Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread

LikeABosh · Post #681 » by **LikeABosh** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 9:10 pm

There will be at least one good player who will fall through the cracks.

The market is shrinking and guys like Speights, Hickson, AK47, Dally, Ellington, Kenyon are still out there

HeatDaChamps · Post #682 » by **HeatDaChamps** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 9:25 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Plus Kaman is a bad fit and over the hill.

With Dwight gone the Center market should pick up this week.

Oden + Dalembert = **** Awesome

Just Dalembert = ok, i won't be too upset.

Just Oden = Risky as hell, exciting yet scary.

No new Centers = not good at all. won't feel confident about our playoffs chances.

Obviously we need to secure the Bird first.

Dalembert is not happening, we arent gonna use our mmle on him, and he wont take the min. U might as well forget him. Only possible center we could get is oden. Thats it

RexBoyWonder · Post #683 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 9:26 pm

LikeABosh wrote:There will be at least one good player who will fall through the cracks.

The market is shrinking and guys like

Speights -decent option

Hickson - not a good fit, doesn't defend, no jumpshot, wants to get paid.

AK47 - well out of our price range

Dally - decent option

Ellington - don't have room for more shooters

Kenyon - If we passed on him last, no way we'll want him this year.

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LikeABosh · Post #684 » by **LikeABosh** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 9:39 pm

I honestly just want a post defender in case of emergencies....Camby would do

GreenHat · Post #685 » by **GreenHat** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:55 pm

Noodle Arm wrote:Wtf happened to this thread in the past 12 hours? Just when I was saying the official Heat board had stupid trade scenarios, THIS happens??

Also StrengthNHonor's hatred for Bosh has hit that special GameTime/Joel level of hate.

Nothing can reach the Gametime/Joel level. No matter what the topic is Gametime can weave it back towards Joel.

GreenHat · Post #686 » by **GreenHat** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:56 pm

nbhadja wrote:The bottomline is that because of our massive hole at center we nearly lost to Boston in the 2012 ECF, Indy in the 2013 ECF, and SA in the 2013 NBA finals. Riley knows that center is by far the most important position in bball which is why he is looking non stop for a center.

This team would be 1000 times better with just an average center. Trade Chalmers, Cole etc for a center.

You're not getting an average center for Chalmers, Cole.

GreenHat · Post #687 » by **GreenHat** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:06 pm

HIF wrote:
StrengthNHonor wrote:
Mars wrote:In what alternate universe do the two-time defending champions, with the best player in the game, need saving?

The one where Indy took us to 7 games, and so did the Spurs, and the Spurs were up 5 points with 28 seconds left with a 98.5% probability of winning the game. The one where if Kawhi Leonard makes both his FT's, the Spurs are the champions. The one where if either LBJ or Ray Allen miss a 3 , or if we don't get the offensive rebound twice, the Spurs are the defending champions.

I can't be the only one who feels we got lucky to win? We need changes.

And if LBJ doesn't play like a dog against Dallas or if Dirk doen't have the best shooting games of his life against us We are 3 peat champions in 3 years.

Choose your own fantasy scenario.

Fact is we've made 3 of 3 finals and won the last 2.

Dirk actually shot poorly for the series overall. They would have killed us otherwise.

Dirk's best shooting game against us in that series was 11/21. He's probably had well over a hundred games in his career where he shot better than that so not even close to the best shooting game of his life. Not even close to the best shooting game of that couple of weeks.

Not to mention we won that game anyway so it doesn't really effect the series, we still end up with only two wins regardless of whether Dirk has the "best shooting game of his life" or not.

GreenHat · Post #688 » by **GreenHat** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:12 pm

Mars wrote:
StrengthNHonor wrote:The one where Indy took us to 7 games, and so did the Spurs, and the Spurs were up 5 points with 28 seconds left with a 98.5% probability of winning the game. The one where if Kawhi Leonard makes both his FT's, the Spurs are the champions. The one where if either LBJ or Ray Allen miss a 3 , or if we don't get the offensive rebound twice, the Spurs are the defending champions.

I can't be the only one who feels we got lucky to win? We need changes.

Because the Heat were the first NBA champions to be taken to 7 games in a Conference Finals/NBA Finals, or get fortunate breaks, or just get out-and-out lucky?

Thing is Leonard did split those free throws, the Heat did get those offensive rebounds, LeBron and Ray did hit those three's, and the Spurs actually aren't the defending champs because the Heat seized their opportunities and capitalized on them.

Riley tinkered with the roster after they won last year. He'll tinker with the roster after winning this year. If you're expecting him to make some major and ridiculous trade like Bosh for Asik you're in for severe disappointment, but you already knew that.

We've faced five elimination games in our two title runs which is a lot for a repeat champion. Of course we went 5-0 in those last 5 games but that includes a much larger element of luck than a team with this much talent should require. Anyone can win one game which is why you want to avoid elimination games. Facing five in only two seasons is not a blueprint that should be followed in the future.

