We all could read your post. We just don't think anyone would seriously believe it.

Again, learn to read. I left plenty of qualifiers in there and you make it seem like this was a serious trade idea.

MiamiLoyal926 · Post #668 » by **MiamiLoyal926** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:29 pm

Daffy wrote:The Brodie dream seems to be failing.

I think it’s more like we have all drifted back to reality and are seeing this as a slick move by OKC and a deal bound to leave us on the losing end.

Post #669 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:30 pm

twix2500 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Hey, if we can find a way to get him without giving up two of the three guys, I'm all for it, but if it takes two of the three I'm cool walking away.

If they want 2, then Adams has to be involved for me to listen.

How does that even look, financially? That's tons of salary. Yes though, with his inclusion I'd be willing to include Bam I guess. I just don't feel like we can clean the cupboard, bare...

MiamiLoyal926 · Post #670 » by **MiamiLoyal926** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:31 pm

twix2500 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Hey, if we can find a way to get him without giving up two of the three guys, I'm all for it, but if it takes two of the three I'm cool walking away.

If they want 2, then Adams has to be involved for me to listen.

Adams is pricey right now. Love the guys hustle and rough nose play, but we’d need quality bargain players since we are hard pressed with the hard cap.

dean456 · Post #671 » by **dean456** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:33 pm

If Houston wants to take Westbrook and can somehow get a deal done then be my guest. If he's not coming here for cap relief and not coming East then I am more than fine with the team we have.

AirP. · Post #672 » by **AirP.** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:33 pm

greg4012 wrote:Which is exactly why I want to employ a lineup that allows for Winslow to maximize his minutes with each of the better players by essentially serving as the utility man playing 1, 2 and 3 in different lineups. The fact of the matter is Waiters and Herro are a lot more limited as strictly 2s. If Winslow eats up too many minutes at the 2, then utilizing floor spacing of Herro and Waiters will be limited some.

In the scenarios I'm proposing, Winslow may not start, but he should be in the top 4 in minutes played (and he should finish games).

This isn't hockey with full lineup switches. I promise you I'm not arguing that Waiters is a better player than Winslow. Don't get it twisted. I just see what makes sense for floor spacing with Westbrook and Butler considering Waiters and Herro are pretty much exclusively 2s.

Winslow seems to have more ways to complement the better players and his lineup numbers seem to indicate that. Dion is Dion, not a big fan of his.

On catch and shoot situations, Waiters shot 38% from 3pt range, solid, Winslow... 41.2%.
Winslow, defense, solid catch, and shoot %, not needing the ball as much as Dion and of course, wanting Winslow on the court more than Dion to indicate to me a much better option as a starter next to 2 ball dominant players.

Zasterror · Post #673 » by **Zasterror** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:35 pm

If it ain't meant to be, it ain't meant to be. Rather have this current roster than reach hard for a star.

MartyCONLONNN · Post #674 » by **MartyCONLONNN** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:35 pm

Daffy wrote:The Brodie dream seems to be failing.

it's for the best. It's exciting but if negotiations stalemate at 2 of the 3 core young guys you might as well go all in for Beal who is a better fit, younger and wants to be here. I believe the Heat and Thunder are very far apart and a team like Hou will be more desperate along with Westbrook being open to joining them. My biggest takeaway is that this new level of self control on display from Riley shows a transitional shift in the FO and how they value assets. Where we once would have sold the farm for Westbrook it now looks like we will pass in favor of potential + flexibility. It's refreshing.

twix2500 · Post #675 » by **twix2500** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:37 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Hey, if we can find a way to get him without giving up two of the three guys, I'm all for it, but if it takes two of the three I'm cool walking away.

If they want 2, then Adams has to be involved for me to listen.

How does that even look, financially? That's tons of salary. Yes though, with his inclusion I'd be willing to include Bam I guess. I just don't feel like we can clean the cupboard, bare...

Well Westbook - Butler - Winlow - Adams is pretty dam fornible. Will have to give Babbit a call :lol:

gom · Post #676 » by **gom** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:37 pm

somerandomdude wrote:Again, learn to read. I left plenty of qualifiers in there and you make it seem like this was a serious trade idea.

JLop · Post #677 » by **JLop** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:38 pm

If you have not noticed yet, Houston is always looking to make Miami spend more than we should. Houston can have Russell Westbrook. The Rockets are at a dead end with Chris Paul, but Oklahoma is willing to give his rivals a blood transfusion. Miami should not involve Justise Winslow or any of our young players in this transaction, the Heat will regret it.

Lilseb93 · Post #678 » by **Lilseb93** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:39 pm

As soon as Barry's report comes out, the tidbit about Houston leaks to Windy lol. I see you, Presti.

HIF · Post #679 » by **HIF** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:40 pm

somerandomdude wrote:(Works in RGM trade checker)

CLE receives: Chris Paul
HOU receives: Westbrook
OKC receives: Tristian Thompson, JR Smith

If Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love, they might do it.

Win what?

A few extra games?

Flash4thewin · Post #680 » by **Flash4thewin** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:42 pm

MartyCONLONNN wrote:
Daffy wrote:The Brodie dream seems to be failing.

it's for the best. It's exciting but if negotiations stalemate at 2 of the 3 core young guys you might as well go all in for Beal who is a better fit, younger and wants to be here. I believe the Heat and Thunder are very far apart and a team like Hou will be more desperate along with Westbrook being open to joining them. My biggest takeaway is that this new level of self control on display from Riley shows a transitional shift in the FO and how they value assets. Where we once would have sold the farm for Westbrook it now looks like we will pass in favor of potential + flexibility. It's refreshing.

unless our young players become allstar does this even make any sense?. They need to get paid soon, Bam will get the max seeing how other bigs are being paid.