Of course Leonard split those free throws but our season shouldn't be relying on something we have no control over.

I'm definitely not advocating major changes in general or trading Bosh for Asik specifically but we have been very fortunate in these last two years in elimination games. We shouldn't be facing 2-3 per year and if we continue to it will end up biting us in the ass.

Post #689 » by **GameTime_3** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:19 pm

GreenHat wrote:
Noodle Arm wrote:Wtf happened to this thread in the past 12 hours? Just when I was saying the official Heat board had stupid trade scenarios, THIS happens??

Also StrengthNHonor's hatred for Bosh has hit that special GameTime/Joel level of hate.

Nothing can reach the Gametime/Joel level. No matter what the topic is Gametime can weave it back towards Joel.

Your missing the point about Joel. I don't hate him! I hate the fact that he hates the basketball!

Poor thing!

Joel the player
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1iHWmRduE[/youtube]
Joel the passer
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NriMhBHxg78[/youtube]
Joel's hands
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XayQsoU1wug[/youtube]
Joel's offensive threat
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PULjijXZHEM[/youtube]
Joel the dunker
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2akdYIFJ2A[/youtube]
Joel the fan favorite(This could be Tony F, the inventor of the "Doing the things that don't show up in the stat sheet"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWwSZdAkkkY[/youtube]
And YES...The positive! Joel trying to catch the ball in mid air!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWi2r5q3_BQ[/youtube]
And If another GM calls Riley, show them this...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL83-xPedDU[/youtube]

Post #690 » by **mopper8** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:28 pm

GreenHat wrote:We've faced five elimination games in our two title runs which is a lot for a repeat champion. Of course we went 5-0 in those last 5 games but that includes a much larger element of luck than a team with this much talent should require. Anyone can win one game which is why you want to avoid elimination games. Facing five in only two seasons is not a blueprint that should be followed in the future.

Of course Leonard split those free throws but our season shouldn't be relying on something we have no control over.

I'm definitely not advocating major changes in general or trading Bosh for Asik specifically but we have been very fortunate in these last two years in elimination games. We shouldn't be facing 2-3 per year and if we continue to it will end up biting us in the ass.

That's true as far as it goes, but at the same time, we've played the last two postseasons with one of the big 3 significantly limited and/or missing time with injury and still come out with 2 titles. 2 elimination games against Boston...in a series where Bosh only played in 2.5 games. 2 elimination games against SA and 1 against Ind...in a playoff when Wade severely limited by knee injuries.

It's true that injuries happen and we might wonder if Wade in particular will be ever be healthy through a full playoff run again. At the same time, it's hard to imagine the Bulls 3-peating with Scottie being as limited as Wade was, or the Lakers winning back-to-backs with Worthy missing as much time as Bosh did in the 12 postseason.

If you don't change a single thing about the team but get both of those guys playing at normal playoff level, you might not see any elimination games. It's not hard to imagine the Indy series, e.g., being a "close" 5-game series (ala Bulls in 11), rather than a 7-gamer, with Wade playing like he did in Jan/Feb/Mar. It's not hard to imagine Miami beating Boston in 6 in '12 if Bosh is there for the entire series. So, I mean, yeah, you don't want to constantly have your back against the wall in the playoffs, and yeah, you always want to be improving, but you also need some perspective.

Altered_Beast · Post #691 » by **Altered_Beast** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:42 pm

hickson is asked to do everything the pf/c position entails. obviously he cant do that so he comes off as a average player but if you ask him to do just a couple of things (rebound, catch the ball under the rim and dunk, something joel cant do) then you see him excel in that role much like birdman did.

i feel like that is something san antonio has done very well for the past 10 years +. IMO we should be trying to emulate that franchise. keep your core 3 players and surround them with players who have specific traits. hickson is an athletic bigman and good rebounder. we have sorely lacked in that department all 3 season of the big 3.

i want someone to name me the players on this squad youd rather have than hickson minus the big 3 and why

S Curry · Post #692 » by **S Curry** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:55 pm

^ But he can not do the most important thing we need, defend a true center a true 7 footer so why do we need him ? I prefer a healthy UD from the bench over JJ

Altered_Beast · Post #693 » by **Altered_Beast** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 12:21 am

S Curry wrote:^ But he can not do the most important thing we need, defend a true center a true 7 footer so why do we need him ? I prefer a healthy UD from the bench over JJ

the problem vs hibbert wasnt defending him. it was all those tip ins and offensive putbacks that killed us vs pacers.

hibbert played substantially over his averages vs us. he was a 11/8 guy shooting 48%. for a 7'2 center thats 2nd/3rd option thats pathetic.

getting a guy who could limit offensive rebounds is key. also someone who doesnt move like a golem on the perimiter (im not sure oden/dally/lopez fit that bill)

Mars · Post #694 » by **Mars** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 12:52 am

GreenHat wrote:We've faced five elimination games in our two title runs which is a lot for a repeat champion. Of course we went 5-0 in those last 5 games but that includes a much larger element of luck than a team with this much talent should require. Anyone can win one game which is why you want to avoid elimination games. Facing five in only two seasons is not a blueprint that should be followed in the future.

Of course Leonard split those free throws but our season shouldn't be relying on something we have no control over.

I'm definitely not advocating major changes in general or trading Bosh for Asik specifically but we have been very fortunate in these last two years in elimination games. We shouldn't be facing 2-3 per year and if we continue to it will end up biting us in the ass.

NBA Champions: "Facing Elimination"

• Bird's Celtics went 7-games against the Sixers in the 1980-81 ECF and in the Semis against the Knicks in 1983-84.

• Riley, Magic, and Kareem's Showtime squad faced elimination in 3 consecutive grueling 7-game series versus the Jazz, Mavericks, and Pistons when they repeated in 1987-88.

• The Bad Boys brawled for 7-games against the Bulls in the ECF when they repeated in 1989-90.

• Jordan and the Bulls battled for 7-games in their Semis against the Knicks in 1991-92.

• Hakeem's Rockets survived two 7-game series in 1993-94: Once against Barkley's Suns in the Semis, followed by Ewing's Knicks in the Finals. They then proceed to go 7-games in the Semis once again against Phoenix in 1994-95.

• Jordan and the Bulls scrapped for 7-games against the Pacers in the 1997-98 ECF.

• Phil, Shaq, and Kobe were taken to the brink in Game 7 of the WCF against the Blazers in 1999-00.

• Once again Shaq and Kobe fought off elimination, this time in 7-games against the Kings in the 2001-02 WCF.

• Pistons got pushed to 7-games by Kidd and the Nets in the 2003-04 Semis.

• It took 7-games for Popovich and Duncan to put away those same Pistons when they squared off in the 2004-05 Finals.

• Garnett, Pierce, and Allen flirted with elimination in Game 7's against the Hawks in the First Round and Semis versus the Cavs in 2007-08.

• Phil, Kobe, and Pau needed a 7th game to beat the Rockets in the Semis of 2008-09.

• The next year those same Lakers escaped in Game 7 to overcome the Celtics in the 2009-10 Finals.

• Your Miami Heat take out the Celtics in Game 7 of 2011-12 ECF.

• Which brings us to 2012-13, and present day, as the Heat faced elimination again: Once versus the Pacers in the ECF, followed by the Spurs in the Finals.

What history shows is champions facing elimination games isn't rare. The rarity is not having to deal with that type of adversity on the road to a title. I'd prefer to see them breeze through the playoffs as well, but tough postseason runs happen. Particularly over the last 15 years.

Makavalli · Post #695 » by **Makavalli** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:21 am

i know the whole world had its eyes on dwight but any news on Bird?im confident he's coming back but i want it in ink already

S Curry · Post #696 » by **S Curry** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 2:45 am

Altered_Beast wrote:
S Curry wrote:^ But he can not do the most important thing we need, defend a true center a true 7 footer so why do we need him ? I prefer a healthy UD from the bench over JJ

the problem vs hibbert wasnt defending him. it was all those tip ins and offensive putbacks that killed us vs pacers.

hibbert played substantially over his averages vs us. he was a 11/8 guy shooting 48%. for a 7'2 center thats 2nd/3rd option thats pathetic.

getting a guy who could limit offensive rebounds is key. also someone who doesnt move like a golem on the perimiter (im not sure oden/dally/lopez fit that bill)

I just don't think he solves our problem, we need a true center that moves CB to the 4, if JJ starts CB still will be the one that will defend the centers, as much that he is not good JJ will be worse, a lot worse, so CB will be the one that guards the centers and that's not ideal.

Zaza off the list:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/353702934460116993[/tweet]

What do you say on Jason Collins as the end of the bench guy, he will be active only in specific games against Hibbert, Howard, Bynum and such ?

Pure_Basketball · Post #697 » by **Pure_Basketball** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 2:52 am

When Zaza is getting contracts like 5 million you know that we aren't getting Dalembert unless he's really serious about wanting playing time and playing for a champion. Even Oden who I know is unproven for a few years surely is getting offers around 5 mil.

Pure_Basketball · Post #698 » by **Pure_Basketball** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 2:52 am

When Zaza is getting contracts like 5 million you know that we aren't getting Dalembert unless he's really serious about wanting playing time and playing for a champion. Even Oden who I know is unproven for a few years surely is getting offers around 5 mil.

FlashFlare · Post #699 » by **FlashFlare** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 2:52 am

Any news on Birdman yet?

Ratchet_Rio · Post #700 » by **Ratchet_Rio** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 3:45 am

S Curry wrote:
What do you say on Jason Collins as the end of the bench guy, he will be active only in specific games against Hibbert, Howard, Bynum and such ?

We need to sign a guy who can contribute on a nightly basis. If you wanna sign someone who's only going to be active in "specific" games you might as well go find out what Jamaal Magloire is doing and sign him.